Pats FA thread

LMAO. Jim Plunkett, the guy who took the worse beating of any Patriots QB that I can remember. He was considered to be shell shocked and wash up.
As much as I hated the Raiders back then I was very happy for Jim winning 2 rings.
 
To me if BB really wants JG, then it doesn't matter what pick.he trades for him except #15. I'd rather see the Patriots draft Jones or Lance, even if it means trading up.
But if they can't trade up, I'd rather see them trade down, then use a 2nd or 3rd for JG.
If SF insists on a first round pick for JG, then they can go pound sand.
His work since we traded him does not warrant a 1st rounder. If it did SF would not move up to take a QB, they would stick with him.
Agree and I said exactly this in my post above but I mixed in more words and made it less clear than you did.
 
I don’t think I’ve seen Jimmy play in a cold bad weather game, and I’m not sure he’s the QB I’d want in one. I guess though they beat Green Bay on the way to the super bowl, but I can’t remember where that one was played.
Saying that collectively this group of free agent signings is average is not being a troll by the way.
NFCCG was in San Fran. He did play college ball at Eastern Illinois so I don't think cold weather is an issue for him but playing in the NFC West he has not had a ton of cold weather games as a pro.

In terms of the FAs, I think we got some nice pick ups at TE and I like Judon. The rest of the lot are mid-tier JAGS which the chance to either shine in our system or be a bust. The biggest issue coming to NE for FAs over the years has been the complexity of our system on both sides of the ball and of course the culture. If we hit on half the guys we picked up, meaning they are solid contributors not super stars than I think we will have done as well as can be expected. The key is the draft. How many solid players can Bill get this year to help reset the team. Last year's draft was pretty good so we need to build on that and of course find the QB.
 
Here is Peter King's thoughts from his column today:

11. JIMMY GAROPPOLO. The 49ers maintain privately they’ll keep Garoppolo, and for 2021, I believe them. This trade for the third pick in the draft is meant to enrich the quarterback position more than it is to dump Garoppolo. In fact, I’ll be very surprised if they move the oft-injured incumbent, because how can you count on a rookie to play at a high level five months after the draft? You can’t.

The Niners know they struck gold in 2019 in getting to the Super Bowl, and the pieces are in place for another run—if they stay healthy—in 2021. But in the three non-super Bowl seasons since the Lynch/Shanahan tenure began, the team is 6-10, 4-12 and 6-10. Not good enough. And a trade of Garoppolo would leave them too thin, again, at quarterback.

One more thing: I’m not very bullish on the Patriots making a move for Garoppolo this year. At all. When Bill Belichick worked under Bill Parcells with the Giants, I know he had to hear Parcells harp on availability being more important than ability, and I just can’t see Belichick making a big investment (in a pick and in a contract) in a guy who’s missed 23 games in the last three years due to injury. Plus, if New England gets a quarterback, somehow, high in this draft, they’d have salary-manageability and a young prospect, and the yearning for Garoppolo goes away. If the Patriots don’t get a quarterback this year, I could see them pursue Garoppolo on the cheap in 2022. We’ll see.
 
Maybe not a "troll". I'm sure I could come up with a kinder, gentler description of somebody that could, for instance, look at adding 191 catches and 22 TDs and several excellent perimeter blockers (a big 2020 weakness) to the receiving corps as "average".

How 'bout a Miserable Contrarian?

I could agree with somebody who said we could've done a little better than Agholor and Bourne for the money, but both make us better. However, how anybody could look at Henry and Jonnu as "average" just makes me shake my head in amazement. I didn't even bother throwing in 3 more names that are all-pro quality.

It might be one of the top FA hauls in the last 20 years. What the fuck do people unhappy with that want?
What they want is total failure and a final collapse of the Belichick NE regime.
 
Here is Peter King's thoughts from his column today:

11. JIMMY GAROPPOLO. The 49ers maintain privately they’ll keep Garoppolo, and for 2021, I believe them. This trade for the third pick in the draft is meant to enrich the quarterback position more than it is to dump Garoppolo. In fact, I’ll be very surprised if they move the oft-injured incumbent, because how can you count on a rookie to play at a high level five months after the draft? You can’t.

The Niners know they struck gold in 2019 in getting to the Super Bowl, and the pieces are in place for another run—if they stay healthy—in 2021. But in the three non-super Bowl seasons since the Lynch/Shanahan tenure began, the team is 6-10, 4-12 and 6-10. Not good enough. And a trade of Garoppolo would leave them too thin, again, at quarterback.

