Yes, John was with SD. At least Chud understands the Cleveland fan base since he worked here before was raised in Toledo. By understand the fans, I mean, he knows we are dying for a winner & knows what the browns mean to the area. BTW, I know he's in the grave, but I do not want Uncle Artie to get in the HOF. He is one of the finalists to get voted on. There are some things I just can't let go of.