Gamete Thread - Saints @ Patriots - Sun. Sept. 26 1PM (FOX)

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Mazz22 said:
You do know that TV revenues which is where the bulk of money NFL teams is shared equally among all 32 teams? The quarter of billion that teams like the Bengals, WFT and Jets during our 2 decade run is courtesy of the Patriots.
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Yes, except those teams don't get gate money and host 2 playoff games every year. Get it?

How do you explain this delay of game in Detroit yesterday?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiQzvwvPzHc


It's impossible that the ref crew, all the humans standing there, miss such an easy call. The clock at sat zero for 2 seconds. And then I think Bisciotti hosts Goodell down at Augusta to play golf and realize how certain teams for certain reason$ get some help. Some of these teams get favored calls all throughout a game and we'll see it in Foxborough next week. It's not new for us. We've seen wording of rule changes changed and Blandino caught doing it after we got porked vs the Jets in 2013. They literally changed the wording to match what the claim ws as on the field as to why Chris Jones committed a penalty, even though he didn't. Remember? That happened. It's not fiction. It happened as did the Clement TD in the SB and the illegal Philly Special play. I thought this was sort of known. Even the flags that come out late in a game to help the team trailing is designed for stronger ratings at the end from the advertisers/customers of the NFL.
 
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Mazz22 said:
I am not sure why there is such a rush to try to white wash Mac every game. He had a bad game. A very bad game. It happens. He is a rookie playing against a really good Saints D and a coach in Payton who feasts on rookie QBs. He will learn from it and get better. He seemed really emotional at the end which concerns me. He seems to be so hard on himself that he is letting it effect his demeanor. I really don't get a sense that he really provides any type of emotional spark for this team yet because he is so focused on his own play understandably. Hopefully that comes in time. I would have like to see him get up in the grill a few times with Smith who was awful.
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Did he have any help? Did he have any protection? Did he have a great offensive coordinator that made the most of his abilities?
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
Did he have any help? Did he have any protection? Did he have a great offensive coordinator that made the most of his abilities?
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I don't think it is an all sum game or an either or scenario. He can have his worst game AND also not have a good showing by his teammates. I mean there is plenty of blame to go around. But Mac was not good IMO and he would agree I believe given his reaction right when the game ended.
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
Did he have any help? Did he have any protection? Did he have a great offensive coordinator that made the most of his abilities?
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And he is a rook. He has all the signs of being a good to great qb, but now every week he is playing the equivalent of a college all star team (in respect of his experience). I said it last week, there will be frustrating games. There is a lot of new cog to mesh together, and I still think it will come.
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
Did he have any help? Did he have any protection? Did he have a great offensive coordinator that made the most of his abilities?
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Yeah. I mean, so far, I am unimpressed with McDaniels's work with the kid. It's not a talent problem, it's a rhythm problem, and continuity issue at the moment. The Saints D was cheating like they should have been doing playing downhill vs the pass.

I did like how they took a couple of shots deep, but those came off a bit random or forced instead of maybe setting them with some better runs and legit playaction. I am a bit confused by our power run game which should be a strength and how that can help a rookie QB.

NOs has a lost a lot of talent off that D Line and the Pats did nothing to double Jordan and help Mac out, so it's confusing. I'd also like to see Olzewski get some looks out there on 3rds out of the slot.

Maybe the theory of hiding all kinds of new stuff for TB is a real thing?
 
TyLawsPick6 said:
This board certainly goes quiet after a loss. And, a bad loss it was. Not because they lost, but because they should be 3-0 here, in the 2 losses they've simply made uncharacteristically bad plays at some bad times.

I am not totally convinced Jonnu Smith has ever played the sport before, because, man, he's been bad. Take away that "pick 6", and who knows what happens there in the second half because the Saints didn't do a whole lot. Kamara was kept in check pretty well I thought, certainly no hugely damaging plays, and Deonte Harris was contained pretty well. I don't know why you'd have 2 capable TEs you signed in the offseason to that kind of money and you still act you don't know how to use them.

There just seemed to be a lot of "almost" situations in the game both on O and D. That TD pass on Jon Jones stunned me. Looked like he had it all the way, and that's on top of Dugger's almost-sack.

