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If you think that what Bill has done in the past should earn him a full pass for all time, then I believe it's you Sir that are the fool. Like it or not Bill's personel moves both in the draft and FA have continued to hurt this team, and at some point it can't be ignored. Brady hid a lot of bad choices by Bill, we are just starting to see that.
You're an embarrassment. Leave the board.

There is no way on earth you were a fan in the Sullivan years like you claim. You're as much of a liar about that as MazzTroll.
 
Another phony "we" will be lucky... you guys need to stop it! You aren't Pats fans, so just give it up. You, Toni Mazz, Son of Sybil, river rat...why are you here? You all hate this team, want them to lose and when they do lose we know all of you are sleeping in soaked sheets. Stop. Be honest.
GFY, I've been a fan since the 70s and you don't get to tell me what it is to be a fan. If you were "honest", you'd be able to acknowledge how baldly Bill has failed as GM recently. This team is a fucking disaster and that's after the failed drafts, poor personnel decisions and the 165 million dollars Kraft had to pony up to let him try and buy his way out of it. It started with Bill's ego and pushing Brady out the door, and we are seeing the full fruits of it right now.
 
You're an embarrassment. Leave the board.

There is no way on earth you were a fan in the Sullivan years like you claim. You're as much of a liar about that as MazzTroll.
Let me say this again for you little boy, GFYM.
 
Let me say this again for you little boy, GFYM.
How does it feel to be a creepy loser? Seriously. You're angry after a Pats win and claim to be a Pats fan. The Pats outclassed Tampa last week and were 2 inches from an awesome win and you made it seem like they got blown off the field like soup du jour Miami did today, getting blasted 45-17.

The Pats are in the mix again and you're an angry little dork. Go away.
 
GFY, I've been a fan since the 70s and you don't get to tell me what it is to be a fan. If you were "honest", you'd be able to acknowledge how baldly Bill has failed as GM recently. This team is a fucking disaster and that's after the failed drafts, poor personnel decisions and the 165 million dollars Kraft had to pony up to let him try and buy his way out of it. It started with Bill's ego and pushing Brady out the door, and we are seeing the full fruits of it right now.

So have I and I dissagree totally.

BB has a fulll head of hair baldly by the way.

~Dee~
 
GFY, I've been a fan since the 70s and you don't get to tell me what it is to be a fan. If you were "honest", you'd be able to acknowledge how baldly Bill has failed as GM recently. This team is a fucking disaster and that's after the failed drafts, poor personnel decisions and the 165 million dollars Kraft had to pony up to let him try and buy his way out of it. It started with Bill's ego and pushing Brady out the door, and we are seeing the full fruits of it right now.
Mac Jones. Matt Judon. By definition, it's not a failure. It might not be to your expectations, but you draft the best rookie QB, and sign the best defensive player in free agency, it's simply not a failure. Sorry for the reality check. :coffee:
 
And with a smidgen of good luck, i.e a fumble in one game and a lick of paint on the goalpost. We could be 4-1.

We’re close. It’s not like we are being thrashed week in week out. Look at the Dolphins today.
Oh, we are close are we? If close is good enough for you, so be it. Not good enough for me, I spent decades watching shit teams that could barely break 500, now we are on are way back there because no one wants to stand up to Bill and his ego. Mark my words, all the great he did do for this franchise, is quickly being undone.
 
GFY, I've been a fan since the 70s and you don't get to tell me what it is to be a fan. If you were "honest", you'd be able to acknowledge how baldly Bill has failed as GM recently. This team is a fucking disaster and that's after the failed drafts, poor personnel decisions and the 165 million dollars Kraft had to pony up to let him try and buy his way out of it. It started with Bill's ego and pushing Brady out the door, and we are seeing the full fruits of it right now.
Take a cold shower, chief. And if you want to compare years as a Pats fan, I went to the very first game ever at BU when we played the Broncos in September of 1960. I was just a little kid, but I've been a loyal fan ever since. Not blindly loyal, as there have been many times when criticism has been deserved and warranted. But, please don't pretend to be a Pats fan when you aren't. Oh, and you also go GFY...
 
GFY, I've been a fan since the 70s and you don't get to tell me what it is to be a fan. If you were "honest", you'd be able to acknowledge how baldly Bill has failed as GM recently. This team is a fucking disaster and that's after the failed drafts, poor personnel decisions and the 165 million dollars Kraft had to pony up to let him try and buy his way out of it. It started with Bill's ego and pushing Brady out the door, and we are seeing the full fruits of it right now.

We have asked Mazz this question numerous times. How on earth would Tom Brady still being here make this team better? You and Mazz both live in the same dream world where you think what Brady did last year with the Bucs would have happened in the exact same way if he had stayed here. Brady might have helped eek out 2 more wins, in the away game in Buffalo and the Broncos game. So we still would not have made the playoffs and even if we snuck in, we would have been nowhere near good enough and then, probably not high enough in the draft to choose our future franchise QB. Brady would have eaten up cap money, stopped us from getting our future QB and we would not be winning SBs.

