Are you happy with the Drake Maye pick?
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He's still learning protections and disguised defenses.
How can you put him out there in a real game behind this OL without him knowing these things first.
View: https://x.com/tkyles39/status/1827958757055164563
How can you put him out there in a real game behind this OL without him knowing these things first.
View: https://x.com/tkyles39/status/1827958757055164563
Not to mention
The OL/Drake Maye conundrum
The OL/Drake Maye conundrum
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I think it was the right pick, but the bottom left corner that stated "waste innovation" probably shouldn't have been put there lol
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Sure, the Pats should have done more to help Mac, but these comments by Nink are
telling. Mac was a whiny, little bitch who lost the team that made a lotttt of excuses
for him and just got tired of doing so.
I feel like he was a bit of poser and eventually his true colors came out.
Wouldn't it be great if he has to actually start when we meet Jax in London on 10/20? You
just know he'll be running his yap all week and then fold his tent once the whistle blows. He'll
piss his pants when he sees the look on Keion White's face from close range.
Drake vs. Mac? Sign me up. I've had enough of that pencil-neck weirdo.
Lazar is now on the "start Maye" side of the argument.
In the interest of full disclosure, we're not at practice or in the meeting rooms. Maye might not be ready. He might be struggling at practice or still developing from a mental standpoint. Van Pelt also pointed to some footwork regression in his 12 drop-backs last Thursday night. Simply put, we don't have all the information.
The other anti-Maye argument is the state of the offensive line. By the numbers, the Patriots have the worst pass protection in the NFL. Brissett has been pressured on a league-high 46.4% of his drop-backs, and the Pats rank dead-last in pass-blocking win rate — it's rough, and it's unlikely that it'll get much better with this personnel.
The hesitation to start Maye isn't necessarily out of fear that the 6-4, 225-pound rookie will get hurt. Instead, it's about him possibly developing bad habits due to constant pressure like a sped-up internal clock, seeing ghosts, and hurting his confidence if things go poorly in a tough situation.
As difficult as [having] patience is, the wise thing to do for the long-term health of the organization is to keep Maye on the sideline. At the very least, we need to see the offensive line settle down before putting the future of the franchise under center, right? Well, yes and no.
There's a compelling case that putting Maye into this environment could break another first-round quarterback, and nobody wants that. Brissett is taking the early-rebuild lumps. He has earned everyone's respect, including this scribe's, for his attitude and toughness. The locker room is behind him, especially given the circumstances. Brissett is a great teammate who is doing his job: play until Maye is ready, and the team is ready for Maye while mentoring the third-overall pick.
Maye's long-term development is paramount, but Mayo establishing a winning culture with the proper coaches and offensive development around the quarterback are also very important. From a personnel standpoint, the Pats need to come away from this season knowing what they have in rookies Ja'Lynn Polk, Caedan Wallace, Layden Robinson, and Javon Baker, among others, so they know what to prioritize next offseason.
With Maye, the Patriots can also run a more quick-hitting spread offense to mask their O-Line deficiencies. When the rookie is in the game, the Pats have been more gun-heavy, where they run gun runs/RPOs/play-action, quick-game, and middle of the field combinations that Maye ran at North Carolina. Along with those plays hitting faster in structure, Maye's athleticism allows him to create off-script or scramble when necessary.
Although there will be growing pains, Maye's play style could be better for this personnel because it's less reliant on longer-developing plays to scheme open receivers. Between the preseason and his 12 drop-backs last Thursday, Maye's average time to attempt was 2.38 seconds compared to Brissett's 2.80-second release time.
Barring a drastic change, Maye should start as soon as Week 5 and by mid-season at the latest. Keep him away from the 49ers on the road, but a home game against the Tua-less Dolphins is a good landing spot. If you want to wait a few weeks to get your "best five" along the offensive line healthy, fine. Give me LT Lowe, LG Robinson/Sow, C Andrews, RG Onwenu, and RT Wallace, and let's ride.
Brissett's performance in the team's first three games was admirable — he has taken a beating. However, the Patriots must come out of the 2024 season with positive momentum, moving the franchise in the right direction.
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In the interest of full disclosure, we're not at practice or in the meeting rooms. Maye might not be ready. He might be struggling at practice or still developing from a mental standpoint. Van Pelt also pointed to some footwork regression in his 12 drop-backs last Thursday night. Simply put, we don't have all the information.
