See, it's not you that counts entire arguments invalid due to a perceived logical fallacy. And believe me, I recognize that there were personal attacks made against you in the thread where you mentioned the ad hominem thing. It's not just those two logical fallacies that have been brought up though. There have been others that have brought up other fallacies as well. It's at those points that topics go way off base and people just argue about the points of debating rather than the points of the debate.
I really don't want you to take that thread as an attack against you. As much as I disagree with a lot of your points, I also learn a lot from your posts. I can deal with that and appreciate it as well.
Are the people that agree with me big babies? Sure, I guess they are. I suppose that's what I was being when I cried about it. But hey, every once in a while, I need to be a baby.
I guess the bottom line is I get into reading on the subjects that you are all debating and then it gets sidetracked into arguments over logical fallacies and it pisses me off because then I lose interest. It is what it is, I guess.