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It's that time of year again so let's get this party started. Needs: CB1, OT, FS, WR1, DT and more.

Here's a good place to begin. Pats have the 14th pick and will have a chance to get a great player to fill 1 of those positions.

2023 NFL Draft Big Board: B/R NFL Scouting Dept.'s End-of-Season Top 150​

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The Patriots 2023 draft

1st Round pick (14th)
2nd Round pick
3rd Round pick
4th Round pick 3picks
6th Round pick 4 picks
7th Round pick

New England has some draft...

Lovie Smith is one & done in Houston

Well, it wasn't 1990 but it was still a season to dis-remember.

That said, I expect 2023, with nice mid-round draft picks and plenty of FA $$$, I expect changes in 2023 on a level to make the 2000-to-2001 offseason look like same old, same old.

New coordinators (Can Joe Judge go back to STs please)
More assistant/position coaches
New OTs (and an OG)
New TE to pair with Hunter Henry
P & PK
If not Jakobi Meyers, then WHO?
A pair of DTs who can tackle like the Jag's DTs handled Derrick Henry
Did I mention an ST coach who understands the concept of lane discipline?????

What have I left out?

*would be nice to focus on the future and not constant "Belichick sucks and here's all the things that didn't work out in the past."

You know, think "We're on to 2023.

Alaina GetzenbergESPN

CINCINNATI -- Bills safety Damar Hamlin collapsed on the field, was administered CPR and then was taken by ambulance to a local hospital, where he is in critical condition, according to the NFL, which postponed the game between Buffalo and the Cincinnati Bengals on Monday night.

In a chilling scene that grounded to a halt the showdown between two of the NFL's best teams, CPR was administered to Hamlin on the field for multiple minutes after he collapsed following a play in the first quarter. He received oxygen, according to the ESPN broadcast, as he was placed in the ambulance and taken off the field some 16 minutes after he collapsed and driven to University of Cincinnati Medical Center.

"Hamlin received immediate medical attention on the field by...

There’s still an outside shot the Pats make the playoffs and I hope it happens, but in either case this team has areas of personnel improvement, not to mention on the coaching staff.

Which areas warrant an upgrade in the off-season via FA or Draft?

A couple thoughts:

• OLine was a disaster both in talent and coaching. Need to fix this first because there is no passing game without pass protection.
• I personally think the defense still needs to fix MLB and NT for a more solid run defense. Also needs to get a stud FS to replace DMcCourty in the pass-happy NFL.
• I know people want to keep chasing WRs but we saw how it was a waste of a trade and draft pick with Parker and Thornton. This team already has too many underused pass-catchers in Agholor, Parker, Thornton, Meyers, Bourne, Henry, Jonnu Smith, and Mondre/Harris. I hate the risky, inefficient vertical offense, and would rather the Pats spread the ball around to 8 receivers a game via quick passes, high...

This should be really good!


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This is not a game thread.
I know very little about the Colts. I haven't seen them play at all. During the preseason there were some that picked them to win the South and be a contender for the AFC.
They did get Matt Ryan but that seems to not be working out. Taylor is supposed to be a beast of a running back and they were supposed to have one of the best OL in the NFL.
So, what has gone on with them. They lost to the Jags and tied the Texans, but beat the Chiefs.
Anyone know anything about the Colts?

Worth a separate thread. They posted this already. First up, Slater who has played the 2nd most games all time for the Patriots. And then Kraft on Bill.


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After a terrible Miami game around 2002, we lost 30-0 or something like that where it was never that close, Belichick actually buried a game ball and moved the players on.

Time for us to move on, as well.

Patriots at Jets, CBS, 1:00. Can't Wait.

...6 stops!!!

Unbelevable D. First and only team in league history.to do this.

Fire Belichick.

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Through 4 games:
Most Points Scored: Detroit Lions (140)
Most Points Allowed: Detroit Lions (141)
They are on pace to be the 5th highest scoring offense in NFL history and they’re 1-3

This should be a fun "get right" game for the offense. The Patriots open up as a -2.5 favorite at home vs the Detroit Lions on Sunday.

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Harbaugh brings his team with a suspect defense and a dangerous, but predictable offense. In order for Pats to have the best chance the offense needs to take full advantage of the suspect defense. Defensively it will have to be of containing Lamar and pushing him to be a pocket passer. We all know he is elite running the ball and being able to have the threat to run, but he is about average as a pure passer.


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I think the big (not so big anymore!) man deserves it. One of the best NTs to ever play the game.


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So, watching football growing up there was always a lot of talk about your top-end DTs splitting double teams. It's impressive.

I've noticed we don't see it much anymore (and least on most teams) and I finally figured out why. If this is all old news, I apologize - I was mostly totally away from digging through film and X's and O's for a long stretch, and have only started to get back to it recently.

Anyway, what I've noticed is that somewhere along the way - and let me be totally clear, it may have been before I took my decade-or-so-break and I just never noticed - the prevailing wisdom of coaching DL shifted. Someone looked at the probability of splitting (or otherwise beating) a passpro double team and realized it was sucky. Then realized that there was a prospective benefit that was lost by trying to beat the double team that outweighed the low probability of QB pressure that came with success.

Look, any decent coach has always taught DL to get their hands up to make...

It can be hard to see what's going on behind what we see. I thought this was one of those rare examples of "pop -NFL analysis" that really brought something useful to the table.

Phil Perry comes to Matt Cassell with questions about two particular plays from the Raiders game in terms of what's going on with play selection and ability to audible at the line:


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1. Warren Sharp is a NFL expert who writes a 500+ page NFL betting preview book every season.

2. John Carroll college roommates Dave Ziegler and Josh McDaniels (and before that their other college roommate Nick Caserio) preceded their departures with 8-years of draft class turds but also left the gift of a massive exploding Patriot salary cap bomb that hit this season. Good riddance to the 3 idiot college roommates. These 3 stooges rode TB12’s coattails for a long time, and then left before getting too obviously exposed.

Warren Sharp explains the Patriot salary cap bomb eloquently:

“Hunter Henry went from a $6.8 million cap hit in 2021 to $15 million this year.

Jonnu Smith went from a $5.6 million cap hit in 2021 to $13.7 million this year.

Matt Judon went from a $6.3 million cap hit in 2021 to $16.5 million this year.

Nelson Agholor went from a $6.9 million cap hit in 2021 to...

Some interesting players on this list:











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Patriots releases/departures/etc.​

So far...
TE Devin Asiasi: Waived | Player profile
CB Terrance Mitchell: Released | Player profile
LB Harvey Langi: Released |...

So...Hill, Waddle, and Gesicki should make life interesting. Both Hill & Waddle are just 5'10", so that helps out CB matchups, since height is our biggest weakness. I wonder what Miami will do with formation to get both on the field with a TE, since both are historically best out of the slot.

MJ should see the field a lot, and JJ should be there for the majority of snaps. Phillips, Dugger should be able to account for Gesicki. Mills has been excellent, but is kind of a style mismatch vs these WRs. He'll start and play plenty, of course, but might see fewer snaps than will typically be the case. Maybe?

If we're looking at rolling out 3 & 4 safety looks, as has been discussed, I'd expect to see them vs this offense. Phillips, Duggar, and Peppers allow you to gain coverage ability without sacrificing too much toughness or beef.

Normally I'd say run a lot of stuff to fluster Tua, but with all the youth and inexperience in our LBs and DBs, and how much those elements of...