McDaniels has been as bad as anyone on the offense who is under-performing, which brings me to OL and how much of a headscratcher a top 5 OL should be in this situation, on paper anyway, and how surprising it is that it's not a strength, helping this thing along. Huge disappointment, as is the run game. I think it's time to stop over-analyzing bringing younger players along and just go out there and attack instead of sitting back like they've been doing. Tons of talent just wasted all over the field from Agholor to Henry to JJ Taylor. It's a mystery.

Work faster, crisper, set up 1st reads easier for Mac. Get a rhythm.

On defense, they certainly didn't get much help in this game with the 2 INTs and the constant 3 and outs as it reminded me of the 2011 offense off the Lockout, unable to put a drive together and unable at times to barely get past mid field. Of course, that went on all year which was a headscratcher, yet they still somehow made it to the SB. This team won't be doing that, but it just comes off like a lack of focus to me, right on down to bizarre STs gaffes that just never happen.

Maybe Paul Perillo was right when he said if they lost to the Saints it will be because of the looming Tampa game and it won't be BB 's fault? I wonder why he said that almost as if he witnessed some talk about the Bucs last week and maybe it leaked into the locker room and into the distractions. I don't know, but they need to get over it and fast.

Regardless, even with a 1 TD difference in the 4th and a chance to do something, bot the D and O failed to do their part, and here we are 1-2. That's what is disappointing is the idea they were still in it within a score after some major gaffes. I guess this is the silver lining. Clean up the mental mistakes, play faster and see what happens. These are likely wins going away if they can improve.

I don't have much faith next week mainly because of Goodell. Even if it's close, there is no way he would allow the Pats to win this game, so I had it as a loss even before the schedule came out. Sorry to be negative about it.

I think they can be more competitive just by focusing better and executing better.

PS That coordinator on the Saints sideline lobbying for calls game is a loser. Is that Dennis Allen? What a tool. I am pretty sure his Johnnie Whinebaugh tactics got the Saints a couple of calls which didn't help.
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TyLawsPick6 said:
He is in decline. He led an 11-5 team last year with All Stars everywhere. He threw 3 INTs in the NFC title game like he did in KC in January 2019. He's still very good, at times magic Brady, but he's clearly past his prime. Look at last night.

His last 2 rings are directly attributed to his D and running backs. He needed them badly. And, good on him for realizing running the ball more helps him.

Plus, you throw the Giselle influence and Brady admitting she's wanted him to retire for a while, etc, and Brady being uncoachable going back many years, which led to the drafting of JimmyG, and voila, BB's brilliance comes from doing that, working with JimmyG daily (great game by him last night), and a2nd dynasty is formed. Brady had the fire again. Before that, he was subpar in postseasons.

Top 3 franchise draft picks:

1. A 1st for BB.
2. A 6th for Brady.
3. A 2nd for JimmyG (and BB working with him daily in case Brady didn't improve in postseasons).

Our society has little patience for the process. In BB I Trust, absolutely. Absolutely. We have a rookie cap future QB while all these other AFC teams have a 40 million per year QB that isn't worth the 40 million, not to mention small windows to win in and top heavy rosters.

There's a reason why Brady's team is allowing 30+ points every week on D. Their D sucks.
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A few things:

1) Yeah tends to get quiet after a loss. We all saw it, the game was bad, as Bill would say we were outplayed in every phase of the game. It's more fun to talk about how well the team performed than how badly they performed, that's just the reality of it.

2) Factually, last year was Brady's 6th best ever in terms of passer rating, and this year is on pace to be his 4th best. No Tampa Bay offensive players made All Pro last year. He leads the league in TDs, and is on pace to throw for over 55 touchdowns and 5500 yards. I don't believe that "clearly past his prime" and "in decline" is borne out by statistics and objective observation.

3) Regarding the league "steering" outcomes: I don't buy it. I haven't since the Atlanta SB, because there is no way the league wanted the Pats to win that one. The Supreme Court ruled that the league has a responsibility to put forth a fair game and consistently enforce its rules. Moreover, even with just the refs and the league office involved, there is just no way that one of them wouldn't talk. Mankind released a Book about how rigged the WWF was... while still in it! Do you really think not one ref would take the book deal to talk about how they were told to look past holding penalties on this team, or to tighten up the calls on one team because they were getting too much of a lead, etc?