One more thing: I’m not very bullish on the Patriots making a move for Garoppolo this year. At all. When Bill Belichick worked under Bill Parcells with the Giants, I know he had to hear Parcells harp on availability being more important than ability, and I just can’t see Belichick making a big investment (in a pick and in a contract) in a guy who’s missed 23 games in the last three years due to injury. Plus, if New England gets a quarterback, somehow, high in this draft, they’d have salary-manageability and a young prospect, and the yearning for Garoppolo goes away. If the Patriots don’t get a quarterback this year, I could see them pursue Garoppolo on the cheap in 2022. We’ll see.
Now I am really mad. I am agreeing with King.
 
Also from King. This is very interesting. It does seem like they are very torn about moving on from Jimmy especially this year. If they do keep him, how long does he start before the chorus of fans/media want the #3 pick to start?

3. I think I empathize with Kyle Shanahan on his angst regarding Jimmy Garoppolo. Listen to Shanahan’s explanation of said angst, and how he and John Lynch got to the point of deciding to deal up for the third pick in the draft:

“You’ve got a guy [Garoppolo] who’s really only played one year and in one year of football, when you look at the numbers he had, how efficient he was and how close we got to winning the Super Bowl, he’s got a lot of untapped potential also. So that’s a hard thing for us, too. It’s not like, we’re not giving up on Jimmy because he can’t play or anything. Jimmy can play. He’s only gotten to do it one year. We also like the person, too. We also know we can’t go through a year of what’s happened two out of the last three years. So, that’s something we had to protect the organization with, and there’s lots of ways to go into that, but it wasn’t just a slam-dunk decision on this guy can play, this guy can’t play. You’ve got a lot of options and you’re in a lot of different spots to acquire those and how does it all balance out? Trust me, I mean, my wife, when she listens to my phone calls with John when we’re trying to be on vacation, she thinks we’re having the same conversation eight times a day and we kind of are because we’re just circling through all this stuff. The first time I woke up with a little bit more clarity is when we made this trade, because it’s still not done like exactly where we’re going and stuff, but it was like, ‘All right, now it’s much more clear.’ There’s not as many dots to connect.”
 
I’m not knocking these free agents, and not much more could have been done to improve the team with what was available. I’m just saying it’s the bare minimum to keep next season around 8 wins. Last year the team outperformed the talent on the roster. You’d read this thread and think the is team ready to win the super bowl off these free agents.
And yes I’d call the tight ends average players who probably got their best offers from NE. If that makes me an angry contrarian then so be it.
 
I’m not knocking these free agents, and not much more could have been done to improve the team with what was available. I’m just saying it’s the bare minimum to keep next season around 8 wins. Last year the team outperformed the talent on the roster. You’d read this thread and think the is team ready to win the super bowl off these free agents.
And yes I’d call the tight ends average players who probably got their best offers from NE. If that makes me an angry contrarian then so be it.
The TEs would not be average with a better QB than Cam. I really like Agholor too, more than most but again we need a better QB.

I was just thinking, did anyone sign Byrd yet? I really liked him last year and he did click with Cam.
 
The TEs would not be average with a better QB than Cam. I really like Agholor too, more than most but again we need a better QB.

I was just thinking, did anyone sign Byrd yet? I really liked him last year and he did click with Cam.

He's still an UFA.
 
I’m not knocking these free agents, and not much more could have been done to improve the team with what was available. I’m just saying it’s the bare minimum to keep next season around 8 wins. Last year the team outperformed the talent on the roster. You’d read this thread and think the is team ready to win the super bowl off these free agents.
And yes I’d call the tight ends average players who probably got their best offers from NE. If that makes me an angry contrarian then so be it.


It was "miserable" contrarian, but you're starting to catch on. (y)

I think I should explain how I define a contrarian. I see that as the sort of person who is bound and determined to go the opposite way from the herd even when confronted with hard evidence that they are not even close to being correct. We went from the worst TE group in the league for two years running to near the top in two days without giving up anything but Kraft's money.

If you don't agree with this (which is likely) then I'll challenge you to name a better duo in the NFL. I'll point out in advance that Jonnu, in particular, is a young guy that is just coming into his own and should continue to improve. Both are considered good blockers, too, which should be factored in, since most TEs can't both block and catch, but I'd settle for passing stats only.

