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Last I saw, the FISA issue was still in litigation and is being dealt with. You wanna compare that with over 15,000 Trump lies? Just the fact that anyone defends him at all is twisted.

Over 15,000 lies?

Here's what you posted in that regard.

Not that it matters, but President Trump has made 15,413 false or misleading claims over 1,055 days

I had a customer yesterday who was one of those misinformed people that think Trump has never lied, ever! Or that he doesn't lie any more than any politician...

So saying something "misleading" is a now classified as a "lie"?

Thank you for proving my post about the change in the meaning of the word "lie".

I take it as an axiom that the probability of any statement made by a politician can be construed as "misleading" is asymptotically approaching 1.

Just consider what any of them say when asked a yes or no question.

Do any of them answer yes or no?

Of course not, they blather on for a few paragraphs obfuscating what ever it was that was being asked and what their response was.

Oh and BTW, I just happened to come across this today.

Fact-checking the Washington Post: Is it truthfully reporting Trump’s ‘lies’?

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Post Claim of Trump Lie: The President stated that the Japan trade deal was a “$40 Billion” deal.

Post Evidence: The deal involved only $7 billion in agricultural products.

Our Fact-Check: The deal does involve $7 billion in agricultural products, but, according to Fortune magazine on October 7, 2019, it also included “$40 billion commitment to digital trade” by Japan. The Washington Post itself acknowledged as much in its reprinting of a Bloomberg article on the US-Japan Trade Talks on October 10, 2019 which describes the $40 billion digital trade commitment.

...

Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump says grown men ranchers and farmers were crying as he announced the signing of the repeal of certain environmental regulations.

Post Evidence: A video of the ceremony showing no one crying.

Our Fact-Check: The video never shows the entire audience, and one of the few ranchers shown appears emotional.

...

Post Claim of Trump Lie: That a border wall was being built (the Post claims 242 lies of this nature).

Post Evidence: By technical definition, the barrier is not a “wall” because it does not have a continuous base, but is rather a “bollard fence.”

Our Fact-Check: To also be technical, thirty-foot beams in this barrier are not true “bollards,” which are by definition short and stubby, and there is a continual, albeit thin, base at the bottom. But more substantively, before construction began, Trump had for some time called this a “steel-slat wall” and the Border Patrol calls it a “bollard-style steel wall.”

,,,

Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump’s claim he “built” 100 miles of border wall.

Post Evidence: Most of the barrier was a replacement of previous fencing.

Our Fact-Check: If one builds a house to replace an inferior, or even perhaps superior, structure, he is still building a house.

...

Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump claims his July 25, 2019 phone call with President Zelensky of Ukraine was “perfect.”

Post Evidence: White House officials were “alarmed” by the call.

Our Fact-Check: This is an absurd claim over an opinion, not a fact. The President in charge of foreign policy and his opinion controls under the Constitution. To boot, Zelensky was extremely pleased with the call.

...

Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump stated that the Ukrainian Prosecutor Viktor Shokin was caused to be fired in March 2016 by Joe Biden for investigating Burisma and his son Hunter.

Post Evidence: Ukrainian activist Daria Kaleniuk said Shokin “had not been investigating” Burisma, and, according to the Post, firing Shokin was a “diplomatic victory.”

Our Fact-Check: Kaleniuk is a Soros-funded Biden supporter and her opinion is suspect. She was correct that there was a stalled investigation, at least prior to December 2015. On December 9, 2015, the New York Times reported Shokin was now investigating Burisma. Soon, on February 4, 2016, Shokin raided the home of Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky. In response, Hunter Biden’s group lobbied the State Department, whose official Victoria Nuland then criticized Shokin. The United States policy was controlled by Secretary of State John Kerry, father of Hunter’s partner, and Joe Biden.

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Post Claim of Trump Lie: Trump said Hunter Biden visited China with his father in 2015 on Air Force Two, “walked away” with a “$1.5 billion investment for his fund” and “made millions.”

Post Evidence: Hunter Biden did not own any of the fund, BHR, and did not get his 10% equity until 2017. The capitalization of BHR was $3.4 million, so Hunter’s stake was worth only $340,000. He has not yet received compensation and there is no proof he landed $1.5 billion. According to the Post Biden had not yet been paid any compensation.