So how exactly would we have been better off?
 
Oh, we are close are we? If close is good enough for you, so be it. Not good enough for me, I spent decades watching shit teams that could barely break 500, now we are on are way back there because no one wants to stand up to Bill and his ego. Mark my words, all the great he did do for this franchise, is quickly being undone.
So 6 titles, 9 AFC Championships...they're just going to come take those away or something?
 
Mac Jones. Matt Judon. By definition, it's not a failure. It might not be to your expectations, but you draft the best rookie QB, and sign the best defensive player in free agency, it's simply not a failure. Sorry for the reality check. :coffee:
Best rookie QB? Since w
Take a cold shower, chief. And if you want to compare years as a Pats fan, I went to the very first game ever at BU when we played the Broncos in September of 1960. I was just a little kid, but I've been a loyal fan ever since. Not blindly loyal, as there have been many times when criticism has been deserved and warranted. But, please don't pretend to be a Pats fan when you aren't. Oh, and you also go GFY...
Sorry but it's not blasphemy to question B.B., and the decisions hes made over the last two years require it if you're a true fan. Don't ever tell me I'm not a fan because I question the great one because it won't be long before everyone is.
 
Best rookie QB? Since w

Sorry but it's not blasphemy to question B.B., and the decisions hes made over the last two years require it if you're a true fan. Don't ever tell me I'm not a fan because I question the great one because it won't be long before everyone is.
I questioned him right here yesterday about benching Stevenson for a week one fumble. No, it's not blasphemy to question Bill. Every coach and GM deserves that at times. What Bill doesn't deserve is to be shit on, minimalized and ridiculed. Can you honestly tell us you were rooting for the Pats to win today?
 
Best rookie QB? Since w

Sorry but it's not blasphemy to question B.B., and the decisions hes made over the last two years require it if you're a true fan. Don't ever tell me I'm not a fan because I question the great one because it won't be long before everyone is.
But, you're lying. That's the problem. You believe the brainwashed disinformation. What's next, there's no pandemic, too?

There are good players all over the field. You just got through saying how his FAs haven't been any good, which is a lie. Judon was big today as was Henry. Agholor chipped in as did Bourne.

Collins just got resigned and he chipped in. Guy, White, Andrews, etc, were all in-house resigns who love playing for BB, otherwise they would have left. Karras had a nice game today as well as a reserve player.

Henry Anderson tore his pectoral and White blew out his hip. BB should have seen those coming, right little goober? You people are pathetic wanting immediate satisfaction through these children's eyes like it's a video game BB needs to deliver Lombardis to you personally every February.

You're a lying child. Congratulations.
 
On ignore you go.

It's a shame but this place is turning into a cesspool again.
Look in the mirror! You are clearly a troll agitator here. You need to learn to say "My mistake. I didn't realize that" when proven wrong. You're so easily proven wrong with every post because you troll in every post with lies and disinformation.
 
Look in the mirror! You are clearly a troll agitator here. You need to learn to say "My mistake. I didn't realize that" when proven wrong. You're so easily proven wrong with every post because you troll in every post with lies and disinformation.
"My mistake?" F!rom Toni? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
Well I guess this is how Tampa felt after “winning” last week.
Good thing feelings still don’t matter in football.
^^This is the guy/gal I was talking about trolling all through the last 48-72 hours. Go play in traffic with Grogan and Mazz.
 
You probably would have to put on ignore half the board with how inconsistent your hot takes are.
I never mind disagreements. I enjoy them. You are a good example of that. We disagree, we treat each other with respect and also have some fun too.

I won't put up with personal insults. There is no reason for that ever IMO on a football board that is meant to be fun

This TyLaw has been insulting everyone that disagrees with him. I stopped engaging with him until this game thread and now have him on ignore. I know UT does not want stuff like that so I have reported a number of his posts not just to me but to other posters too.
 
I don't understand how a clear troll like Mazz (even the name itself is meant to be trollish) is allowed to dictate rules on a messageboard and run around telling mods what to do. Just strange. Always go to the source of a problem to fix it. The troll is the problem.
 
I never mind disagreements. I enjoy them. You are a good example of that. We disagree, we treat each other with respect and also have some fun too.

I won't put up with personal insults. There is no reason for that ever IMO on a football board that is meant to be fun

This TyLaw has been insulting everyone that disagrees with him. I stopped engaging with him until this game thread and now have him on ignore. I know UT does not want stuff like that so I have reported a number of his posts not just to me but to other posters too.
My god, the hypocrisy here is just astounding.
 
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