2024 Rookie Camp, OTAs, Minicamp and Summer Practices

Otoh, don't you want your best players out there on the field?
Ideally, Onwenu is the RG. But if you don't have a RT who can hold up against a rush, wouldn't you rather have Onwenu at RT and his capable backup at RG to be on the field?
I mean, Robinson may not be as good as Onwenu at RG but he may not miss by much so the total value may be higher than having Onwenu at RG and a turnstile at RT.
Win/win to me as long as the goal is to get or develop a pair of solid OTs for the future.

In not fully understanding the OL plan we've been seeing play out, I had a theory that Mayo wanted to create a dependable pocket to step up into and
we were mostly getting that with the OTs giving up a lot of ground quickly. One X factor has been the play of the rookie OLs with Robinson getting some
props in the latter part of TC at G and Caedan getting work at G and T.

To me, it stands to reason that Onwenu has to move back to RT and one of those two takes over at RG. I'm not sure which I prefer, not having seen Robinson
enough. Both are powerful guys but neither looks to be a polished pass protector at this point.

Then, theoretically, we either live with Chucky OK or Lowe when he comes back or get the best waiver guy we can find and hope for the best.

It could work pretty well, in theory, but there is no reason to believe that we are ready to give our QBs reasonable protection to start the season. With
some development and reps, maybe it won't be as bad as projected.

For one thing, both rookies are a lot better than Mafi was and is and he had to play a lot last season.
 
Mike R.'s Quick Hits today

1. AVP influence:
In a league that has been trending more to younger coordinators who worked under offensive innovators such as Rams head coach Sean McVay and 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan, the Patriots ran a counter play in tapping the experienced and affable Van Pelt, who runs a West Coast offense featuring wide-zone run concepts. Mayo said he and Van Pelt meet multiple times a day and believes their partnership is off to a promising start.

Van Pelt, 54, is arguably the most important hire that first-year head coach Jerod Mayo made on his staff. Mayo refers to him as the "head coach of the offense" and his development plan for quarterback Drake Maye, the No. 3 overall pick in the draft, is directly linked to hopes for the Patriots' return to excellence.

Now in his 20th coaching season, this is the first time he's truly been handed the keys to a team's offense from Day 1.

"To be able to stand in front of the group, and run it as your offense, as our offense, it's special," Van Pelt acknowledged in the days leading up to Sunday's preseason finale at the Washington Commanders [NBC, 8 p.m. ET]. "It's different. I haven't had that opportunity in quite a while."

Van Pelt has veteran quarterback Jacoby Brissett, who played for him in Cleveland in 2022, as his No. 1 quarterback. Brissett has also served as a mentor to Maye, who has been working as the No. 2 quarterback throughout training camp. Mayo has yet to officially name his starter for the regular-season opener at the Cincinnati Bengals on Sept. 8, saying he would wait until after the preseason to do so.

Van Pelt served as the Browns' offensive coordinator from 2020 to 2023, but head coach Kevin Stefanski called the plays. In 2009 with the Bills, Van Pelt was thrust into the coordinator role just days before the season opener, which he said still shapes his approach today. He was also an assistant with the Buccaneers (2010-2011), Packers (2012 to 2017) and Bengals (2018-2019) and cites the totality of that experience as "vital."

4. QB breakdown: Quarterbacks coach T.C. McCartney on each of the team's four quarterbacks:

Brissett -- "We have nine years of tape. We know what Jacoby is. We know what to expect from him. He's just fine-tuning his game. He's a better player than he was when I had him in Cleveland [in 2022]."

Maye -- "Very calm. In control. When he comes off, he can tell me exactly what he sees, which is very important. ... There's obviously a difference when you come in your first day to knocking on the door of the season, so we were expecting him to be here. We expected him to be really good."

Joe Milton III -- "Joe's been tremendous. He had a much different offense, so learning our system, and maybe not getting as many reps as some other guys. But he's doing a lot with the reps."

Zappe -- "Bailey's been a pro's pro. He's been in some tough situations here over the years. Tough situation when you go in for your first preseason game [this year] and they boo. He's been the same guy every day and he's had a really good camp. He's gotten a lot better from Phase 2 [of the offseason] when I first saw him. I've been impressed."

