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spacecrime said:
I think this is something the media either doesn't know or doesn't care about. That every play the Pats run won't be a stretch run play action. There will be plenty of the plays we've run for years, and plenty of head-banging up the middle runs. Right now the O is practicing the new plays and it's easy for the D to focus on that.

We've got two fast outside receivers now and if the opposing D focuses too much on movement at the line of scrimmage, once in a while the D will get burned by a Thornton or Agholor getting behind them. It might only be once or twice a game, but how many long TDs will it take before the defense sticks a couple of safeties back there. my guess is one.

It's so mind boggling, all the hand-wringing that changing systems isn't seamless and it actually takes a lot of work to accomplish this.


This is exactly it. Like people (drivers or offensive tackles) are plug-n-play.
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The media has to report on what is happening today. So far it’s been rough and looks disjointed. Most of them are saying to give it time but have concerns because Mac is in his second year and he has new coaches.

I mean it’s been 2+ decades and Bill is changing things up. Of course they are going to report on every detail.

I was listening to the radio today and a local guy was on, forget who, but he said the Oline is really talented but they want to get off the line and smash someone. This offense requires a lot of foot work so he was wondering if the guys up front are a good fit for the system. I think that is fair but again it’s very early and these guys are still trying to learn.
 
Undertaker #59* said:
You don't know that they don't. You don't know what the system is. All you have are media assumptions.

Zone blocking does not a system make, it is merely one aspect of an offense, and one that has had a part time role in the Patriots 'system' for years.
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You’re right but I am not inside Foxboro like the beat guys are. All of them are saying the same thing. I trust guys like Reiss.
 
spacecrime said:
I think this is something the media either doesn't know or doesn't care about. That every play the Pats run won't be a stretch run play action. There will be plenty of the plays we've run for years, and plenty of head-banging up the middle runs. Right now the O is practicing the new plays and it's easy for the D to focus on that.

We've got two fast outside receivers now and if the opposing D focuses too much on movement at the line of scrimmage, once in a while the D will get burned by a Thornton or Agholor getting behind them. It might only be once or twice a game, but how many long TDs will it take before the defense sticks a couple of safeties back there. my guess is one.

It's so mind boggling, all the hand-wringing that changing systems isn't seamless and it actually takes a lot of work to accomplish this.


This is exactly it. Like people (drivers or offensive tackles) are plug-n-play.
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100%
 
Mazz22 said:
I think the bigger question some of us have is why the Pats don’t have anyone on their staff that is well versed in the system on top of having Patricia and Judge who neither have a lot of offense experience.
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Define some of us? So far all I have is you.

Mazz22 said:
The media has to report on what is happening today. So far it’s been rough and looks disjointed. Most of them are saying to give it time but have concerns because Mac is in his second year and he has new coaches.

I mean it’s been 2+ decades and Bill is changing things up. Of course they are going to report on every detail.

I was listening to the radio today and a local guy was on, forget who, but he said the Oline is really talented but they want to get off the line and smash someone. This offense requires a lot of foot work so he was wondering if the guys up front are a good fit for the system. I think that is fair but again it’s very early and these guys are still trying to learn.
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No one is a good fit for anything until they learn the system. I knew shit about mechanical engineering until I graduated from UMass. And after college I didn't kmow about the unique requirements of submarines until I worked with them. A long time.

You can look at the Pats (and life) with a glass half full attitude and assume the best until proven otherwise - Patriots Fan(atic)

You can simply see half a glass of water. Fan of football with no favorite team or player

You can look at the Pats with a glass half empty attitude and assume whatever they do is wrong - Patriots hater
 
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Mazz22 said:
You’re right but I am not inside Foxboro like the beat guys are. All of them are saying the same thing. I trust guys like Reiss.
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What is this "same thing" that you are claiming they are saying? Not an interpretation, but what are they actually saying?
 
Undertaker #59* said:
What is this "same thing" that you are claiming they are saying? Not an interpretation, but what are they actually saying?
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Wut? Everything we all have been discussing for days now
 
Mazz22 said:
Wut? Everything we all have been discussing for days now
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Which ties back to no one outside of the org knows what the changes to the system are, or what the institutional knowledge is. You seemed to imply the beat guys like Reiss were making definitive statements about the 'system' and what the changes were.

All we know is they have made some changes, and there has been a challenging learning curve. We don't know that it is a wholesale change to the 'Shanny system' (as you call it).
 
Undertaker #59* said:
Which ties back to no one outside of the org knows what the changes to the system are, or what the institutional knowledge is. You seemed to imply the beat guys like Reiss were making definitive statements about the 'system' and what the changes were.

All we know is they have made some changes, and there has been a challenging learning curve. We don't know that it is a wholesale change to the 'Shanny system' (as you call it).
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Not definitive. Just discussing what’s been reported like everyone else
 
HSanders said:
i always try to keep in mind that bb has strategic reasons for what media is allowed to see also.
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And he could be selecting play-calls strategically, too.

