Why Be Normal
- Aug 14, 2004
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- Windsor, CT
Last I saw, the FISA issue was still in litigation and is being dealt with. You wanna compare that with over 15,000 Trump lies? Just the fact that anyone defends him at all is twisted.
Over 15,000 lies?
Here's what you posted in that regard.
Not that it matters, but President Trump has made 15,413 false or misleading claims over 1,055 days
I had a customer yesterday who was one of those misinformed people that think Trump has never lied, ever! Or that he doesn't lie any more than any politician...
So saying something "misleading" is a now classified as a "lie"?
Thank you for proving my post about the change in the meaning of the word "lie".
I take it as an axiom that the probability of any statement made by a politician can be construed as "misleading" is asymptotically approaching 1.
Just consider what any of them say when asked a yes or no question.
Do any of them answer yes or no?
Of course not, they blather on for a few paragraphs obfuscating what ever it was that was being asked and what their response was.
Oh and BTW, I just happened to come across this today.
Fact-checking the Washington Post: Is it truthfully reporting Trump’s ‘lies’?
Post Claim of Trump Lie: The President stated that the Japan trade deal was a “$40 Billion” deal.
Post Evidence: The deal involved only $7 billion in agricultural products.
Our Fact-Check: The deal does involve $7 billion in agricultural products, but, according to Fortune magazine on October 7, 2019, it also included “$40 billion commitment to digital trade” by Japan. The Washington Post itself acknowledged as much in its reprinting of a Bloomberg article on the US-Japan Trade Talks on October 10, 2019 which describes the $40 billion digital trade commitment.
Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump says grown men ranchers and farmers were crying as he announced the signing of the repeal of certain environmental regulations.
Post Evidence: A video of the ceremony showing no one crying.
Our Fact-Check: The video never shows the entire audience, and one of the few ranchers shown appears emotional.
Post Claim of Trump Lie: That a border wall was being built (the Post claims 242 lies of this nature).
Post Evidence: By technical definition, the barrier is not a “wall” because it does not have a continuous base, but is rather a “bollard fence.”
Our Fact-Check: To also be technical, thirty-foot beams in this barrier are not true “bollards,” which are by definition short and stubby, and there is a continual, albeit thin, base at the bottom. But more substantively, before construction began, Trump had for some time called this a “steel-slat wall” and the Border Patrol calls it a “bollard-style steel wall.”
Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump’s claim he “built” 100 miles of border wall.
Post Evidence: Most of the barrier was a replacement of previous fencing.
Our Fact-Check: If one builds a house to replace an inferior, or even perhaps superior, structure, he is still building a house.
Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump claims his July 25, 2019 phone call with President Zelensky of Ukraine was “perfect.”
Post Evidence: White House officials were “alarmed” by the call.
Our Fact-Check: This is an absurd claim over an opinion, not a fact. The President in charge of foreign policy and his opinion controls under the Constitution. To boot, Zelensky was extremely pleased with the call.
Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump stated that the Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin was caused to be fired in March 2016 by Joe Biden for investigating Burisma and his son Hunter.
Post Evidence: Ukrainian activist Daria Kaleniuk said Shokin “had not been investigating” Burisma, and, according to the Post, firing Shokin was a “diplomatic victory.”
Our Fact-Check: Kaleniuk is a Soros-funded Biden supporter and her opinion is suspect. She was correct that there was a stalled investigation, at least prior to December 2015. On December 9, 2015, the New York Times reported Shokin was now investigating Burisma. Soon, on February 4, 2016, Shokin raided the home of Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky. In response, Hunter Biden’s group lobbied the State Department, whose official Victoria Nuland then criticized Shokin. The United States policy was controlled by Secretary of State John Kerry, father of Hunter’s partner, and Joe Biden.
Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump said Hunter Biden visited China with his father in 2015 on Air Force Two, “walked away” with a “$1.5 billion investment for his fund” and “made millions.”
Post Evidence: Hunter Biden did not own any of the fund, BHR, and did not get his 10% equity until 2017. The capitalization of BHR was $3.4 million, so Hunter’s stake was worth only $340,000. He has not yet received compensation and there is no proof he landed $1.5 billion. According to the Post Biden had not yet been paid any compensation.
Our Fact-Check: Jonathan Li, head of BHR, a joint venture with the State-owned Bank of China, admitted he was raising $1.5 billion, very likely with the Bank’s support. Hunter Biden went on the Advisory Board twelve days after leaving China and the 2017 date of vesting conveniently coincided with his father’s departure from office, a fact that is inculpatory, not exculpatory. A 10% stake in a successful billion dollar-plus fund is extremely valuable, perhaps into the mid-eight figures. No one values an investment fund based on the value of its computers, furniture and other capital items. To say Biden made “millions” is an understatement.
So with these claims of "lies" not entirely correct, and who knows how many of the other 15K examples simply cases of "misleading", you'll forgive me if i don't find your argument persuasive.