Week 12 Gamete Thread - Titans

Honestly Super Bowl 51 was mostly about the Falcons choking IMO.
Of course a team has to be complicit for that kind of comeback to happen even if you play perfect football. I mean all they need is a FG, they're in range, and decide on a 15 yard drop back pass? It's mind boggling how dumb teams can be.
 
Yeah I can play that game too. To be fair, are we going to count the ones when the D cost them a SB, or nearly did? The 2nd Philly SB, can the D just get one stop please? Thankfully McNabb was puking on himself in the 1st one when they drove 80 yards to bring it within 3, if they didn't take their sweet time who knows how that game ends. The D in the 2nd half when Indy finally beat them? 30+ points in the 2nd half, yikes, and please let's leave out the thermostat conspiracy theories. Not sure what else Brady could have done with that WR clown show, man that would have been a cakewalk of a SB. The Seattle game you're giving credit as a D win? lol That great Seattle D smelled blood and still couldn't stop TB in the 4th, and the Pats D almost choked it away if not for a stupid call by Carroll and a miracle INT. That Seattle offense was not that great, and was able to do pretty much exactly what it wanted. And let's not forget in that 1st Giants SB, as bad as the O was, Brady was clutch at the end and it was the D that choked it away dropping 2 INTs. So yeah the D gets a lot of credit in many of the SB's, but to say the Pats D won them 4 SB's is just silly to me. They were obviously the biggest factors in the first and last, they don't win the others without Brady, and could have actually won more if not for some choke jobs by the D.
The Seattle offense wasn't great? Are you kidding me? They had an MVP QB, they'd already slapped Denver in the SB, and they had a powerful RB and 3 WRs who all would get the ball so you couldn't really key on one guy. That offense was putting up 27-30 points every week. They were knocking power house teams like GB and NOs with HOF QBs to get to those SBs, so they needed to score and that they did. Very tough offense led by an All Pro level QB. He's older now, sure.

And, not to argue, but Brady is awful at the start of SBs. He's slow to start. His 1st quarters and 3rd qtrs are brutal. In the SB vs Seattle he had poor 1st and 3rd qtrs, where the offense did next to nothing, so I am glad he was great in quarters 2 and 4, because it had to be. We know what he did in SBs vs the Giants. He'd have huge gaps of time where the offense couldn't move past mid field for crying out loud. It was terrible and the low ranked Giants D somehow got all this credit, when the truth was, we played right into their hands throwing it over and over from the shotgun 45 times in each game, without using a run game. I don't want to rehash this, but good grief the revisionist history is amazing sometimes.

The call by Carroll wasn't stupid as much as it was BB inducing him into it with 7 DL, only 1 LB and 3 CBs. You don't run on 7 DL and Lynch was terrible in short yardage all year. BB set the trap, and gum chewing Carroll took the cheese. This has been dissected numerous times, but that's what happened. It could have just as easily been an incompletion, but Butler made the perfect play because he was COACHED to do it. If it's just an incompletion instead of the pick, no one would be calling it a bad call.

Of course the D won the game! It's the greatest play in SB history for crying out loud.

Did you just bring up the 2006 AFC title game when the Pats offense couldn't move the ball and scored zero points against a bad Indy D other than a FG after an Ellis Hobbs 80 yard kick return? You do realize this is an offensive league where the rules favor offenses, correct? Every time this franchise choked one down it's because the offense disappeared. That stuff cannot happen in an offensive league. The way the rules are structured and flags come out, Goodell is all but begging QBs to execute.

I just think it's funny that when the smoke clears, some want to pretend Brady was perfect and moved mountains, but the truth is, the Ds were as vital to those wins as much as the offense was. Special teams, too!
 
The 2011 defense was possibly the worst defense ever to take the field in a Super Bowl.

What an appalling defensive group that was. Look at the D Line apart from Wilfork. Dreadful.

Defensive linemen
Linebackers
Defensive backs
 
What an appalling defensive group that was. Look at the D Line apart from Wilfork. Dreadful.

Defensive linemen
Linebackers
Defensive backs

I got to Ron Brace and began laughing.
 
The 2011 defense was possibly the worst defense ever to take the field in a Super Bowl.
Agreed except they got them there and they played to their ceiling winning the game, allowing 13 points until the end. It was literally the greatest coaching job of BB's career coming off a Lockout with no camps, a rushed preseason and a rebuild. Who goes to a SB on the front of a rebuild? Just incredible in an offensive era to hold a team in a SB to 13 points.

The Pats offense played far below their ceiling. This happened in both SB losses to the Giants. You can't tell me you walk into a SB and say "14 points should be enough, no problem". It's just preposterous to think that in this era.

The Andre Carter injury was the blow they couldn't absorb as it weakened their rush badly and made Mark Anderson basically the key pass rusher, where it would have been a lot better if he was a sub rusher. I remember when he went down and I was like "that can't happen if they're going to go deep into a postseason"..

They spent the year playing mostly 4-3 and just didn't a 3-4 capability which hurt them during the rebuild. It just wasn't there. But, that has nothing to do with the D outperforming the offense in that postseason, because that's what happened. Ironically, in the game when they struggled vs Tebow in November in December,Carter went down in a heap in the 3-4, but th3 faster 4-3 is what worked better vs the Tebow crap and they shut the door with it in the second half of that game, and then obviously blasted him again the postseason with it. But, it would have been nice to use the 3-4 vs the Giants RBs in the SB, sure.

13 points allowed if Brady isn't lazy to take that Safety, throw an INT on 1st down to start the 1st qtr on an irresponsible throw to Gronk on one leg, almost in FG range, or the slightly off throw to Welker off his back foot with him wide open. All 3 were just horrendoys gaffes which allowed NY to take more clock than what should have been NE's clock since these occurred on 1st downs. Ugh. Even typing this makes me annoyed.

If just 1 of those god awful bad plays/mental miscues does not occur, and BJGE gets like 5 more carries, NE wins the SB with 3 points allowed in the 2nd half. They played brilliantly considering the lack of overall talent and depth. The latter was more the issue in a game like that.

This is really where the lack of accountability started with Brady, too. Giselle came down after the game pointing fingers as Brady was trying to hush her all embarrassed. The undermining of BB the GM and Coach, was already in play then when our best players on offense were letting us down (Brady, Mankins, Welker).
 
Agreed, although 2017 Pats defense give them a run for their money -- at least for the Super Bowl performance alone.
Philly's D sucked, too and we saw Philly get 2 illegal TDs. I mean, your HOF QB can't drop an easy pass on a trick play or fumble on the last drive where other team's D is gassed, ready to be had.

It just can't happen.

This is like saying SF's D sucked in the SB vs the Ravens or Pitt vs GB or Pitt vs Arizona....It's an offensive league. Sure, our D didn't play well, but down Hightower, Jon Jones and Chung going down killed them. Literally 3 of your best/key players right down the heart of the D didn't help matters.
 
The 2011 defense was possibly the worst defense ever to take the field in a Super Bowl.
this. so much this. if tb had anything to lord over bb about being the reason for the pats success it would be this year.
i used to pray for 3rd and short because they were better on that down and distance than they were on 3rd and long.
they did tighten up somewhat in the playoffs though.
 
I really love this team. Mistakes are made sometimes, but it doesnt affect the result. We win convincigly. Lets make a squad for a next 10 years :cool:
 
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