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Dolphin22 said:
1- Shula because his 350 Wins and as multiple Championships SB and his respect...BB* is also a great coach & 1 of my favorites despite the fact he felt a need to cheat to win for 7 years

2- Troy Brown & Branch are undoubtably just as good as Both Duper & Clayton ... and so was Branch...as far as Givins & Patten and #2 WR's they were as good as any teams #2's

3- it doesn't matter the yds...its the RB threat that puts 8 men in the box to help the pass game ...that never happened in Miami's offense...they were defending the pass


4- Not once i said Marino is not to blame...I have admitted many times he played poorly in some playoff games but the defenses beat him...and they come after Marino's pass game like no other QB in history...thats a fact...

5- I have no idea what your point is...but every season its a new team with new key players 7 coaches etc...
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My point is that you're all over the place.. you say the Pats won SBs as a team, because you won't give Tom Brady credit, but you'll give all the credit in the world to Dan Marino for breaking records as if he did it all by himself.. You say dumb things like "defenses beat him" as if other teams don't face defenses... you'd think in 18 seasons a team could scheme around the "they come after Marino" thing...

You just need to admit that you're a hater and there's really no logic to anything you say, just flaming bitter rants to help justify a dumb 10 year old from Rhode Island choosing Miami as his favorite team so he could be on the bandwagon of a champion, only to watch Dan Marino squash his hopes every season for two decades while the Pats rose to glory. You should have gone with the home town team dumbass...

Bob Kraft and cheat rant in 3...2...1......
 
Dawsonstouchbac said:
Not anymore. Since Mangini has come to town, he has cleaned house. He is the most honest hardworking coach in the league. Cheaters like the Pats are scared of him.
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I think you've finally caught that staph infection. It's eaten the last two cells of your brain.
 
Dawsonstouchbac said:
Not anymore. Since Mangini has come to town, he has cleaned house. He is the most honest hardworking coach in the league. Cheaters like the Pats are scared of him.
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He taught the Pats how to cheat, it's his speciality... since Mangina has come to town, you better hide the donuts.
 
Dawsonstouchbac said:
Not anymore. Since Mangini has come to town, he has cleaned house. He is the most honest hardworking coach in the league. Cheaters like the Pats are scared of him.
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You know it was to Mangini where the tapes eventually went to, right?
 
TommyD420 said:
Wow. I think you beat Lee today for the "mind-numbingly retarded" award.
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Also funny how I said Brown and Patten and he turned it into Brown and Branch... 2001 it was Brown and Patten, no Branch or Givens..

David Patten: 26 regular season tds.. 4715 yds receiving.. 0x probowls.. 12 seasons
Troy Brown: 35 regular season tds.. 6366 yds receiving.. 1x probowl.. 15 seasons

Mark Duper: 59 regular season tds.. 8869 yds receiving.. 3x probowls.. 11 seasons
Mark Clayton: 85 regular season tds.. 8974 yds recieving.. 5x probowls.. 11 seasons

Yea, they're the same exact guys.. :rolleyes:

So dumbdumb is saying that if Brown and Patten played for Marino, they'd have scored 83 more TDs, 6762 more yards and gone to 7 more probowls, and that's not counting that the Marks bros played five fewer seasons. So lets just make it 100 TDs, 10,000 yards and 10 probowls since we're playing the dumbdumb extrapolation game. Oh, and they'd have 0 rings to go with all those numbers since they'd have been playing for the chokingest QB in the history of the universe.
 
PatsRUs said:
1-you say the Pats won SBs as a team, because you won't give Tom Brady credit,

2- you'll give all the credit in the world to Dan Marino for breaking records as if he did it all by himself.. You say dumb things like "defenses beat him" as if other teams don't face defenses... you'd think in 18 seasons a team could scheme around the "they come after Marino" thing...