Frankly, the last 2 Super Bowls involving Tom Brady were a Disaster for the league in terms of overall game flow and subsequently ratings. No one wanted to watch the Rams Patriots game at all, and interest in the Chiefs Bucs game waned at halftime because of how non-competitive it was. If they were trying to steer outcomes to get storylines favorable to the league, they have failed, and failed hard. That utter failure, combined with the impossibility of keeping stuff like that under wraps, means I'm not on board and likely never will be. "But what about the terrible calls" one might say? Well, as someone once said, never assume malice is at play when mere stupidity will suffice. People can get calls wrong, it happens.
 
The board has been quiet after a loss? Really? The game ended on page 18 and here we are talking about the loss still. The other threads haven't been exactly quiet either....
 
Mazz22 said:
I am not sure why there is such a rush to try to white wash Mac every game. He had a bad game. A very bad game. It happens. He is a rookie playing against a really good Saints D and a coach in Payton who feasts on rookie QBs. He will learn from it and get better. He seemed really emotional at the end which concerns me. He seems to be so hard on himself that he is letting it effect his demeanor. I really don't get a sense that he really provides any type of emotional spark for this team yet because he is so focused on his own play understandably. Hopefully that comes in time. I would have like to see him get up in the grill a few times with Smith who was awful.
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If you are saying this as part of the passive-aggressive posting you done because you are pissed at BB and the Pats for letting Brady wlak, then UT PLEASE assclown this assclown.

If this is what you truly saw and tryuly believe then you should stop watching football and stick to bowling and golf and just post in the brady love forum
 
Giant Octopodes said:
A few things:

1) Yeah tends to get quiet after a loss. We all saw it, the game was bad, as Bill would say we were outplayed in every phase of the game. It's more fun to talk about how well the team performed than how badly they performed, that's just the reality of it.

2) Factually, last year was Brady's 6th best ever in terms of passer rating, and this year is on pace to be his 4th best. No Tampa Bay offensive players made All Pro last year. He leads the league in TDs, and is on pace to throw for over 55 touchdowns and 5500 yards. I don't believe that "clearly past his prime" and "in decline" is borne out by statistics and objective observation.

3) Regarding the league "steering" outcomes: I don't buy it. I haven't since the Atlanta SB, because there is no way the league wanted the Pats to win that one. The Supreme Court ruled that the league has a responsibility to put forth a fair game and consistently enforce its rules. Moreover, even with just the refs and the league office involved, there is just no way that one of them wouldn't talk. Mankind released a Book about how rigged the WWF was... while still in it! Do you really think not one ref would take the book deal to talk about how they were told to look past holding penalties on this team, or to tighten up the calls on one team because they were getting too much of a lead, etc?

Frankly, the last 2 Super Bowls involving Tom Brady were a Disaster for the league in terms of overall game flow and subsequently ratings. No one wanted to watch the Rams Patriots game at all, and interest in the Chiefs Bucs game waned at halftime because of how non-competitive it was. If they were trying to steer outcomes to get storylines favorable to the league, they have failed, and failed hard. That utter failure, combined with the impossibility of keeping stuff like that under wraps, means I'm not on board and likely never will be. "But what about the terrible calls" one might say? Well, as someone once said, never assume malice is at play when mere stupidity will suffice. People can get calls wrong, it happens.
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1. Fair enough. It's a bad loss like Miami's was for differing reasons, even if some did crop up there, too.
2. It's an offensive league. Rodgers was the MVP. Like I said, Brady is not a top 3-5 QB anymore as we saw last night in LA. The Ds and RBs won him his last 2 rings. His last great Brady game was in KC in January of 2019. And, quite frankly, what good are stats if big mistakes are made at bad times or Brady throws an atrocious 3 INTs in the NFC title game on the road? He wasn't good.
3. I think the SB vs Atlanta was a major outlier in a sense the lead was so big, everyone felt the game was over and no shenanigans were needed, and then all of a sudden it was too late and too hot to try to do anything to influence it. The next SB proves this. The comeback was so great, Goodell was out in full force with smirking Steratore in tow. Remember the Dion Lewis "fumble" vs Jax in the title game where he corralled it and pinned it to his hip, hit the ground, the ground caused the fumbled? It wasn't even a fumble and yet somehow they called it one. Then the narrative shifted to the whistle blowing (which was also wrong). That's just one odd call that happened in that game that, the team fought through to overcome. I realize bad calls happen to all teams, but those are your one off holdings or PI calls or whatever people disagree with (saw a bunch of theses yesterday, Bethal block in the back, some obvious holdings), not these out of the woodwork momentum shifting calls that are so clearly wrong on replay. There's so many of them we forget because of how good the Pats teams were to overcome them. We don't have that now with a rookie QB during a rebuilding process. I just think it's suspicious that Goodell's own officials also miraculously don't know the rules when all other officials in other leagues at least know what the rules are. Look at the Detroit game yesterday. The clock expired for 2 full seconds, maybe even 3, and they were literally wanting to see one last pass from Lamar Jackson to see if what could happen, happened. That's under-handed. Can you imagine if the Pats were victim of that? We have been, but it would be another example of egregious ineptitude by 8 humans standing right there.
4. Correct. The NFL hates the idea there is the same teams playing in a SB, or just the one team, the Pats. It's bad for business. I thought everyone knew this.
5. As far as your point about bad calls, why have rules been changed after seasons (with this frequency compared to other sports) or during them? NE only appeared to have benefitted in Pitt on the TE using the ball to trap on the ground to catch it, when in reality, it was the right call. Then we see the control of a catch concept come up in the SB, where that week Goodell actually said "we need to change it after season", yet it's changed against NE in favor of Philly on the Clement incompletion where Flowers grabbed his arm forcing a shift and jostle of the ball and one foot down. It's so clearly not a catch on the replay. No other team has rules changed on them during games. It's bizarre to watch in real time. Or, even the Saints/Rams thingy. That was Goodell wanting to help out Kroenke and his financial issues in LA. Seriously. Owners just loaned him money for the financial pickle he is in. How do 2 refs stand there and miss such a call? I won't get into the Saints not being on great terms with Goodell as a possible extra reason.
 
