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"Positionless Football"

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So this is a phrase I've heard come up a few times, I think exclusively in the context of the back 7-8 in the defense. Presumably this means a lot of CB/S hybrids, LB/S hybrids, CBs who are strong against the run, coverage backers, and ability to bring pressure from a wide variety of positions apart from the 2-3 interior linemen.

Mills and Bryant both fit as CB/S hybrids, and McCourty in a pinch, though not as much now as 7-8 years ago, for sure.
Dugger and Peppers both fit as LB/S hybrids, and you can maybe throw Phillips into that box as well.
The name of our new fast, coverage LB escapes me ATM, but he strikes me as a move in this direction as well.
We know Peppers and Bryant both have skills rushing the passer from DB spots.

Anyone know anything about this schematically? Is it primarily a matter of obscuring the QB's read for as long as possible (increasing the uncertainty around who will have what responsibility) or is there a greater schematic framework that I should know...

Patriots get Devante Parker (Merged)

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Just announced.

In exchange for late round draft compensation pick.

Jabril peppers signs a 1yr Deal with Pats

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High Celling IMO

Malcolm Butler Signed, Returning to Patriots for 2 Years

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Malcolm Butler back on the Patriots. 2 year deal. This is why you never burn bridges. We'll see what he can still do and how much athleticism is left. He might be an okay role player and he certainly knows the system.

Will always love Malcolm Butler for the most miraculous play in Superbowl history. The Patriots do not have a ring without his incredible INT at the goal line.

Apologies to the mods if this should be merged into the excellent off-season thread. Felt it warranted its own thread discussion.


Tyreek Hill traded to Miami Dolphins from Kansas City Chiefs

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Tyreek Hill has permission to seek trade.....

Trent Brown is back

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Just heard that the Patriots have signed Trent Brown to a 2 year contract.

Patriots Offensive Line Situation

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The Patriots had a good offensive line in the midpoint of the season. What should they do moving forward?

1. Wynn was below average / mediocre all year. What a crappy contract at 11M/yr. Wynn is either injured all the time, or playing but mediocre. Wynn played guard in college for 3 years, let's move this bust to guard. He's not a left tackle.

2. Onwenu has been a top10 NFL right tackle now for 2 years in a row, and was bad at left guard this past season. Watch them do the dumb thing and force-fit Onwenu back at guard, probably right guard to replace Mason. Nevermind RT is such a valuable spot and Onwenu was an elite RT for 2 years already.

3. Trent Brown has always been an injury-prone right tackle. Meanwhile Scarr in 2018 put Trent Brown at left tackle where he started all year and the Patriots won a championship (their last championship) with Trent Brown dominating at left tackle. Here's a revolutionary thought, how about signing and playing Trent...

Patriots sign CB Terrence Mitchell

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We have signed CB Terrence Mitchell from Houston.

Shaq mason traded to Bucs

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Only got a 5th back.

Winovich traded to Cleveland

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We get LB Mack Wilson in the trade.

Wilson is another Bama boy.

Slates also returning!

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Delighted. My favourite Patriot, maybe of all time.

One year deal. $2.62M guaranteed.

McCourty back

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Devin back for 1 year 9 million. Love it.

KVN gone!

Farewell JC Jackson! To the Bolts - $82.5M!

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Bleacher Report says he's hitting FA, we're not using the Franchise tag on him.

Targeting: WR

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We have the two general 2022 threads, but I thought we could have specific threads dedicated to specific team needs.

  • Which guys are signed for 2022, at what cap numbers?
  • Which Patriots 2021 players are FAs?
  • If they don't fill the spot well, how can they compensate with scheme or other alternatives?
  • Who are the interesting available free agents? Any potential cap casualties at the position that might add to the pool?
  • What do draft options look like?
  • Are there trade options available?

Starting with everyone's faaaaavorite topic, WR!

Signed for 2022:
Agholor @14.9
Bourne @6.4
Harry @3.2
Wilkerson @0.8
Nixon @0.7

Unsigned for 2022:
Slater, Meyers, and Ozl...Oshe...Olscz....Friggin' Gunnah! Not really counting Slater & Gunner.

So, we can probably all agree that we need to assume that as it stands we don't have a true #1 WR. Is it theoretically possible that Harry suddenly becomes the guy they thought he could be when they picked him...

What's your GM philosophy?

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Stemming from some of the discussion around the Rams all-out "win-now" moves of trading away so many high picks for a dominant collection of talent for a short window.

Let's assume pure talent evaluation (draft, FA, and pro player) is equalized across the league.
How do you attain sustainable success? Or do you not bother, and try to overload some years to maximize your chances for a short window? I thought of a few different aspects of this that might play into it:

How do you think about roster construction? Do you focus on buttressing weaknesses or building up overpowering strengths? Offense vs defense? Depth vs impact stars? Are there certain positions where you lean towards spending more of the cap, or where you tend towards drafting vs FA/trade? Rookies vs youth vs vets?

Do you prefer well-rounded players or specialists who are exceptional at one or two things? Does this differ by position?

How do you think about contracts? Distribution across the team, as well...

Pro Football HOF Class of 2022 and 2021 NFL Awards Thread - Seymour is in!

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Well done to our man, Richard Seymour! He makes it.



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TJ Watt won DPOY, Cooper Kupp won OPPY, Rodgers is MVP, Andrew Whitworth a deserved WPMOY, our own Slates gets the Art Rooney Sportsmanship of the Year award. Vrabel gets Coach of the Year.

Joe Judge back to the Patriots

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One key position filled. Though not ST, an Offensive Assistant.

If we get BOB back as well, we'll be smoking.


The Most Significant Superbowl Ever Played Was 20 Years Ago Today, February 3rd 2002

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As the Superbowl approaches I am reminded of the greatest game I've ever seen, Superbowl 36. The 14 point underdog Patriots vs the dominant St. Louis Rams.

I bought the game on DVD off eBay as soon as I could. It was an ethical and legal gray purchase as the games are copyrighted but I threw integrity to the wind and bought it from a cop no less. I ripped it to my computer hard drive and have watched it at least a hundred times, many of them while smoking some ganja at night in bed on my way to the land of Nod. A brilliant game to watch to usher in a wonderful sleep and world of beautiful dreams.

That game, that day, that night stand out as the single best moment of my life. The company was superior, just my incredible soulmate and absolute love of my life. The hateful and tragic world changing events of 9/11/2021 were still fresh in our memories from several months earlier.

To open the game NFL greats in turn read the greatest, the most important, humanity freeing, earth moving...

Flores suing the Giants - Dramatic revelations