Cooper Kupp

[TommyD420]

Maye needs pass catchers, but I’m expecting 4 new additions to the Oline between FA and the draft. That alone will make the current group look better.
Kupp is washed up. Nothing more needs to be said.
Higgens…… I still don’t think he’s a true number one, more of a top notch 1B who you can’t rely on health wise. He’s playing beside Chase who gets lots of attention and is catching passes from Joe Burrow. Not worth what it would take to get him to leave that. The bengals probably missed the playoffs because he was injured to start the season, and on top of that there’s probably a better than 50/50 chance they resign him.
So who’s left? Godwin? He’s probably got a year before he’s back to form after yet another injury. (Yes I know he will be back playing sooner) He’s gonna want big money.
Diggs? No thanks.
I don’t see any WR projected in the first who looks like they would be a better option than one of the Dlineman projected around them. In the flip side, there seems to be a lot of OLine guys worth giving money this year. Great D line options at the top of the draft. If they are willing to trade back, lots of value at Oline at the end of the first and second.
I’m not opposed to pass catchers, but I’m not high on any of the options this year.

With new coaching and a better Oline we can expect better things from the 2nd year guys, and hopefully Boute continues to grow. I’m sure they will add a few guys in FA who are more of a value.

A top-notch 1B is better than any receiver we've had here since Julian Edelman. His last game was 5 years ago.

 

[rivshark86]

A top-notch 1B is better than any receiver we've had here since Julian Edelman. His last game was 5 years ago.

We don’t know that he will make it to FA. It’s probable he remains a Bengal.
So who’s left in FA. Godwin? No thanks. It took him 2 years to get back to form after his ACL, and then another devastating injury.
Diggs?

 

[chevss454]

I can't imagine any team in the league will trade for this player.

The Rams had no interest so LA announced Wed. that they would pick up some of his salary to get a deal done.

 

[chevss454]

A top-notch 1B is better than any receiver we've had here since Julian Edelman. His last game was 5 years ago.

Higgins is exactly the kind of WR Maye needs - Big, lengthy, great radius, strong and strong hands and smart. It's like he's 80% WR and 20% TE.

 

[3 Point Stan]

The Rams had no interest so LA announced Wed. that they would pick up some of his salary to get a deal done.

I like the player but his contract is what it is. Even if the Rams ate half, is he a player worthy of a ~$10 mil/year investment? Not sure he is but the Pats certainly have the cap room to roll the dice.

My main issue is that when I view this player, he's no more than a #2 and he is best suited in the slot. So to add him to a team that already has a collection of #3's and #4's who are arguably best suited in the slot doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Having a fully healthy, 32 year-old Kupp may yield around 80 receptions/900 yards, but the same 40-60 receptions we saw from the 2024 cast of WR (Pop's stats being their ceiling), and perhaps the same TE production (for which I have no complaints about).

Now, add a healthy 26 year-old Tee Higgins to to the Patriots and he is likely good for 75-80/1,100-1,200 and about 10 TDs. I'd argue that the same cast of WR's would then elevate to a floor to what production Pop Douglas gave them this year. So that's a 1,000 WR and multiple 600+ WR's. For what it would cost to add a player like Higgins, the elevation of the rest of the cast around him is well worth the ROI there.

Obviously all of this is based on pre-draft consideration but as we stand right now, I don't think the addition of Kupp nets this team additional wins.

At the end of the day, I see LA cutting Kupp. If that happens, I am interested.

 

[rivshark86]

I was reading the chargers are interested in Kupp.
We are talking about Higgens like it’s a lock he hits FA. More than likely the bengal just resign themselves to having to win in a shootout every week and resign him.
If that doesn’t happen he probably gets franchised. Possibly traded.
If he is franchised probably it takes that 4th pick in the second round to get him in a Pats uni, PLUS a huge contract at 30 million a year.
No Higgins is not worth that. That pick at the top of the second needs to be an OT.
We may as well be talking about AJ brown as Higgens.