Mazz22 said:
I am not sure why there is such a rush to try to white wash Mac every game. He had a bad game. A very bad game. It happens. He is a rookie playing against a really good Saints D and a coach in Payton who feasts on rookie QBs. He will learn from it and get better. He seemed really emotional at the end which concerns me. He seems to be so hard on himself that he is letting it effect his demeanor. I really don't get a sense that he really provides any type of emotional spark for this team yet because he is so focused on his own play understandably. Hopefully that comes in time. I would have like to see him get up in the grill a few times with Smith who was awful.
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Edit: WTF. Brady's emotion drove him to excel. It showed for years. Slamming bottles of water on the ground, surly pressers, ugly behavior on the sidelines, screaming at rookies for not learning the system in month, screaming at vets ("How fucking hard was that?"). We loved this as a sign of his passion for the game.

First Bolded Sentence: And now emoton is a bad thing because it's Brady's replacement ?

Second Bolded sentece: Yeah, like emotion never affected your heartthrobs demaanor? The difference your judgment of emotional QBs who play well are: Is it Brady we're talking about or his replacement?

Ar least Jones has never refused to throw to a receiver the coaches wanted like Aaron and TB.
 
TyLawsPick6 said:
1. Fair enough. It's a bad loss like Miami's was for differing reasons, even if some did crop up there, too.
2. It's an offensive league. Rodgers was the MVP. Like I said, Brady is not a top 3-5 QB anymore as we saw last night in LA. The Ds and RBs won him his last 2 rings. His last great Brady game was in KC in January of 2019. And, quite frankly, what good are stats if big mistakes are made at bad times or Brady throws an atrocious 3 INTs in the NFC title game on the road? He wasn't good.
3. I think the SB vs Atlanta was a major outlier in a sense the lead was so big, everyone felt the game was over and no shenanigans were needed, and then all of a sudden it was too late and too hot to try to do anything to influence it. The next SB proves this. The comeback was so great, Goodell was out in full force with smirking Steratore in tow. Remember the Dion Lewis "fumble" vs Jax in the title game where he corralled it and pinned it to his hip, hit the ground, the ground caused the fumbled? It wasn't even a fumble and yet somehow they called it one. Then the narrative shifted to the whistle blowing (which was also wrong). That's just one odd call that happened in that game that, the team fought through to overcome. I realize bad calls happen to all teams, but those are your one off holdings or PI calls or whatever people disagree with (saw a bunch of theses yesterday, Bethal block in the back, some obvious holdings), not these out of the woodwork momentum shifting calls that are so clearly wrong on replay. There's so many of them we forget because of how good the Pats teams were to overcome them. We don't have that now with a rookie QB during a rebuilding process. I just think it's suspicious that Goodell's own officials also miraculously don't know the rules when all other officials in other leagues at least know what the rules are. Look at the Detroit game yesterday. The clock expired for 2 full seconds, maybe even 3, and they were literally wanting to see one last pass from Lamar Jackson to see if what could happen, happened. That's under-handed. Can you imagine if the Pats were victim of that? We have been, but it would be another example of egregious ineptitude by 8 humans standing right there.
4. Correct. The NFL hates the idea there is the same teams playing in a SB, or just the one team, the Pats. It's bad for business. I thought everyone knew this.
5. As far as your point about bad calls, why have rules been changed after seasons (with this frequency compared to other sports) or during them? NE only appeared to have benefitted in Pitt on the TE using the ball to trap on the ground to catch it, when in reality, it was the right call. Then we see the control of a catch concept come up in the SB, where that week Goodell actually said "we need to change it after season", yet it's changed against NE in favor of Philly on the Clement incompletion where Flowers grabbed his arm forcing a shift and jostle of the ball and one foot down. It's so clearly not a catch on the replay. No other team has rules changed on them during games. It's bizarre to watch in real time. Or, even the Saints/Rams thingy. That was Goodell wanting to help out Kroenke and his financial issues in LA. Seriously. Owners just loaned him money for the financial pickle he is in. How do 2 refs stand there and miss such a call? I won't get into the Saints not being on great terms with Goodell as a possible extra reason.
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The Brady stuff I'll reply to in the appropriate place, but I think you're way off base. As far as Detroit losing because of terrible calls, that's every season. The league hating dynasties and wanting all teams to have their time in the sun doesn't mesh with that though; it would be way better for the league if Detroit had won a Super Bowl during the Calvin Johnson years, from a total market standpoint and an overall revenue standpoint. Instead they got jobbed year after year with stuff like the Calvin Johnson Catch Rule. So again, reality doesn't match what you're saying they would prefer.

