Coronavirus

[O.Z.O.]

That's almost as hilarious as watching a king Don pep rally. They should air them on comedy central.

Just for the record I haven't pushed anyone forward and never voted for Obama either. I've simply called a liar a liar..can't help it if you don't like the truth!

here we have a guy who is apparently an original member of this forum. Has 3300 posts in 13 years- that's an average of 21 a month. But...manages to find his ORANGEMANBAD!!1! voice real easily.

You're side is losing buddy...losing bad too regardless of whether or not you want to accept it. Like Dwight said, enjoy the next 4 1/2 years. Don't bother responding though, you're on ignore with all the other Commies and those who think the difference between Capitalism and Socialist economic slavery is merely a "difference of opinion".

 

[Baron Samedi]

How about Schiffty coming out with a statement and investigation about how Trump ignored the WHO and other "science" warnings about Covid-19? ROFL

That's pretty good, considering Trump was getting railed for banning flights from China in January, while the WHO was saying it isn't transmissable from one human to another, and the democrats were doing impeachment, and pointing to the China travel ban as proof of his racism and how he was overreacting just because he's a racist, and one or two of them mentioned it as further examples of "abuse of power", remember?

In fact....the democrats should be investigating themselves for ignoring the Coronavirus threat through the entire month of January and most of February.

Hell, if it were up to them, we'd be having 5000 witnesses running through the senate right now, instead of addressing Covid-19. Remember?

I love this new push by the dems for the 4th bill, too...the "Keep everyone on unemployment until after election day" bill.

 

[king of kings]

Diogenes walks right past you.

It's the my party is superior then yours augment. So I'm right your wrong . Nothing you say with change it. popcorn

 

[AkPatsFan]

Wasn't the original death toll supposed to be somewhere around 2.5 million, then reduced down to 250,000? Well, apparently it's been reduced again.

The model, from the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington, now projects 81,766 deaths in the United States through Aug. 1, with most of the fatalities occurring by the middle of May. The IHME team projected a range of between 49,431 and 136,401 for the same period.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/white-house-coronavirus-projections-model-fatalities-deaths/

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Wasn't the original death toll supposed to be somewhere around 2.5 million, then reduced down to 250,000? Well, apparently it's been reduced again.



https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/white-house-coronavirus-projections-model-fatalities-deaths/

What’s the projected influenza total?

 

[AkPatsFan]

Estimated death toll from influenza is 24,000 – 63,000 flu deaths in the US. Compare that to the 10,377 of Covid-19 deaths in the US thus far.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

 

[Mr NFLfan]

Did any of you wonder what the death toll for the flu would be if you had stay at home orders on during flu season? I'm guessing it would be far lower than 24-63k

 

[O_P_T]

Ditto

Here's an interesting read. I realize its not your favorite Trump felatio network (fox news) Doesn't appear trump really cared about shortage or mask to me?

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireS...2hqLhoH3AolXHF5Ajrgp5usDBtNm4Ng2SWnQEB3ki2YgA

Trump spent January and February playing down the threat from the new virus. He derided warnings of pandemic reaching the U.S. as a hoax perpetrated by Democrats and the media. As the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a global public health emergency on Jan. 30, Trump assured the American people that the virus was “very well under control” and he predicted “a very good ending."

His administration was so confident that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced on Feb. 7 that the government had airlifted nearly 18 tons of donated respirator masks, surgical masks, gowns and other medical supplies to China.

At the start of the crisis, an HHS spokeswoman said the Strategic National Stockpile had about 13 million N95 respirator masks,

Do you suppose these were the same mask you claim Obama gave away and Trump had no idea were gone? Sure doesn't sound that way to me. If the federal stockpile was so depleted where did these come from and why was he sending them to china?



But Its all Obama fault

OK Dr. Fauci is quoted on January 21st as saying the following.

“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,”​

Then on February 29th he was interviewed on the Today Show

The key point starts at about 2:45, where he's asked if people should stop going to malls, be out in crowds, etc.

He says no and the web page has the following summary of whole interview.

Dr. Fauci on coronavirus fears: No need to change lifestyle yet​

So, the person who is supposedly an expert on this topic is saying in January that it's not a major threat to the US and on February 29th that people don't need to do anything different, just who's advice was Trump ignoring?

