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Same, not something you would normally see in old coaches where the "game has passed them by".
Have to find the right system for the Qb. That's the HC #1 job.
 
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How good has Barmore been in TC?
He pancaked Onwenu


and if 1 article isn't enough here's a 2nd one.

here's a 3rd; this one is by Lazar
 
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I DVR every Pats' game and usually re-watch those we win. I typically just erase losses. For some reason I never erased the Buffalo playoff loss from last season. Tuesday evening I was cleaning up my recordings and came across that game. I don't know why, but I started re-watching it. The most vivid and obvious negative feature of that game (and there were plenty) upon re-watching was how horribly slow our linebackers were. I mean really, really slow. It's little wonder the 3 starters are no longer here. Speed-wise, it won't be hard for their replacements to be better.
 

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As I understand the SHannahans'system, it's heavily dependent on Oling blocking. The Oline has been getting trashed early in tc, and it might be (besides Barmore) because our OLinesmen have been in the system in the system for a long time and now are learning new blocking schemes and new terminology. The instinctive working-as-one that a good Oline performs will not arrive anytime soon. The OL will learn at different rates, and it will mess up coordination. I would not expect it to run smoothly even at the start of the season, and I'm not surprised that highly intelligent guys like Mac Jones will get frustrated by the slow rate of others' progress.
Those of us older than 12 will recall they tried to install a version of this offense back in the BOB days, with little success and they ended up scrapping it pretty early on. Some of that was the quarterback's resistance to it, if I remember correctly. But we'll see how it goes.
 

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As I understand the SHannahans'system, it's heavily dependent on Oling blocking. The Oline has been getting trashed early in tc, and it might be (besides Barmore) because our OLinesmen have been in the system in the system for a long time and now are learning new blocking schemes and new terminology. The instinctive working-as-one that a good Oline performs will not arrive anytime soon. The OL will learn at different rates, and it will mess up coordination. I would not expect it to run smoothly even at the start of the season, and I'm not surprised that highly intelligent guys like Mac Jones will get frustrated by the slow rate of others' progress.
I found this article on the difficulty of installing Shanny's system. You are spot on with the Oline blocking. Here is a snippet. Let's hope it does not take years to implement but even it does I love the sea change to something new. This is the offense that is the most successful in the league. Hopefully the Oline can figure it out in time. Wish the Pats still had Scar.

The difference with Shanahan’s offense and its various clones is that it’s extraordinarily difficult to teach, especially up front, because, for offensive linemen, most of the required movements are unique to this scheme. Blocking schemes require specific personnel that exclude a lot of standard, lumbering type linemen. Some of the most critical blocks cannot be practiced, because the backside “cutting” techniques, which ask an offensive lineman to dive at the turf, tripping a chasing defender at the hips, are too dangerous to try out on fellow teammates who could easily sustain lower body injuries.

So, having the playbook and the play-caller is one thing. Having the person, or people, to turn some chemically doctored brown swill into whiskey? That’s a different issue altogether, leaving some to wonder whether there’s a coaching crisis on our hands, or just a bunch of premature spirits waiting to ripen.

“It’s gonna take you years, it’s not going to happen overnight,” Mike Shanahan told Sports Illustrated recently from his vacation spot in Cabo. “You gotta believe in it. You gotta be a product of the environment. It’s gonna take time.”

“I don’t care if you’re the offensive line coach or the tight end coach, you need to understand all phases of the running game,” Mike Shanahan says. “There’s different types of defenses you’re facing every week, and so the scheme has to change. Read defenses, penetrating defenses, eight- and seven-man fronts. There’s lots of different directions you have to go.

“But if you really believe in the outside zone, if you can use those techniques in the running game successfully, you can adjust against all those defenses. It starts on a day-to-day basis, believing in what you’re doing.”

 

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Mike Reiss is saying Tyquan Thronton is winning a lot of new fans at TC.

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I found this article on the difficulty of installing Shanny's system. You are spot on with the Oline blocking. Here is a snippet. Let's hope it does not take years to implement but even it does I love the sea change to something new. This is the offense that is the most successful in the league. Hopefully the Oline can figure it out in time. Wish the Pats still had Scar.

The difference with Shanahan’s offense and its various clones is that it’s extraordinarily difficult to teach, especially up front, because, for offensive linemen, most of the required movements are unique to this scheme. Blocking schemes require specific personnel that exclude a lot of standard, lumbering type linemen. Some of the most critical blocks cannot be practiced, because the backside “cutting” techniques, which ask an offensive lineman to dive at the turf, tripping a chasing defender at the hips, are too dangerous to try out on fellow teammates who could easily sustain lower body injuries.

So, having the playbook and the play-caller is one thing. Having the person, or people, to turn some chemically doctored brown swill into whiskey? That’s a different issue altogether, leaving some to wonder whether there’s a coaching crisis on our hands, or just a bunch of premature spirits waiting to ripen.

“It’s gonna take you years, it’s not going to happen overnight,” Mike Shanahan told Sports Illustrated recently from his vacation spot in Cabo. “You gotta believe in it. You gotta be a product of the environment. It’s gonna take time.”