As far as rule changes, those only happen in the offseason, and it's based on the competition committee, and it's been that way since 1968. Which in turn replaced the Rules Committee, which has been in place since 1932. It may be stupid, they may hurt the game more than they help it, and it might be demonstrably terrible compared to other sports, but it's not a Goodell thing or anything nefarious, it's literally always been that way for basically the entirety of NFL history. I get what you're saying about how biased the refs are against NE and whatever teams they don't favor, but I've read forums of other teams. During and after almost every game, fans of Both teams are constantly complaining about how the refs are out to get them. Every call against them is BS, while every call against their opponent is 'about time', as they've been "getting away with so much". The other teams fans are saying the exact same thing, but in reverse. Most games, when viewed objectively, at least 80-90% of the calls are made correctly, and they are what they are. We saw what the season looked like when the replacement refs were in during the strike; that should give you an idea of the level of incompetence we Could see, we should imho be glad the calls are as good as they are.

You're certainly free to believe whatever you want, but I've watched the same games as you, and I respectfully but wholeheartedly disagree.
 
Just watching the game now in fits and starts. I will have many thoughts. Not sure about time to share them. For now:

  • The reactions to this game remind me very much of that one year when we lost horribly to KC to fall to 2-2 and people started talking about benching Brady, how he was washed up, etc.
  • There are a lot of things we're seeing that aren't typical of 21st century Patriots teams: the mental breakdowns, ST garbage, offensive line, inability to rise to the occasion to close out games.
  • Mac did fine yesterday. 2 picks not his fault, 3rd didn't matter because he was pushing in garbage time. I was concerned about his deep balls, but there's nothing harder than a touch deep ball with a rush in your face. The adrenaline makes you tend to miss long, and you want to avoid missing short.
 
Giant Octopodes said:
The Brady stuff I'll reply to in the appropriate place, but I think you're way off base. As far as Detroit losing because of terrible calls, that's every season. The league hating dynasties and wanting all teams to have their time in the sun doesn't mesh with that though; it would be way better for the league if Detroit had won a Super Bowl during the Calvin Johnson years, from a total market standpoint and an overall revenue standpoint. Instead they got jobbed year after year with stuff like the Calvin Johnson Catch Rule. So again, reality doesn't match what you're saying they would prefer.