3- just need to admit that you're a hater and there's really no logic to anything you say, just flaming bitter rants to help justify a dumb 10 year old from Rhode Island choosing Miami as his favorite team so he could be on the bandwagon of a champion, only to watch Dan Marino squash his hopes every season for two decades while the Pats rose to glory. You should have gone with the home town team dumbass...

Bob Kraft and cheat rant in 3...2...1......
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1- Every team wins games as a team...and loses as a team...if your going to credit Tom Brady for 3 SB wins are you going to credit him for the loss's in 2002-05'-06' -07' ... I point out the Den - 2 SD gms Colts & NYG SB Brady blew because he did....he had a great stake in those losses, but they were still not all his fault...its a team sport

2- Dan marino I hate to say is truly in a class of his own when it comes to this argument...and many credible people in a debate would agree with me...in a team sport Marino was the guy to stop in order to beat the dolphins...and there aren't that many QB's in hidtory you can say that about...

the fact is ...if you stopped Marino your chances of winning increased 75% or more percent...If you stopped Montanna, your chances of winning increased maybe 20%...this is just my oppinion and there is no exact % scale...my reasoning is this:

If you stop Marino you stopped your opponant from scoring & took out the #1 weapon and the chances of even a poor offense easily scored against Dolphins defenses increasing your chanses drastically on both sides of the ball...

If you stopped Montanna, good luck with stopping Roger Craig or Ricky Waters ....OH and lets not forget Tom Rathman and I don't care if you were the best defense in the NFL ...well we saw how the NFL #1 scoring offence in History could only put 14 points on the board against the Giants...imagine Bill Romanowski & Charles Haley and Ronnie Lott just to name a few...

Dan Marino has won more games than every QB in history in the least amount of gms played...Favre has a few more wins but played 32 more gms...and Marino has beat the best defenses consistantly in 16 yrs with an average 9.8 wins a seasons NFL high

3- PatRus...I think the Pats are good team and without question improved in every part of the game from the office to the field the past 15 yrs...and are definately competitve and deserve maybe the 2004 ring...but the rest...is all crapola...superhype & bullshit...and what this team as a whole has done the sport makes me sick...and Kraft is completely responsible and he is calling all the shots...but thats another story you all heard more than once from me...
 
PatsRUs said:
Also funny how I said Brown and Patten and he turned it into Brown and Branch... 2001 it was Brown and Patten, no Branch or Givens..

David Patten: 26 regular season tds.. 4715 yds receiving.. 0x probowls.. 12 seasons
Troy Brown: 35 regular season tds.. 6366 yds receiving.. 1x probowl.. 15 seasons

Mark Duper: 59 regular season tds.. 8869 yds receiving.. 3x probowls.. 11 seasons
Mark Clayton: 85 regular season tds.. 8974 yds recieving.. 5x probowls.. 11 seasons

Yea, they're the same exact guys.. :rolleyes:

So dumbdumb is saying that if Brown and Patten played for Marino, they'd have scored 83 more TDs, 6762 more yards and gone to 7 more probowls, and that's not counting that the Marks bros played five fewer seasons. So lets just make it 100 TDs, 10,000 yards and 10 probowls since we're playing the dumbdumb extrapolation game. Oh, and they'd have 0 rings to go with all those numbers since they'd have been playing for the chokingest QB in the history of the universe.
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absolutely...Troy Brown is without question as good as both Mark Bros...stick to the story...look at the numbers that have meaning not the ones that mislead the debate...Games started...Brown played half as many and is equal in Rec & Yds

70 GS - 557 rec - 6,366 yds - 11.4 ypr - 31 tds - Troy Brown
136 GS - 511 rec - 8,868 yds - 17.4 ypr - 59 td - Mark Duper
142 GS - 582 rec - 8,974 yds - 15.4 ypr - 84 tds - Mark Clayton

the only reason the Patriots have any superbowl rings is because of referee favortism cheating and Bob Kraft ...so enough of the ring stuff !!! I guarentee you take thise 3 things away and nobodies still noticing the Patriots or anyone on that team...
 
