TommyD420
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Stop taking Fannin over Arroyo. 
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For what it's worth Top of the 3rd, I'm usually taking a O-line/D-lineman but when I see Arroyo still there I always think of your posts.Stop taking Fannin over Arroyo.
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Stop taking Fannin over Arroyo.
Those stats…
Yeah, yeah…Zappe had video game stats in college vs garbage competition.
Still really good though.
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TommyD420
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You're missing four letters in that infographic, yes. BGSU.View attachment 33491
Those stats…
Yeah, yeah…Zappe had video game stats in college vs garbage competition.
Still really good though.
Bowling Green. Like the 7th best Kentucky D1 school.
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Be not simply good - be good for something.
It looks as if he spends a lot of practicing his TD dances.
He's a better fit for the Steelers than the Foxborough squad.
TommyD420
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I didn't get Skattebo this time. But I did get Trevor Ettienne (who would be a total steal in the 5th).
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Double Dip Draft-
2 Edge, 2 OT, 2 DT, 2 TE'S
2 Edge, 2 OT, 2 DT, 2 TE'S
TommyD420
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Conversely:
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Finally, no trades:
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If I’m the Pats and I’m gonna take Hunter at 4 I want him to be a WR. So what’s his ceiling as a WR? If he’d had come out in last year’s class would he have been the 5th best?
The more film I watch on hunter and the more I read about him I’m a hard pass at 4.
The more film I watch on hunter and the more I read about him I’m a hard pass at 4.
TommyD420
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His ceiling is: "Best WR on the Patriots." His ceiling is also: "Best CB on the Patriots."
I'm really glad you're not the GM.
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You could say that about a bunch of WRs who will go in the 2nd or even 3rd rounds. That doesn’t mean it makes sense to draft them at 4. He is not going to be a two way player in the NFL.
This will be the 20th draft I’ve covered (I first got on the NFL beat in August 2005), and Hunter is probably the most interesting prospect I’ve come across. Hunter will get to Indy on Monday classified as a defensive back. But as we reported last week, the decision to do that, for the combine folks, was simply logistical. The first three days would be the same for him either way. And going with the DBs would allow for him to have the option that the combine gives him—to work out with the corners Friday, and the receivers Saturday.
As for what he is exactly, there are names of guys such as Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, Chris Gamble and Adoree' Jackson who played both ways in college. But there’s been no one in recent memory who did it at the level that Hunter has, to the point where, if isolated as a receiver or corner, he’d be a high first-round pick on either side of the ball.
The question from there becomes to what level he can do both as a pro,
“I thought he was more impactful offensively just because he’s touching the ball so much,” Jeremiah says. “I saw that for two years. Last year, corner-wise and doing him over the summer, there was a little more raw, not as consistent. He was more on the impactful side offensively. … He’s improved drastically coverage-wise from last year to this year.”
“I think he’s a more advanced receiver and better receiver than he is a corner,” McShay says. “But I don’t see a scenario where he’s a full-time receiver that you’re working in packages as a corner. I think it’s the reverse. I think he’s rare. You have to have a plan. My plan would very likely be let’s develop him as a corner and put in installs every week where we utilize him at wide receiver.”
That, in fact, is what Colorado did with him—and answered what will be a big question for NFL teams in how you manage his work during the week. The Buffaloes had him in defensive meetings, and spending most of his practice time at corner, while putting in packages for him on offense, and signaling routes into him on gameday when needed.
The reason is you really can’t have a “package” player on defense, because the offense dictates play. So to play corner, you need the practice time, and meeting time, to have the answers necessary for gameday within the structure of the defense, whereas offensive coaches can build out a plan just for a single player.
There’s also the fact that it’s harder to find a great corner these days than it is a receiver.
But he has rare ability for either position.
“His body control, flexibility, the ability to contort, adjust, all that stuff is rare,” McShay says. “When he gets the ball in his hands, it’s like a different animal comes out. Everything’s under control. He’s so smooth.”
McShay compared Hunter’s receiver skills to the New York Jets’ Garrett Wilson. Jeremiah’s comp was Philly’s DeVonta Smith on offense, and Darius Slay Jr. on defense, which is incredible. His football character is also off the charts—as is his ability, mental acumen, toughness and endurance to play both ways would indicate.
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As for what he is exactly, there are names of guys such as Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, Chris Gamble and Adoree' Jackson who played both ways in college. But there’s been no one in recent memory who did it at the level that Hunter has, to the point where, if isolated as a receiver or corner, he’d be a high first-round pick on either side of the ball.
The question from there becomes to what level he can do both as a pro,
“I thought he was more impactful offensively just because he’s touching the ball so much,” Jeremiah says. “I saw that for two years. Last year, corner-wise and doing him over the summer, there was a little more raw, not as consistent. He was more on the impactful side offensively. … He’s improved drastically coverage-wise from last year to this year.”
“I think he’s a more advanced receiver and better receiver than he is a corner,” McShay says. “But I don’t see a scenario where he’s a full-time receiver that you’re working in packages as a corner. I think it’s the reverse. I think he’s rare. You have to have a plan. My plan would very likely be let’s develop him as a corner and put in installs every week where we utilize him at wide receiver.”
That, in fact, is what Colorado did with him—and answered what will be a big question for NFL teams in how you manage his work during the week. The Buffaloes had him in defensive meetings, and spending most of his practice time at corner, while putting in packages for him on offense, and signaling routes into him on gameday when needed.
The reason is you really can’t have a “package” player on defense, because the offense dictates play. So to play corner, you need the practice time, and meeting time, to have the answers necessary for gameday within the structure of the defense, whereas offensive coaches can build out a plan just for a single player.
There’s also the fact that it’s harder to find a great corner these days than it is a receiver.
But he has rare ability for either position.
“His body control, flexibility, the ability to contort, adjust, all that stuff is rare,” McShay says. “When he gets the ball in his hands, it’s like a different animal comes out. Everything’s under control. He’s so smooth.”
McShay compared Hunter’s receiver skills to the New York Jets’ Garrett Wilson. Jeremiah’s comp was Philly’s DeVonta Smith on offense, and Darius Slay Jr. on defense, which is incredible. His football character is also off the charts—as is his ability, mental acumen, toughness and endurance to play both ways would indicate.
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TommyD420
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There it is. The Perfect Draft.
Kyed and Kiper both have the Pats taking Hunter at 4 in their latest mocks. Both are free.
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Flagg the Wanderer
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With Tennessee signalling picking a QB at #1, the chances that Hunter falls are much better. I'm not the biggest Hunter fan, but if he's there you take him.
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