As far as rule changes, those only happen in the offseason, and it's based on the competition committee, and it's been that way since 1968. Which in turn replaced the Rules Committee, which has been in place since 1932. It may be stupid, they may hurt the game more than they help it, and it might be demonstrably terrible compared to other sports, but it's not a Goodell thing or anything nefarious, it's literally always been that way for basically the entirety of NFL history. I get what you're saying about how biased the refs are against NE and whatever teams they don't favor, but I've read forums of other teams. During and after almost every game, fans of Both teams are constantly complaining about how the refs are out to get them. Every call against them is BS, while every call against their opponent is 'about time', as they've been "getting away with so much". The other teams fans are saying the exact same thing, but in reverse. Most games, when viewed objectively, at least 80-90% of the calls are made correctly, and they are what they are. We saw what the season looked like when the replacement refs were in during the strike; that should give you an idea of the level of incompetence we Could see, we should imho be glad the calls are as good as they are.

You're certainly free to believe whatever you want, but I've watched the same games as you, and I respectfully but wholeheartedly disagree.
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Detroit couldn't even have a winning season let alone sniffing a SB. You seem to contradicting yourself. You said above the league didn't like the NE and LA Rams SB. I agree! They were also coming off multiple occasions being caught lying in federal court and the Pats spitting in his face after being caught lying in court, citing Article 46 allowing him the right to do whatever he wants, and he won his appeal, all but announcing he can cheat when he sees fit for the betterment of the league. He admitted to it to be able to steal our picks.

There is no way Rozelle and Tagliabue did stuff like this.

Remember the 2019 game vs the Chiefs? That was brutal. We had 2 TDs taken away in 3 mins of one another and dominated the 4th qtr.
 
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spacecrime said:
Edit: WTF. Brady's emotion drove him to excel. It showed for years. Slamming bottles of water on the ground, surly pressers, ugly behavior on the sidelines, screaming at rookies for not learning the system in month, screaming at vets ("How fucking hard was that?"). We loved this as a sign of his passion for the game.

First Bolded Sentence: And now emoton is a bad thing because it's Brady's replacement ?

Second Bolded sentece: Yeah, like emotion never affected your heartthrobs demaanor? The difference your judgment of emotional QBs who play well are: Is it Brady we're talking about or his replacement?

Ar least Jones has never refused to throw to a receiver the coaches wanted like Aaron and TB.
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Absolutely. That alone is worth its weight in gold. I know my QB's snobby behaviors aren't a predictable detriment to the game being played on my tv screen.
 
TyLawsPick6 said:
He is in decline. He led an 11-5 team last year with All Stars everywhere. He threw 3 INTs in the NFC title game like he did in KC in January 2019. He's still very good, at times magic Brady, but he's clearly past his prime. Look at last night.

His last 2 rings are directly attributed to his D and running backs. He needed them badly. And, good on him for realizing running the ball more helps him.

Plus, you throw the Giselle influence and Brady admitting she's wanted him to retire for a while, etc, and Brady being uncoachable going back many years, which led to the drafting of JimmyG, and voila, BB's brilliance comes from doing that, working with JimmyG daily (great game by him last night), and a2nd dynasty is formed. Brady had the fire again. Before that, he was subpar in postseasons.

Top 3 franchise draft picks:

1. A 1st for BB.
2. A 6th for Brady.
3. A 2nd for JimmyG (and BB working with him daily in case Brady didn't improve in postseasons).

Our society has little patience for the process. In BB I Trust, absolutely. Absolutely. We have a rookie cap future QB while all these other AFC teams have a 40 million per year QB that isn't worth the 40 million, not to mention small windows to win in and top heavy rosters.

There's a reason why Brady's team is allowing 30+ points every week on D. Their D sucks.
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You know 18 months ago I would have agreed with you, but the problem is that it's just not true at all, none of it is. Anyone that watched yesterdays Bucs game and came away thinking Brady is in decline is just in denial. I'm sorry but your just kidding yourself at this point, where is the decline exactly? Arm strength? No, he can make any throw on the field still and actually his arm looks stronger than it did in his first couple of seasons. Accuracy? Still one of the most accurate QB's in the league by a lot. Pocket presence? Nope still as smooth operating in the pocket as he's ever been and can read defenses faster than he probably ever has. Now if you want to make the argument that he will decline that's fine, but there simply is no objective evidence that he is anything less than a top 5 QB right now. So to me that really begs the question as to WTF Bill Belichick is doing, he claims he always makes the decision that's best for the team, well then how is it that the best QB to ever play the game is not leading the Patriots right now? I think you are like many of us Patriot fans that want to still believe in Bill, I sure did, but the fact of the matter is that the decisions Bill has made for this team recently, have been catastrophically bad. We are not a better team right now than we were last year, and that is all on Bill, his decisions have brought the team here.
 
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