You might find one or two duos that are statistically better, but the exercise will do you good. It'll prove that we got way, wayyyyy better.

So extreme is your negativity that you wrote that somewhere in this thread somebody said we could "win the super bowl off these free agents" . I don't recall anybody saying that anywhere in this thread or forum in any way, so drop in a quote and prove me wrong if you like. You really need to either lighten up a bit and stop listening to Felger or find something better to complain about.
 
In this 3 min clip from Pat's early throwing sessions, Cam shows he's already throwing off his lead foot. That's a big change from last year when he had to rear back to heave the ball.

 
I’m not knocking these free agents, and not much more could have been done to improve the team with what was available. I’m just saying it’s the bare minimum to keep next season around 8 wins. Last year the team outperformed the talent on the roster. You’d read this thread and think the is team ready to win the super bowl off these free agents.
And yes I’d call the tight ends average players who probably got their best offers from NE. If that makes me an angry contrarian then so be it.

All of your posts point to the fact that you want BB and this team to fail. You are the very essence of an angry contrarian.


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I’m not knocking these free agents, and not much more could have been done to improve the team with what was available. I’m just saying it’s the bare minimum to keep next season around 8 wins. Last year the team outperformed the talent on the roster. You’d read this thread and think the is team ready to win the super bowl off these free agents.
And yes I’d call the tight ends average players who probably got their best offers from NE. If that makes me an angry contrarian then so be it.
Bingo! and the reason for that, ahem BB, is still here. He is the best there ever was and probably ever will be.
 
Is belichick goes out and gets JG, He's doing it with more information than he'd have going after any free agent. He's watched him play. He's coached him. He's taught him his system.

If he's going to spend a draft pick (or more) to go out and get him, it would be silly of me to argue that it's a bad move. He's better at this than I am, and I've reason to trust him. As hawg said, I could talk myself into being happy about it.

That said, I don't see it. He was injury prone when he was here and since he's left. His stats were worse than cams last year, and haven't been world beaters at any time except arguably for the game and a half he played here. He pretty much dilfered his way to a super bowl, and certainly didn't do much to win it. I don't think our chances of winning a super bowl would be better with garoppolo than with Cam, so I have a hard time getting behind spending the kind of pics and money it would take to bring him in.
 
Is belichick goes out and gets JG, He's doing it with more information than he'd have going after any free agent. He's watched him play. He's coached him. He's taught him his system.

If he's going to spend a draft pick (or more) to go out and get him, it would be silly of me to argue that it's a bad move. He's better at this than I am, and I've reason to trust him. As hawg said, I could talk myself into being happy about it.

That said, I don't see it. He was injury prone when he was here and since he's left. His stats were worse than cams last year, and haven't been world beaters at any time except arguably for the game and a half he played here. He pretty much dilfered his way to a super bowl, and certainly didn't do much to win it. I don't think our chances of winning a super bowl would be better with garoppolo than with Cam, so I have a hard time getting behind spending the kind of pics and money it would take to bring him in.

I was at the stadium the night he got hurt vs. Miami. For folks that don't remember, he was literally killing Miami in his first home game as a starter. After playing less than a half he'd thrown for 234 yards and 3 TDs when Kiko Alonso landed on him with a thud and it screwed up his AC joint. I really don't know how Jimmy can be blamed for getting hurt on a play like that. I thought it was deliberate by Alonso, no stranger to cheap shots, but the refs didn't agree with me. I didn't follow him that close in SF, so I can't comment on every injury the guy has had, but that one could've happened to anybody, imo, and I don't remember him having another one here. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't really see any reason to get worked up over the current rumor mill about him returning. I give it a puncher's chance at best. I could see Bill going for a lower-risk deal, but I seriously doubt he'd part with a first rounder, as the Niners' are insisting. A distant maybe.
 
Belittle it all you want, but compensating for a foot injury screws up your motion something awful. I lost most of my junior year because I could play through it, but everything was off because my follow through was off.

Should a pro be able to do it? Probably. But it's a real thing.
 
I could agree with somebody who said we could've done a little better than Agholor and Bourne for the money, but both make us better. However, how anybody could look at Henry and Jonnu as "average" just makes me shake my head in amazement.
100% agreed...I'm not a fan of Bourne, or Mills...but, the rest of them I do like. BB did overpay for them, but, free agency is pretty much all about over paying for players.
 
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