Dolphin22 said:
1- Every team wins games as a team...and loses as a team...if your going to credit Tom Brady for 3 SB wins are you going to credit him for the loss's in 2002-05'-06' -07' ... I point out the Den - 2 SD gms Colts & NYG SB Brady blew because he did....he had a great stake in those losses, but they were still not all his fault...its a team sport

2- Dan marino I hate to say is truly in a class of his own when it comes to this argument...and many credible people in a debate would agree with me...in a team sport Marino was the guy to stop in order to beat the dolphins...and there aren't that many QB's in hidtory you can say that about...

the fact is ...if you stopped Marino your chances of winning increased 75% or more percent...If you stopped Montanna, your chances of winning increased maybe 20%...this is just my oppinion and there is no exact % scale...my reasoning is this:

If you stop Marino you stopped your opponant from scoring & took out the #1 weapon and the chances of even a poor offense easily scored against Dolphins defenses increasing your chanses drastically on both sides of the ball...

If you stopped Montanna, good luck with stopping Roger Craig or Ricky Waters ....OH and lets not forget Tom Rathman and I don't care if you were the best defense in the NFL ...well we saw how the NFL #1 scoring offence in History could only put 14 points on the board against the Giants...imagine Bill Romanowski & Charles Haley and Ronnie Lott just to name a few...

Dan Marino has won more games than every QB in history in the least amount of gms played...Favre has a few more wins but played 32 more gms...and Marino has beat the best defenses consistantly in 16 yrs with an average 9.8 wins a seasons NFL high

3- PatRus...I think the Pats are good team and without question improved in every part of the game from the office to the field the past 15 yrs...and are definately competitve and deserve maybe the 2004 ring...but the rest...is all crapola...superhype & bullshit...and what this team as a whole has done the sport makes me sick...and Kraft is completely responsible and he is calling all the shots...but thats another story you all heard more than once from me...
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So let me see if I got this straight..

The reason Tom Brady didn't get any passing records in his first six seasons is because he didn't have a good enough team. If he had Moss sooner he would have broke Marinos records before Manning did instead of breaking Mannings record and probably won a SB in 2002 to go along with the others.

The QB is just as important as the rest of the team, no more or less important.

The Dolphins were too stupid to take advantage of knowing exactly how the other team was going to defend them.

Joe Montana was only good because he had great running backs.

Marino won more games than any other QB in history by playing at a high level, and in the playoffs he became pedestrian.
 
Dolphin22 said:
absolutely...Troy Brown is without question as good as both Mark Bros...stick to the story...look at the numbers that have meaning not the ones that mislead the debate...Games started...Brown played half as many and is equal in Rec & Yds

70 GS - 557 rec - 6,366 yds - 11.4 ypr - 31 tds - Troy Brown
136 GS - 511 rec - 8,868 yds - 17.4 ypr - 59 td - Mark Duper
142 GS - 582 rec - 8,974 yds - 15.4 ypr - 84 tds - Mark Clayton

the only reason the Patriots have any superbowl rings is because of referee favortism cheating and Bob Kraft ...so enough of the ring stuff !!! I guarentee you take thise 3 things away and nobodies still noticing the Patriots or anyone on that team...
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You're not the only one who can cherry pick stats, it's not that difficult.

So he started fewer games, and if I add up all the yards he got in those 0 start games (I'll throw in the season where he started 1) he had 1404.. so it's not as if he didn't play because he didn't start... (duh) He also had seasons where he started 3, 6, 9 and 10.. So it's the most important stat to you because it helps make your argument. That's not the reality. In fact he never started all 16 games, you'd think if he was as good as Duper or Clayton they'd have started him more..

But you're right, Brown is just as good.. so Brady had one great WR.. for that SB, so using your theories, all the other teams needed to do was shut him down and make Antoine Smith beat them.

If you took away the 1972 fraud Dolphins* championship, we wouldn't have to hear from the crack head mercury morris each year...