Maybe he wants Mac/the offense to deal with some adversity, toughen/humble them, so they're intentionally calling more plays than usual into the teeth of the defense. That's perfectly possible, IMO.
 
Undertaker #59* said:
Which ties back to no one outside of the org knows what the changes to the system are, or what the institutional knowledge is. You seemed to imply the beat guys like Reiss were making definitive statements about the 'system' and what the changes were.

All we know is they have made some changes, and there has been a challenging learning curve. We don't know that it is a wholesale change to the 'Shanny system' (as you call it).
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The Shanahan system uses a FB front and center. We don't have a FB.
There's no wholesale change to the Shanahan system.
Yes, there's some outside zone runs but that's more McVay than Shanahan.
If it doesn't work, BB won't use it. People need to quit fretting about this stuff.
 
rivshark86 said:
Almost everything in training camp favors the offense.
These reports are pretty scary, and I’ve got absolutely no faith in Patricia or Judge. We are going to find that bringing them back was a huge mistake.
I like Mac, but his ceiling is Andy Dalton in his prime. He’s gonna need good coaching and personal to get there. Outside of the run game, he’s got neither.
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Gee, let me guess, you’re going to predict another 5-12 record?


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Mazz22 said:
I’ve been all for the change. I have wanted it changed for a long time to simplify for the receivers. I was asking earlier why he is changing now but it has become more clear in that Mac has good mobility and I think Bill recognizes that the offense needs to be able to put up points.
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You think so? That'd be great, if Bill recognized that the offense needs to be able to put up points for a change.

Obviously it is going to take time for it to smooth out. I think the bigger question some of us have is why the Pats don’t have anyone on their staff that is well versed in the system
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You state this as a fact, and it's total nonsense. They do. All but (maybe) the most junior coaches.
 
chevss454 said:
The Shanahan system uses a FB front and center. We don't have a FB.
There's no wholesale change to the Shanahan system.
Yes, there's some outside zone runs but that's more McVay than Shanahan.
If it doesn't work, BB won't use it. People need to quit fretting about this stuff.
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Undertaker #59* said:
What is this "same thing" that you are claiming they are saying? Not an interpretation, but what are they actually saying?
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Mazz22 said:
Wut? Everything we all have been discussing for days now
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Not his question. You've been making up shit a dozen times a day, things about which you cannot possibly have any knowledge. When pressed, you claim to just listen to guys like Reiss reporting Here is what he said two days ago.:

How big of a deal to make about the early inconsistency of the offense? That question lingers, as there have been more "no chance" plays -- in which Jones and rookie quarterback Bailey Zappe have simply tucked the football or thrown it away -- than the norm for a Bill Belichick-coached team. Part of that seems related to the Patriots experimenting with new things.

Belichick said late last week that the team was "inching along" while adding there are "miles to go" -- which seems to reflect where the offense is through nine practices.

This is reporting. It is telling us what he SEES in camp and what he HEARS from coaches/players. This is not what you've been doing. You have an unwavering agenda and it has nothing to do with discussing anything. You know the tenor of your own posts. Most are so stupid and unreasonable it boggles the mind, and and you know it. This isn't due to stupidity. You're not stupid. So why this incessant, ranting, over-the-top hate for all things Belichick? No one does anything this consistently for years without a payoff. What are you getting out of this? What's the payoff for you?

Because you're shitting all over a perfectly good forum trashing a man who isn't even reading what you're saying about him?
 
There are reports coming in from training camps all across the NFL right now. From some teams the news is positive, and some negative. The fact of the matter is that a lot of writers seem to think that the passing offense in general, and Mac are struggling with the new system. That’s bad in training camp where most of the drills favor the offense. Good news in TC with pass catchers is usually untrustworthy and bad news is often worse that it is. I’m very concerned about this Oline giving up interior pressure. It looks like a lot of plays will get blown up before they begin. Based on what we’ve seen so far this TC it’s looking like this offense will be somewhere in the bottom third of the league.
It’s not unreasonable to have no faith in Patricia or Joe judge. Just look at their track records over the past few years. Patrica has very little offensive experience, and he didn’t exactly light it up coaching defense. It’s not trolling the forum to express concern.
I’ve got full confidence in the Oline and tight ends ability to run block. This team has the RBs to have a great run game. Thornton is going to develop into a good offensive piece. If Hunter Henry can stay healthy he’s dangerous. Parker will have to be accounted for by defenses. Im not trying to be completely negative. If this LB group can reach the potential they are flashing the defense should be at least as good as last year.
Speaking of last year, I had the Browns, the chargers, the titans, and both bills games as losses. I thought they would give up one game to Miami not both. I was wrong on those games, but that prediction wasn’t unreasonable. I never predicted 5 wins. It was 7 and 10.
 
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Big/Sky/Fly said:
I did a Christmas holiday gig for OOPS (UPS) back in the day. Dogs hated and chased me. I got a killer cardiovascular workout with them. Uni's are terrible. Great experience though!
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I would buy my helpers lunch every day and tip on Christmas eve, hope you got the same.
 
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