“I don’t care if you’re the offensive line coach or the tight end coach, you need to understand all phases of the running game,” Mike Shanahan says. “There’s different types of defenses you’re facing every week, and so the scheme has to change. Read defenses, penetrating defenses, eight- and seven-man fronts. There’s lots of different directions you have to go.

“But if you really believe in the outside zone, if you can use those techniques in the running game successfully, you can adjust against all those defenses. It starts on a day-to-day basis, believing in what you’re doing.”

I'm confused. I thought the cutting techniques in the Oline play had been outlawed????
 

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I'm confused. I thought the cutting techniques in the Oline play had been outlawed????
Good point. This article was from 2021 so it is interesting that they talk about it. I think you can cut as long as you are facing the player and not coming at him from the side or behind. But I could be wrong. I will look it up.
 

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How good has Barmore been in TC?
He pancaked Onwenu


and if 1 article isn't enough here's a 2nd one.

here's a 3rd; this one is by Lazar
Nice articles. I hadn't heard of musketfire so I looked around the site. Article posted last night says the Pats should move on from Mac Jones (potentially the next Kirk Cousins) and sign Lamar Jackson who can run the Pats style of offense better than Jones. This is what happens when weed is legalized.

But on Barmore, maybe the Pats O isn't as bad as it appears. If he behaves this way during the season, I can handle Felger, Trenni, and Mazz² yapping about our horrible offense.
 

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I'm confused. I thought the cutting techniques in the Oline play had been outlawed????
AFAIK cut blocks by the OLine are legal as long as:
1. Both blocker and defender are on the line of scrimmage, and
2. The defender is not already engaged by a blocker.

I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.
 

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Nice articles. I hadn't heard of musketfire so I looked around the site. Article posted last night says the Pats should move on from Mac Jones (potentially the next Kirk Cousins) and sign Lamar Jackson who can run the Pats style of offense better than Jones. This is what happens when weed is legalized.

But on Barmore, maybe the Pats O isn't as bad as it appears. If he behaves this way during the season, I can handle Felger, Trenni, and Mazz² yapping about our horrible offense.

It's basically a long form message board masquerading as a news outlet. From their about us page

"We aren't called FanSided for nothing. Our network of sports, entertainment and lifestyle sites are powered by fans that want to cover their passions! Whether you are just looking to get your start in online media or you want to contribute to your favorite site as a hobby, FanSided wants to hear from you."

That article on Barmore is basically just a summary of other people's tweets from the practices, its like Cliff's Notes for Twitter, almost anyone can right there, so you'll get all kinds of writers, kinda like some of the people I have on ignore here...
 

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I keep telling people that Tyquan isn't going to need a redshirt year like a lot of our rookies.

He's going to help our offense just by stepping on the field and won't need tons of seasoning to earn reps because Ds will have
to pay special attention to those wheels and his already good release off the line.

Finally we have somebody who is really, really fast and I think he's going to look comfortable in the NFL faster than most people think. He is the
guy that is going to help the rest of the WR crew draw more favorable matchups and soon.
 
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I keep telling people that Tyquan isn't going to need a redshirt year like a lot of our rookies.

He's going to help our offense just by stepping on the field and won't need tons of seasoning to earn reps because Ds will have
to pay special attention to those wheels and his already good release off the line.

Finally we have somebody who is really, really fast and I think he's going to look comfortable in the NFL faster than most people think. He is the
guy that is going to help the rest of the WR crew draw more favorable matchups and soon.

I agree. Preparation. He's learned a lot of tricks of route running that some seasoned vets haven't mastered yet. Casual fans don't understand the nuances of the position. Imo, TT got very good training in college and never relied on speed to be the difference maker as so many speed receivers do. He has a good release, he has a terrific stem and plant move at the top, he cuts much quicker than a guy his height has a right to and his hands are softer than soft. He'll go across the middle and catch a ball in traffic without any fear, his double move toolbox is complete. I think he'll be a fan favorite in no time. I'm hearing really good things from people who know. Now if we can only get our OL to be able to run block...
 

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I’m a believer in Thornton, but I hope he gets a year to add strength and a few pounds before going across the middle on a regular basis.
 

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I’m a believer in Thornton, but I hope he gets a year to add strength and a few pounds before going across the middle on a regular basis.

Sure the dude looks and is skinny, but just being rocked up isn't as important as the knack for slipping direct hits or N'Keal Harry
wouldn't have gotten his brains scrambled multiple times. He was like a magnet for direct hits to the squash. Some guys are wiry
strong and elusive and that's how Tyquan strikes me from the relative little I've seen of him.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I'm optimistic about the kid. He was an important draft pick and there is a lot riding on him getting
untracked. I can say that Mac isn't going to quit on the kid if he makes a mistake like one of our former players.
 

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I keep telling people that Tyquan isn't going to need a redshirt year like a lot of our rookies.

He's going to help our offense just by stepping on the field and won't need tons of seasoning to earn reps because Ds will have
to pay special attention to those wheels and his already good release off the line.

Finally we have somebody who is really, really fast and I think he's going to look comfortable in the NFL faster than most people think. He is the
guy that is going to help the rest of the WR crew draw more favorable matchups and soon.
Reports sound more positive than they did for Bethel Johnson. Which is good, because I remember saying something pretty similar to this when Bethel was a rookie.
 
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