The other anti-Maye argument is the state of the offensive line. By the numbers, the Patriots have the worst pass protection in the NFL. Brissett has been pressured on a league-high 46.4% of his drop-backs, and the Pats rank dead-last in pass-blocking win rate — it's rough, and it's unlikely that it'll get much better with this personnel.
The hesitation to start Maye isn't necessarily out of fear that the 6-4, 225-pound rookie will get hurt. Instead, it's about him possibly developing bad habits due to constant pressure like a sped-up internal clock, seeing ghosts, and hurting his confidence if things go poorly in a tough situation.
As difficult as [having] patience is, the wise thing to do for the long-term health of the organization is to keep Maye on the sideline. At the very least, we need to see the offensive line settle down before putting the future of the franchise under center, right? Well, yes and no.
There's a compelling case that putting Maye into this environment could break another first-round quarterback, and nobody wants that. Brissett is taking the early-rebuild lumps. He has earned everyone's respect, including this scribe's, for his attitude and toughness. The locker room is behind him, especially given the circumstances. Brissett is a great teammate who is doing his job: play until Maye is ready, and the team is ready for Maye while mentoring the third-overall pick.
Maye's long-term development is paramount, but Mayo establishing a winning culture with the proper coaches and offensive development around the quarterback are also very important. From a personnel standpoint, the Pats need to come away from this season knowing what they have in rookies Ja'Lynn Polk, Caedan Wallace, Layden Robinson, and Javon Baker, among others, so they know what to prioritize next offseason.
With Maye, the Patriots can also run a more quick-hitting spread offense to mask their O-Line deficiencies. When the rookie is in the game, the Pats have been more gun-heavy, where they run gun runs/RPOs/play-action, quick-game, and middle of the field combinations that Maye ran at North Carolina. Along with those plays hitting faster in structure, Maye's athleticism allows him to create off-script or scramble when necessary.
Although there will be growing pains, Maye's play style could be better for this personnel because it's less reliant on longer-developing plays to scheme open receivers. Between the preseason and his 12 drop-backs last Thursday, Maye's average time to attempt was 2.38 seconds compared to Brissett's 2.80-second release time.
Barring a drastic change, Maye should start as soon as Week 5 and by mid-season at the latest. Keep him away from the 49ers on the road, but a home game against the Tua-less Dolphins is a good landing spot. If you want to wait a few weeks to get your "best five" along the offensive line healthy, fine. Give me LT Lowe, LG Robinson/Sow, C Andrews, RG Onwenu, and RT Wallace, and let's ride.
Brissett's performance in the team's first three games was admirable — he has taken a beating. However, the Patriots must come out of the 2024 season with positive momentum, moving the franchise in the right direction.
Patriots Mailbag: Should Rookie QB Drake Maye Start for the Patriots This Season?
Answering your Patriots mailbag questions on Drake Maye's starting timeline, Alex Van Pelt's offense, and fixes for the O-Line and defense.
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i want him to sit all year...still.
the other danger is if they use him to "mask deficiencies" they never fix them.
the other danger is if they use him to "mask deficiencies" they never fix them.
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Uh ha ha ha stayin alive, stayin alive . . .
Does anyone really think that Maye will not start games this year? Brissette is going to be absolutely murdered at some point and their hand will be forced.
I am as exciting as anyone to watch the Drake Maye era begin, in order to:
A) see if he is really "the guy"
B) start building a team around him while he is still on his rookie contract
But I have no doubt in my mind that Maye will start games this year out of necessity. No need to start him behind this OL until you have no other choice, IMO.
I am as exciting as anyone to watch the Drake Maye era begin, in order to:
A) see if he is really "the guy"
B) start building a team around him while he is still on his rookie contract
But I have no doubt in my mind that Maye will start games this year out of necessity. No need to start him behind this OL until you have no other choice, IMO.
agree... that was my thinking as well. Jacoby won't survive the season behind this O-line so Maye will be in there eventually, ready or not.
Is Milton still QB3? he might be a good one to just run for his life and take some hits for the team.
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Yup, I said that earlier as well: if developing Maye is the top priority, in a scenario where he's not ready and Brissett is hurt, it should be Milton that goes in, right? Just logically? But I highly doubt that would happen. It may be that Maye wouldn't be able to learn as much sitting behind Milton. Plus, if Milton has a nice run and has a couple highlights featuring the lightning bolt strapped to his right shoulder, you run the risk of creating a QB controversy. Is that worse than the risk of ruining Maye? Probably not, because you can solve it by parlaying Milton into picks. But it's a risk to consider.