5. Depth needed: Executive vice president of player personnel Eliot Wolf said he anticipates the Patriots being "aggressive" on the waiver wire with the No. 3 priority, and offensive line and run-stuffing defensive tackle are among the numerous spots that look like they could use reinforcements.

First-year Patriots defensive line coach Jerry Montgomery spent the prior nine years in Green Bay, and so if a player like 2022 seventh-round pick Jonathan Ford is waived (and healthy after leaving Saturday's game with a calf injury) based on the depth the Packers already have in place, he'd seemingly fit the profile of what New England might be seeking; similar to late-round draft picks such as Georgia's Zion Logue (Falcons), Northern Iowa's Khristian Boyd (Saints) and Auburn's Justin Rogers (Cowboys) if they are waived. Those are the types of moves that can be anticipated -- nothing headline-grabbing, but additions to build much-needed depth.

8. Layden on OL: Rookie right guard Layden Robinson, the fourth-round pick from Texas A&M, was elevated to the top unit the past two practices after an injury to left tackle Vederian Lowe led to a shake-up that bumped Mike Onwenu to right tackle and Chukwuma Okorafor to left tackle. Mayo referred to the new grouping as "encouraging," with starting left guard Sidy Sow saluting Robinson's work by saying, "Very, very strong and smart. Physically, that guy is so damn strong."

 
Otoh, don't you want your best players out there on the field?
Ideally, Onwenu is the RG. But if you don't have a RT who can hold up against a rush, wouldn't you rather have Onwenu at RT and his capable backup at RG to be on the field?
I mean, Robinson may not be as good as Onwenu at RG but he may not miss by much so the total value may be higher than having Onwenu at RG and a turnstile at RT.
Win/win to me as long as the goal is to get or develop a pair of solid OTs for the future.

Generally you want your best players playing their best positions and in our case building towards the future/building cohesion....at lest imo.
 
Our OL/Drake Maye

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Mike R.'s Quick Hits today



8. Layden on OL: Rookie right guard Layden Robinson, the fourth-round pick from Texas A&M, was elevated to the top unit the past two practices after an injury to left tackle Vederian Lowe led to a shake-up that bumped Mike Onwenu to right tackle and Chukwuma Okorafor to left tackle. Mayo referred to the new grouping as "encouraging," with starting left guard Sidy Sow saluting Robinson's work by saying, "Very, very strong and smart. Physically, that guy is so damn strong."

Looks like it's time to pump the brakes on Robinson. Or just stomp on them hard.

That young man had a rough night. He is strong, but you could see the areas he's going to need some improvement before he can
get a steady job. He isn't quick enough yet to trap and pull effectively and his lateral movement in pass blocking I would say isn't
great. He got flagged at least twice. If he squares a guy up he can blast pretty well, but that's not enough to earn regular snaps.

Looks like we still don't know who our starters will be up front, but outside of not knowing how to line up properly and drawing
some maddening flags, I thought Chucky OK didn't look terrible at LT.

Let's just say that the whole line sucked hard and there are no answers in sight. Right now you could make up an OL of former
Patriots around the league that is significantly better than what we have in place. That is not the general idea.
 
I still can’t believe Okafor lined up illegally THREE GODDAMN TIMES! I understand that they’re cracking down on the illegal early move by LTs, but lining up further back is just an automatic penalty.
and then watching 2 oline men running into each other was pretty funny.
 
I would be surprised if the Pats don't make cuts below 53 to be able to pick up more guys.
I don't see how that helps. The time to address the offensive line was in free agency and the draft, especially with the financial position they are in.

Pulling players out of other team's dumpsters has a much lower success rate now with the current coaching staff, not that it was particularly high before.
 
I don't see how that helps. The time to address the offensive line was in free agency and the draft, especially with the financial position they are in.

Pulling players out of other team's dumpsters has a much lower success rate now with the current coaching staff, not that it was particularly high before.

Can't disagree with you, Tommy. That's why I would try to swing a trade before cutdowns for an O lineman worth having. There are a few teams, Philly being one of them, who
may have to cut a solid aging veteran. I would inquire. The Pats have left themselves no other options. Dennis Daley just became available. Pretty damn good 28 yr old OT/OG.
 
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