 

[Flagg the Wanderer]

I was reading the chargers are interested in Kupp.
We are talking about Higgens like it’s a lock he hits FA. More than likely the bengal just resign themselves to having to win in a shootout every week and resign him.
If that doesn’t happen he probably gets franchised. Possibly traded.
If he is franchised probably it takes that 4th pick in the second round to get him in a Pats uni, PLUS a huge contract at 30 million a year.
No Higgins is not worth that. That pick at the top of the second needs to be an OT.
We may as well be talking about AJ brown as Higgens.

If he's franchised it's a no. If he hits FA then yes, you offer him what he's worth to you.

I'd take Brown over Higgins, all factors equal. But they're not. Higgins would at worst be average statistically while helping to free up our other WRs and, with Henry and Maye, seriously bolster red-zone and 3rd down effectiveness.

 

[3 Point Stan]

I was reading the chargers are interested in Kupp.
We are talking about Higgens like it’s a lock he hits FA. More than likely the bengal just resign themselves to having to win in a shootout every week and resign him.
If that doesn’t happen he probably gets franchised. Possibly traded.
If he is franchised probably it takes that 4th pick in the second round to get him in a Pats uni, PLUS a huge contract at 30 million a year.
No Higgins is not worth that. That pick at the top of the second needs to be an OT.
We may as well be talking about AJ brown as Higgens.

If I was wagering on it, I'd bet that Higgins re-ups in Cinci. But I don't think Kupp is any solid consolation prize. I'd prefer they direct their attention elsewhere.

 

[TommyD420]

We don’t know that he will make it to FA. It’s probable he remains a Bengal.
So who’s left in FA. Godwin? No thanks. It took him 2 years to get back to form after his ACL, and then another devastating injury.
Diggs?

It's Higgins or no one to me, from FA. You can keep all the washed guys coming off major injuries or on the other side of 30.

 

[chevss454]

If he's franchised it's a no. If he hits FA then yes, you offer him what he's worth to you.

I'd take Brown over Higgins, all factors equal. But they're not. Higgins would at worst be average statistically while helping to free up our other WRs and, with Henry and Maye, seriously bolster red-zone and 3rd down effectiveness.

80% of Higgins' catches are either a first down or a touch down. He's a machine on the field.
AJ Brown can disappear in games. Love him as a player but teams have learned how to defend him.

 

[Flagg the Wanderer]

80% of Higgins' catches are either a first down or a touch down. He's a machine on the field.
AJ Brown can disappear in games. Love him as a player but teams have learned how to defend him.

A WR1 disappearing isn't always bad, if he's disappearing because coverage is being rolled his way. I haven't watched a ton of Eagles games this year, so I can't claim to know.

 

[PatsFan09]

80% of Higgins' catches are either a first down or a touch down. He's a machine on the field.
AJ Brown can disappear in games. Love him as a player but teams have learned how to defend him.

I met AJ at Patriots training camp back in July. Very nice guy. He and one of the offensive linemen… can’t remember his name… came over to my kids and I and chatted for about 45 seconds when they first walked on.
AJ also, unsurprisingly, burned the hell out of our defense that day during joint practices.

 

[Mazz22]

I would like to see us make a trade for a legit #1. We have the money and the picks to do so.

 

[Big/Sky/Fly]

80% of Higgins' catches are either a first down or a touch down. He's a machine on the field.
AJ Brown can disappear in games. Love him as a player but teams have learned how to defend him.

He was bitching a few times at Jalen to throw the ball to him more.

 

[rivshark86]

80% of Higgins' catches are either a first down or a touch down. He's a machine on the field.
AJ Brown can disappear in games. Love him as a player but teams have learned how to defend him.

Or is his Quarterback just incredibly limited?

Something tells me if you put AJ brown across from Chase and had Burrow throwing at him he’d be as or more productive than what Higgens had done.

Not that any of this matters. Next year Higgens will be a Bengal and Brown will be an Eagle.

 

[HSanders]

Or is his Quarterback just incredibly limited?

Something tells me if you put AJ brown across from Chase and had Burrow throwing at him he’d be as or more productive than what Higgens had done.

Not that any of this matters. Next year Higgens will be a Bengal and Brown will be an Eagle.

hurts is rgiii