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I think that's pretty much it. New GM, new coach, new offense, last thing they want is a QB controversy. Not just a potential controversy, but giving the perception that their 6th round pick is more NFL ready than their 3rd overall pick, even if that's not the reason. Talk about bad optics.
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Sign Zappe and start him if/when Brisket goes on IR…
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Agreed but last time they replaced a high first round draft pick for a 6th round draft pick it worked out pretty well
Apples to Oranges I know .
Lazar is now on the "start Maye" side of the argument.
In the interest of full disclosure, we're not at practice or in the meeting rooms. Maye might not be ready. He might be struggling at practice or still developing from a mental standpoint. Van Pelt also pointed to some footwork regression in his 12 drop-backs last Thursday night. Simply put, we don't have all the information.
The other anti-Maye argument is the state of the offensive line. By the numbers, the Patriots have the worst pass protection in the NFL. Brissett has been pressured on a league-high 46.4% of his drop-backs, and the Pats rank dead-last in pass-blocking win rate — it's rough, and it's unlikely that it'll get much better with this personnel.
The hesitation to start Maye isn't necessarily out of fear that the 6-4, 225-pound rookie will get hurt. Instead, it's about him possibly developing bad habits due to constant pressure like a sped-up internal clock, seeing ghosts, and hurting his confidence if things go poorly in a tough situation.
As difficult as [having] patience is, the wise thing to do for the long-term health of the organization is to keep Maye on the sideline. At the very least, we need to see the offensive line settle down before putting the future of the franchise under center, right? Well, yes and no.
There's a compelling case that putting Maye into this environment could break another first-round quarterback, and nobody wants that. Brissett is taking the early-rebuild lumps. He has earned everyone's respect, including this scribe's, for his attitude and toughness. The locker room is behind him, especially given the circumstances. Brissett is a great teammate who is doing his job: play until Maye is ready, and the team is ready for Maye while mentoring the third-overall pick.
Maye's long-term development is paramount, but Mayo establishing a winning culture with the proper coaches and offensive development around the quarterback are also very important. From a personnel standpoint, the Pats need to come away from this season knowing what they have in rookies Ja'Lynn Polk, Caedan Wallace, Layden Robinson, and Javon Baker, among others, so they know what to prioritize next offseason.
With Maye, the Patriots can also run a more quick-hitting spread offense to mask their O-Line deficiencies. When the rookie is in the game, the Pats have been more gun-heavy, where they run gun runs/RPOs/play-action, quick-game, and middle of the field combinations that Maye ran at North Carolina. Along with those plays hitting faster in structure, Maye's athleticism allows him to create off-script or scramble when necessary.
Although there will be growing pains, Maye's play style could be better for this personnel because it's less reliant on longer-developing plays to scheme open receivers. Between the preseason and his 12 drop-backs last Thursday, Maye's average time to attempt was 2.38 seconds compared to Brissett's 2.80-second release time.
Barring a drastic change, Maye should start as soon as Week 5 and by mid-season at the latest. Keep him away from the 49ers on the road, but a home game against the Tua-less Dolphins is a good landing spot. If you want to wait a few weeks to get your "best five" along the offensive line healthy, fine. Give me LT Lowe, LG Robinson/Sow, C Andrews, RG Onwenu, and RT Wallace, and let's ride.
Brissett's performance in the team's first three games was admirable — he has taken a beating. However, the Patriots must come out of the 2024 season with positive momentum, moving the franchise in the right direction.
Patriots Mailbag: Should Rookie QB Drake Maye Start for the Patriots This Season?
Answering your Patriots mailbag questions on Drake Maye's starting timeline, Alex Van Pelt's offense, and fixes for the O-Line and defense.
The way I'm seeing Brisset getting absolutely pummeled tells me it's just a matter of time Maye will play. That said, it's exactly why I think Maye should sit. Barring injury leave the rook to learn the ropes.
This OL is a hot mess and there's little upside to have Maye running for his life instead of learning to go through his progressions.
Sure, maybe they can accommodate his playstyle and play more spread, but why don't they try that with Brisset? As far as I could tell they tried against the Jests and it failed spectacularly.
So yeah, I'm squarely placed in the "let Maye sit all season" camp.
There has to be a different approach after seeing Mac crash and burn so badly.
I get they're totally different players, but I fear Maye could be put in a Bryce Young-esque situation with the current state of this offense.
There's very little upside if you handicap your Ferrari by having it drive in the mud.