Our Fact-Check: Jonathan Li, head of BHR, a joint venture with the State-owned Bank of China, admitted he was raising $1.5 billion, very likely with the Bank’s support. Hunter Biden went on the Advisory Board twelve days after leaving China and the 2017 date of vesting conveniently coincided with his father’s departure from office, a fact that is inculpatory, not exculpatory. A 10% stake in a successful billion dollar-plus fund is extremely valuable, perhaps into the mid-eight figures. No one values an investment fund based on the value of its computers, furniture and other capital items. To say Biden made “millions” is an understatement.

So with these claims of "lies" not entirely correct, and who knows how many of the other 15K examples simply cases of "misleading", you'll forgive me if i don't find your argument persuasive.
 

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Reading and posting are two different things. And like I said recently I have not posted in here because it’s hard enough being a Buffalo Bills fan on the New England Patriots forum as it is.

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That’s a really nice twist but what Bill O’Reilly asked Donald Trump was why was he sending Giuliani to Ukraine to talk to the president after Trump told the president of Ukraine that he was sending Giuliani. By the way, Giuliani went over there after he joined the Trump team, also. If I’m not mistaken, his last trip was this past December

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Why, because I hate Donald Trump or because I pointed out that the FISA warrants case was still under investigation. Are you telling me I don’t have the freedom to hate Donald Trump? I love slayer. If you hate slayer should I hate you back?

Hating Trump has nothing to do with it and you actually would be quite surprised at the number of right leaning posters here that share your distaste. No, it’s because of your ideology...you’re a Commie scumbag and your analogy is childish. Does that clear it up or would you like to insult my intelligence some more with some ORANGEMANBAD!!1! type comparables?
 

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Just Gary Holt laying it out there. :)


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Proof most do or are you assuming? I won’t say that is right or wrong but can’t say that for sure.

40% approval, lost the popular vote

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Over 15,000 lies?

Here's what you posted in that regard.



So saying something "misleading" is a now classified as a "lie"?

Cool story bro. I think my dad beat my ass for "misleading statements" more than few

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Hating Trump has nothing to do with it and you actually would be quite surprised at the number of right leaning posters here that share your distaste. No, it’s because of your ideology...you’re a Commie scumbag and your analogy is childish. Does that clear it up or would you like to insult my intelligence some more with some ORANGEMANBAD!!1! type comparables?

You insult your own intelligence by your lust for the bad orangeman. One day, the light will go on for you
 

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His approval rate is at 42-43%.
Not sure if all 57-58% who disapprove hate him, but from what I’ve observed, a huge chunk certainly do.


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And his handling of this pandemic sure hasn't won him anyone's affection. Its sickening to watch that drone mumble on during these covid-19 pep rallies all the while filling the American public with line after line of bull shit. The number of Americans that hate him is growing dam near as fast as this virus is spreading.
 

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My point is, you cannot possibly compare Trump's lying to anyone else. It's like trying to compare Niagara Falls to a drippy faucet.

As far as shredding this country, let's see, where shall I begin?? Well, we don't give a crap about nature anymore since Trump has rolled back over 80 protective regulations, most recently rolling back fuel efficiency standards.

Are you suggesting that any and all environmental regulations are by definition "proper and good"?

OK, here's a hypothetical.

A POTUS, in the next 2 years, simply bans all use of fossil fuels.

Is that a good thing?

Saint Greta would certainly approve.

But since ~80% of the energy the US uses comes from fossil fuels that would make the recent economic downturn due to COVID-19 look like the DotCom bubble.

People would die because nothing could be transported in this country.

I'd say that's a bad regulation, but hey, that's just how I roll.

Am I suggesting that what ever regulations Trump rolled back are to the same degree as this?

Of course not, but I brought it up to illustrate a point. One must consider the cost and the benefit of any given regulation.

How do the regulations rolled back by Trump stack up in that category?

That is a worthwhile discussion to have and reasonable people can disagree on the topic.

But that's not what you did. You essentially stated that those 80 regulations are essential, hence one can only "care about the environment" if one embraced them.

The cost and benefit never even came up.

His mere presence has destroyed years-long friendships and families.

Huh? So you're saying that because people disagree about him that is "destroying" families and relationships?

Hell Red Sox and Yankees have been doing that for a 100 odd years in Connecticut, but I digress.

So you're saying that people feel so strongly about him that they will distance themselves for friends and family that don't think the same about him?

That's his fault?

You don't think the individuals involved have even the teeny tiniest part to play in that?

Oh and let me ask you one simple thing.