Back to your cheating kraft rant... in 3...2...1......
 
Fvck you you crybaby basted, try to insult and put down all Pats fans and when someone gives you back shit you cry to have them Banned you fvcking loser .
 
Dawsonstouchbac said:
Not anymore. Since Mangini has come to town, he has cleaned house. He is the most honest hardworking coach in the league. Cheaters like the Pats are scared of him.
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You are going to die alone. You know that, don't you?
 
PatsRUs said:
So let me see if I got this straight..

The reason Tom Brady didn't get any passing records in his first six seasons is because he didn't have a good enough team. If he had Moss sooner he would have broke Marinos records before Manning did instead of breaking Mannings record and probably won a SB in 2002 to go along with the others.

The QB is just as important as the rest of the team, no more or less important.

The Dolphins were too stupid to take advantage of knowing exactly how the other team was going to defend them.

Joe Montana was only good because he had great running backs.

Marino won more games than any other QB in history by playing at a high level, and in the playoffs he became pedestrian.
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Actually d22 is not allowed to say brady had no records in his first 6 years because we proved him wrong on that. He can do his other lies though if he wants.
 
Dolphin22 said:
absolutely...Troy Brown is without question as good as both Mark Bros...stick to the story...look at the numbers that have meaning not the ones that mislead the debate...Games started...Brown played half as many and is equal in Rec & Yds

70 GS - 557 rec - 6,366 yds - 11.4 ypr - 31 tds - Troy Brown
136 GS - 511 rec - 8,868 yds - 17.4 ypr - 59 td - Mark Duper
142 GS - 582 rec - 8,974 yds - 15.4 ypr - 84 tds - Mark Clayton

the only reason the Patriots have any superbowl rings is because of referee favortism cheating and Bob Kraft ...so enough of the ring stuff !!! I guarentee you take thise 3 things away and nobodies still noticing the Patriots or anyone on that team...
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I love this troll call, take away bradys superbowls and records and what have you got....marino. ROFL
 
midgar8784 said:
I love this troll call, take away bradys superbowls and records and what have you got....marino. ROFL
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what you have is a "Dink & Dunker"...notice Brown Played 70 less games & Had just as many reception but 2,500 less yards with a 11.4 YPC average to Marino throwing the ball downfield like the big boy NFL QB's to the Mark Bros averaging 15.4 & 17.4 YPC


more concrete undisputable proof Brady is a fraud & a "Dink & Dunker'
 
Dolphin22 said:
absolutely...Troy Brown is without question as good as both Mark Bros...stick to the story...look at the numbers that have meaning not the ones that mislead the debate...Games started...Brown played half as many and is equal in Rec & Yds

70 GS - 557 rec - 6,366 yds - 11.4 ypr - 31 tds - Troy Brown
136 GS - 511 rec - 8,868 yds - 17.4 ypr - 59 td - Mark Duper
142 GS - 582 rec - 8,974 yds - 15.4 ypr - 84 tds - Mark Clayton

the only reason the Patriots have any superbowl rings is because of referee favortism cheating and Bob Kraft ...so enough of the ring stuff !!! I guarentee you take thise 3 things away and nobodies still noticing the Patriots or anyone on that team...
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Try the "GP" stat, Lee. Troy Brown was a slot receiver for a good majority of his career. He didn't "start".
 
Dolphin22 said:
what you have is a "Dink & Dunker"...notice Brown Played 70 less games & Had just as many reception but 2,500 less yards with a 11.4 YPC average to Marino throwing the ball downfield like the big boy NFL QB's to the Mark Bros averaging 15.4 & 17.4 YPC


more concrete undisputable proof Brady is a fraud & a "Dink & Dunker'
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Started, Lee. Started.

192 Games Played. 70 Games Started. Enough already. Clayton and Duper were Pro Bowlers and Starters on the best offense in football. Troy Brown can only be considered a top WR in the league from 2000-2002.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowTr00.htm

:coffee:
 
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