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3 Point Stan said:
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I knew this was coming and it still stinks. This is a byproduct of the disastrous Deshaun Watson trade and giving him a fully-guaranteed contract extension. I am glad that failed but I am sorry Stefanski became collateral damage.

He accomplished a lot in a terrible environment so I don't expect him to be sidelined very long.
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I agree. It's unreal that Berry is keeping his job when he orchestrated the move to get Watson. I'm sure Stefanski will land on his feet somewhere.
 
OSUBuckeye said:
I wonder if the GM pool is bad because the three worst GM’s in the league, Andrew Berry, Chris Ballard & Joe Schoen, all kept their jobs. National guys on Sirius this morning are amazed that Ballard in particular was brought back. They listed his 9 years of failure.
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I did not hear this discussion but normally those guys aren't terribly critical of gms etc. because they've either been in that job and know there's a lot of things behind failures, or they just don't like attacking the front office people so that's pretty amazing.
The biggest laugh was on NFL network tonight when they showed haslem, getting up and blustering,"oh, you fans shouldn't have to put up with what has gone on this past 2 years", as if he had nothing to do with bringing in that fuckstick quitter pos deshaun Watson. I will never believe that Kevin stefanski wanted that guy, and I think that this year, Stefanski, let a few things slip, because he's sick of taking the blame for this bullshit like, I think I heard him say something about he didn't know they were drafting Sanders. And he didn't know they were either cutting or getting flacco.
He might be wise to sit out a year and get the lay of the land but I do think a lot of teams will have him on their radar.
 
HSanders said:
I did not hear this discussion but normally those guys aren't terribly critical of gms etc. because they've either been in that job and know there's a lot of things behind failures, or they just don't like attacking the front office people so that's pretty amazing.
The biggest laugh was on NFL network tonight when they showed haslem, getting up and blustering,"oh, you fans shouldn't have to put up with what has gone on this past 2 years", as if he had nothing to do with bringing in that fuckstick quitter pos deshaun Watson. I will never believe that Kevin stefanski wanted that guy, and I think that this year, Stefanski, let a few things slip, because he's sick of taking the blame for this bullshit like, I think I heard him say something about he didn't know they were drafting Sanders. And he didn't know they were either cutting or getting flacco.
He might be wise to sit out a year and get the lay of the land but I do think a lot of teams will have him on their radar.
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Reports are that he has 3 teams interested already.
 
I guess my ? is he's been a lot more successful than mike tomlin recently and mike tomlin's untouchable according to a lot of media talking heads.
 
3 Point Stan said:
Lynch played for Tampa and Denver, never San Fran. He came to camp with the Pats before being cut/retiring but never played a regular season snap for the Pats.

I would say it worked out for John Elway because they won a title. You win a title, it's not a failure.

For San Fran, the jury is still out. I look at both of these teams in a similar light to the Danny Ainge-led Celtics: They prob should have won multiple but Denver settled for one, San Fran may settle for none.
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Lynch wasn’t hired before Shanny in SF though. Not sure why Shanny agreed to that partnership. Lynch must have sold himself well to Shanny…
 
HSanders said:

View: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/2008679438154953158?s=20
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There really are not that many really good coaches out there to fill these vacancies. And not just here, in the college vanities as well. This is good. For the Patriots in that we gave a genuinely very good coach who is young enough that we should have him here for years.

Harbaugh is a very good coach. I can imagine the Raiders will go all out to get him. Would Jerry Jones take a shot as well?
 
Roberto71 said:
There really are not that many really good coaches out there to fill these vacancies. And not just here, in the college vanities as well. This is good. For the Patriots in that we gave a genuinely very good coach who is young enough that we should have him here for years.

Harbaugh is a very good coach. I can imagine the Raiders will go all out to get him. Would Jerry Jones take a shot as well?
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I don't think he will but it only takes one owner to look Josh's way and think maybe he can make our QB
good. :banghead:
 
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HSanders said:
I guess my ? is he's been a lot more successful than mike tomlin recently and mike tomlin's untouchable according to a lot of media talking heads.
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If the narrative is that it became a Harbaugh versus Lamar predicament then I think they made the wrong choice. Lamar is no longer the deadly dual threat. Now he's an injury prone veteran QB with reputation of being a problem previously.

If we go by record it's insane he got fired considering he literally was a missed field goal away from making the playoffs again. Harbaugh has consistently had his teams in the playoffs year in year out.

If we compare that to Tomlin, he has been in that bubble of fringe mediocrity for much longer. All in all it's puzzling, although I'll lose zero sleep over it.
 
I don't think it's all that fair to simply compare Tomlin to Harbaugh. Tomlin has won 10 games for three seasons in a row with and during that span the Steelers started 7 different QB's. If any Patriots coach did that, post-Brady, we'd all have been be clamoring for a COY award.

On the flip side, Harbaugh had a 2-time (should have been 3-time) MVP but hasn't been able to win jack since Joe Flacco was in knickers. I am sure Steelers fans want more than what they've been getting but this is every team's destiny when they don't have a legit QB. No one can escape that. The Ravens cannot fall back on that excuse.

I will also add something I had echoed when the Brady and BB parted ways with the Pats: When you work with people for 20ish years, relationships can sour over time. I am sure many of you have experienced similar circumstances in your professional lives where a seemingly good thing came to an end simply because multiple parties could no longer play nice in the sand box. Sometimes these things just run their course. Tomlin won't escape it either in the long run.
 
3 Point Stan said:
I don't think it's all that fair to simply compare Tomlin to Harbaugh. Tomlin has won 10 games for three seasons in a row with and during that span the Steelers started 7 different QB's. If any Patriots coach did that, post-Brady, we'd all have been be clamoring for a COY award.

On the flip side, Harbaugh had a 2-time (should have been 3-time) MVP but hasn't been able to win jack since Joe Flacco was in knickers. I am sure Steelers fans want more than what they've been getting but this is every team's destiny when they don't have a legit QB. No one can escape that. The Ravens cannot fall back on that excuse.

I will also add something I had echoed when the Brady and BB parted ways with the Pats: When you work with people for 20ish years, relationships can sour over time. I am sure many of you have experienced similar circumstances in your professional lives where a seemingly good thing came to an end simply because multiple parties could no longer play nice in the sand box. Sometimes these things just run their course. Tomlin won't escape it either in the long run.
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I see your point, but tomlin I believe was ordered to keep both coordinators when he took over for cowher, which was good because both of them were instrumental in the steelers staying good for a long time, particularly le beau on defense.
I haven't looked it up, but i'm guessing the defense has backslid since tomlin has been in charge of it and lebeau has been gone.
 
HSanders said:
I see your point, but tomlin I believe was ordered to keep both coordinators when he took over for cowher, which was good because both of them were instrumental in the steelers staying good for a long time, particularly le beau on defense.
I haven't looked it up, but i'm guessing the defense has backslid since tomlin has been in charge of it and lebeau has been gone.
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GM Omar Kahn has been there the last 4 drafts. Before that it was Kevin Colbert from 2000 to 2022. He oversaw 2 SB winners.
GMs matter, too.
 
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