What would you suggest is the distribution as to which party decided an opinion about Trump was the non-negotiable item? Opposed or in favor?

Other countries are limiting associations with us and yes, that's a bad thing to come between our alllies.

So who exactly is cheesed off at us?

Our NATO allies for being hounded to meet the military spending targets they promised they would?

Yeah, how horrible of us.

His attacks on anyone that doesn't agree with him set an example that you can see everywhere you look. See families and friendships above.

Of course, every other politician hugs their opposites and sings Kum Ba yah with them. Not a single one "attacks" their opponents.

America is supposed to be the beacon in the light, not the laughing stock. The nation that sets higher standards, not lower. The leader of the free world, most powerful seat in the world should have standards, dignity, and morals

I'm going to leave this one to the Baron, it's right up his wheel house. :coffee:

- like Republicans once embraced, not brag of a love affair with a N. Korean dictator that made him look stupid and coddle up to our number 1 enemy while disrespecting his own Nation Security.

Look, you clearly haven't been paying attention to Trump's SOP. He's been doing this since he was doing real estate deals in NYC.

Everything is about "the deal". Everything is a negotiation.

As part of that he describes the other person in the negotiation in one of two ways: They are either the utter scum of the earth, or their the virtual second coming of Jesus. There's no middle ground.

Which one he chooses at any given moment depends on which he thinks will help him in the negotiation.

Now, one can not be a fan of such behavior, but it has the advantage of being transparent.

Stop and think about Kim for a moment. He went from "little rocket man" to being praised by Trump.

The first was an example of the scum of the earth bin, the other the latter.

Oh, and just a casual perusal of US history will show various US officials saying "nice" things about truly the scum of the earth. It's called diplomacy.

And let me just talk about the Mueller Report, since it came up on here. The Mueller Report wasn't a fail. The Democrats did what they always do and pussied out because it didn't make an easy case. Democrats don't like working hard. They want everything to just happen with minimal effort. I read the Mueller Report, Every page.

The only thing that stopped the report from filing charges was the DOJ Opinion on indicting a sitting President.

Uh no.

As Mueller clarified(?) in his Congressional testimony is that they never even determined if he could be charged.

"Was there sufficient evidence to convict President Trump or anyone else with obstruction of justice?" Buck asked.

"We did not make that calculation," Mueller said, citing the OLC opinion.

Now I don't know how you can spin "not making that calculation" to mean that they were ready to make the charge.

One would think that a precursor to making any charge was the "calculation" regarding such a charge.

So as a minimum, I would consider your claim to be, shall we say "misleading"? :coffee:

It detailed this, explicitly just like it detailed the Trump campaign not helping, but not stopping Russian interference in the election, knowing it would benefit Trump. Again, it went through of it in detail. 418 pages worth.

OK wait, just what the frack was the Trump campaign supposed to do to "stop" Russian interference?

Were they supposed to get the CIA/NSA/FBI to do something? No, I'm pretty sure that's the responsibility of whomever the POTUS is.

Were they supposed to get Facebook to stop running add bought by Russians?

OK, if one supposes that's their responsibility, just how the frack do they do that?

Tell me, what were they supposed to do to stop Russian interference?

But because Mueller didn't do the dirty work for them, the Democrats shrivelled up, as they do. And that's why they'll probably lose in November. Not because Trump is some great choice, but because they don't have the spines to fight just as dirty as the Republicans do

Oh, and I've been here for almost 10 years

Yeah, it's not like the Democrats would be willing to hire a foreign national to dig up dirt on their opponent and then feed that to the various Intelligence services to run an intelligence op on the opposition campaign. They're too "nice" :shake:

Oh and if the behavior of Numes is your definition of "shriveling up" I sure as shite would hate to see what standing tall would look like.
 

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We're testing a TB vaccine as well:
Explainer: How an Old Tuberculosis Vaccine Might Help Fight the New Coronavirus
April 2, 2020

BY LISA RAPAPORT

(Reuters) - There is no vaccine against the novel coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2, that is spreading rapidly around the world. But scientists in several countries are testing a century-old tuberculosis (TB) vaccine to see if it might boost the immune system to reduce respiratory symptoms in people who get new coronavirus infections.

Researchers in Australia and Europe are testing whether the Bacille Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine, introduced in the 1920s to fight tuberculosis, might be deployed to combat COVID-19, the respiratory disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Clinical trials are focused on two groups at high-risk for COVID-19: health care workers and the elderly.

Here is what scientists know, and what they are trying to find out:

HOW CAN A TB VACCINE HELP WITH OTHER INFECTIONS?

The BCG vaccine contains a live but weakened strain of tuberculosis bacteria that provokes the body to develop antibodies to attack TB bacteria. This is called an adaptive immune response, because the body develops a defense against a specific disease-causing microorganism, or pathogen, after encountering it. Most vaccines create an adaptive immune response to a single pathogen.

Unlike other vaccines, the BCG vaccine may also boost the innate immune system, first-line defenses that keep a variety of pathogens from entering the body or from establishing an infection. One study in Guinea-Bissau found 50% lower mortality rates in children vaccinated with BCG than in kids who did not get this vaccine. That is a much bigger drop in deaths than could be explained by a reduction in TB cases. Some studies have found similar reductions in respiratory infections among teens and the elderly.

WHAT SCIENTISTS DO NOT KNOW

Scientists do not have data yet on the effect of BCG vaccination on coronaviruses in general or SARS-CoV-2 in particular.

There are also many BCG vaccines, with different capacities to protect against various TB strains. Scientists need to determine which BCG vaccines might have the best ability to boost the innate immune system to fight COVID-19.

WHO SHOULD GET THE BCG VACCINE RIGHT NOW?

Scientists say it will take several months to get results from trials testing the BCG vaccine to fight COVID-19. In the meantime, people should not rush to get it because it has not been widely tested in adults and might be harmful. Also, a run on the BCG vaccine to fight COVID-19 might cause shortages for children who need it to prevent TB.

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And his handling of this pandemic sure hasn't won him anyone's affection. Its sickening to watch that drone mumble on during these covid-19 pep rallies all the while filling the American public with line after line of bull shit. The number of Americans that hate him is growing dam near as fast as this virus is spreading.

Actually, his poll numbers have gone UP during all this which is why certain networks won't cover his press briefings any longer.
 

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Hating Trump has nothing to do with it and you actually would be quite surprised at the number of right leaning posters here that share your distaste. No, it’s because of your ideology...you’re a Commie scumbag and your analogy is childish. Does that clear it up or would you like to insult my intelligence some more with some ORANGEMANBAD!!1! type comparables?

Dude, IMHO that was unnecessary.

You're doing the very same thing the OrangeManBad crowd does.

Claiming you know exactly what the other guy is thinking and thus what they meant, not willing to consider that your perception is not, in fact, reality.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who loathe Trump that are not "commie scumbags".

This country has been suffering from POTUS Derangement Syndrome for as long as I can remember, and I can remember JFK's funeral.
 

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And his handling of this pandemic sure hasn't won him anyone's affection. Its sickening to watch that drone mumble on during these covid-19 pep rallies all the while filling the American public with line after line of bull shit. The number of Americans that hate him is growing dam near as fast as this virus is spreading.

But his ratings are epic....
 

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Are you suggesting that any and all environmental regulations are by definition "proper and good"?

OK, here's a hypothetical.

A POTUS, in the next 2 years, simply bans all use of fossil fuels.

Is that a good thing?

Saint Greta would certainly approve.

But since ~80% of the energy the US uses comes from fossil fuels that would make the recent economic downturn due to COVID-19 look like the DotCom bubble.

People would die because nothing could be transported in this country.

I'd say that's a bad regulation, but hey, that's just how I roll.

Am I suggesting that what ever regulations Trump rolled back are to the same degree as this?

Of course not, but I brought it up to illustrate a point. One must consider the cost and the benefit of any given regulation.

How do the regulations rolled back by Trump stack up in that category?

That is a worthwhile discussion to have and reasonable people can disagree on the topic.

But that's not what you did. You essentially stated that those 80 regulations are essential, hence one can only "care about the environment" if one embraced them.

The cost and benefit never even came up.



Huh? So you're saying that because people disagree about him that is "destroying" families and relationships?

Hell Red Sox and Yankees have been doing that for a 100 odd years in Connecticut, but I digress.

So you're saying that people feel so strongly about him that they will distance themselves for friends and family that don't think the same about him?

That's his fault?

You don't think the individuals involved have even the teeny tiniest part to play in that?

Oh and let me ask you one simple thing.

What would you suggest is the distribution as to which party decided an opinion about Trump was the non-negotiable item? Opposed or in favor?



So who exactly is cheesed off at us?

Our NATO allies for being hounded to meet the military spending targets they promised they would?

Yeah, how horrible of us.



Of course, every other politician hugs their opposites and sings Kum Ba yah with them. Not a single one "attacks" their opponents.



I'm going to leave this one to the Baron, it's right up his wheel house. :coffee:



Look, you clearly haven't been paying attention to Trump's SOP. He's been doing this since he was doing real estate deals in NYC.

Everything is about "the deal". Everything is a negotiation.

As part of that he describes the other person in the negotiation in one of two ways: They are either the utter scum of the earth, or their the virtual second coming of Jesus. There's no middle ground.

Which one he chooses at any given moment depends on which he thinks will help him in the negotiation.

Now, one can not be a fan of such behavior, but it has the advantage of being transparent.

Stop and think about Kim for a moment. He went from "little rocket man" to being praised by Trump.

The first was an example of the scum of the earth bin, the other the latter.

Oh, and just a casual perusal of US history will show various US officials saying "nice" things about truly the scum of the earth. It's called diplomacy.



Uh no.

As Mueller clarified(?) in his Congressional testimony is that they never even determined if he could be charged.

"Was there sufficient evidence to convict President Trump or anyone else with obstruction of justice?" Buck asked.

"We did not make that calculation," Mueller said, citing the OLC opinion.

Now I don't know how you can spin "not making that calculation" to mean that they were ready to make the charge.

One would think that a precursor to making any charge was the "calculation" regarding such a charge.

So as a minimum, I would consider your claim to be, shall we say "misleading"? :coffee:



OK wait, just what the frack was the Trump campaign supposed to do to "stop" Russian interference?

Were they supposed to get the CIA/NSA/FBI to do something? No, I'm pretty sure that's the responsibility of whomever the POTUS is.

Were they supposed to get Facebook to stop running add bought by Russians?

OK, if one supposes that's their responsibility, just how the frack do they do that?

Tell me, what were they supposed to do to stop Russian interference?



Yeah, it's not like the Democrats would be willing to hire a foreign national to dig up dirt on their opponent and then feed that to the various Intelligence services to run an intelligence op on the opposition campaign. They're too "nice" :shake:

Oh and if the behavior of Numes is your definition of "shriveling up" I sure as shite would hate to see what standing tall would look like.

All I see here is a whole bunch of neurotic excuse-making for why you think I'm wrong about hating Trump. And you still don't get it. I don't like Democrats either. And I'm not enamored by the Republicans anymore.

And then you're going to try and tell me that there's a difference between lying and misleading? Newsflash, Toto. They're both examples of dishonesty. Seriously, you're just wasting your time, jerking yourself off over someone that doesn't give 2 shits about you OR me.

That's what you Trumptards need to get through your jaded, thick skulls. Outside of your fervently waving his stupid MAGA hats, he doesn't fucking like you. I had some farmer today telling me how Trump is "one of us." What!!?? The hell he is. Trump wouldn't ring that guy's doorbell if needed a place to take a shit in the middle of the night. One of us. Trump considers himself one of the elites. NOT one of the people.

It's mind-blowing how dumb you people are. So keep making excuses for him cause it makes you feel better. Keep trying to accuse me of being a "commie" or whatever the hell turns you on.
 

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Unpossible, that never happens here :coffee:

HipCat may be on to something, clearly Trump destroyed this weeks-long thread :coffee:

Well, it's not as though there's a thread already in existence on Trump. I supposed we should cut him some slack. :coffee:
 

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40% approval, lost the popular vote

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Cool story bro. I think my dad beat my ass for "misleading statements" more than few

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You insult your own intelligence by your lust for the bad orangeman. One day, the light will go on for you

Typical reply to a FACT STREWN post. Just wise ass snark.

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And his handling of this pandemic sure hasn't won him anyone's affection. Its sickening to watch that drone mumble on during these covid-19 pep rallies all the while filling the American public with line after line of bull shit. The number of Americans that hate him is growing dam near as fast as this virus is spreading.

His approval continues to climb.
 

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I can’t wait til November. Living in this liberal dump there’s gonna be people holding their heads, running out into traffic, screaming “But the polls! THE POLLS!!!!”

I’ve mentioned it before, the last American Horror Story season I watched full was The Cult. Takeoff on Trump elected. Phenomenal! I can envision it happening just like that, with mayhem in the streets.
 
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