So, if your suggestion that Trump was reckless in his behavior prior to the end of February, then one of the following is true.

1. Fauci lied in both interviews, which means anything he says now should be called into question.
2. Fauci isn't as knowledgeable as he's presented to be, which means absolutely anything he says now should be called into question.
3. Fauci was wrong and/or didn't have enough data to give an accurate prediction and gave bad advice to Trump.

For the record, I'd go with the not enough data and so gave bad advice option.

It happens.

 

[O_P_T]

Did any of you wonder what the death toll for the flu would be if you had stay at home orders on during flu season? I'm guessing it would be far lower than 24-63k

Yeah, stay at home orders every fucking winter, that would be fucking awesome for the economy.

Gee, why haven't we done this yet?

 

[AkPatsFan]

Did any of you wonder what the death toll for the flu would be if you had stay at home orders on during flu season? I'm guessing it would be far lower than 24-63k

Yes, you are.

 

[Mr NFLfan]

Yes, you are.

Well unless each of these viruses are handled in the same manner its useless to compare death tolls.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Well unless each of these viruses are handled in the same manner its useless to compare death tolls.

No response to OPT?

Ostrich.

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[PatsFan09]

Well unless each of these viruses are handled in the same manner its useless to compare death tolls.

Don’t worry about AK; he can’t actually debate.
He recently called me unAmerican because I dislike Trump.
Such brilliance.


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[Mr NFLfan]

Yeah, stay at home orders every fucking winter, that would be fucking awesome for the economy.

Gee, why haven't we done this yet?

I think you missed my point. I've seen a few post at the beginning of this tread topic with a lot of people comparing this to the season flu death toll and again in the last few post. 24k-63k. The last figure I saw here for covid-19 had some down playing this down to around 84k now.
I believe were a little over 10k now with the "experts saying the next two weeks to be the 9/11 time. Even if we top out at 50k we've spent 3 weeks now with social distancing and stay at home orders to keep it at 50k. What do you think those numbers would look like had we just went about life as we do with the seasonal flu? Could they be double or triple that? Of coarse we don't know that yet and we probably won't for some time. I myself tend to think had we not done these things we would see a death toll many of us have never seen before. At the present rate of infection we've over whelmed the health care system as it is so we'd be more like Italy with Dr's playing god deciding who to try and save and who dies by themselves in some death staging area. We've a ways to go yet to get over the hump but we've not seen the last of this virus. Down the road when medicine and science get a
chance to crack a treatment or vaccine things won't have to be shut down.
So for now comparing the two is more apples to oranges

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No response to OPT?

Ostrich.

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Why don't you go sit in the bleaches i suggest the cheer leading section.

 

[Mr NFLfan]

OK Dr. Fauci is quoted on January 21st as saying the following.

“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,”​

Then on February 29th he was interviewed on the Today Show

The key point starts at about 2:45, where he's asked if people should stop going to malls, be out in crowds, etc.

He says no and the web page has the following summary of whole interview.

Dr. Fauci on coronavirus fears: No need to change lifestyle yet​

So, the person who is supposedly an expert on this topic is saying in January that it's not a major threat to the US and on February 29th that people don't need to do anything different, just who's advice was Trump ignoring?

So, if your suggestion that Trump was reckless in his behavior prior to the end of February, then one of the following is true.

1. Fauci lied in both interviews, which means anything he says now should be called into question.
2. Fauci isn't as knowledgeable as he's presented to be, which means absolutely anything he says now should be called into question.
3. Fauci was wrong and/or didn't have enough data to give an accurate prediction and gave bad advice to Trump.

For the record, I'd go with the not enough data and so gave bad advice option.

It happens.

Did you happen to see last night covid-19 pep rally? Did you see trump pimping the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine saying why not and how it couldn't hurt? Not true with certain conditions it can kill you. Anyway after
Trump finished and Dr Fauci stepped to the podium a reporter began to ask him his opinion on this drugs effectiveness and Trump cut off the reporter and refused to let Dr. Fauci answer the question. Its real obvious who is working the strings on these puppets. I think Trump controls it all including his medical experts. When they don't speak trump speak they seem to disappear from the pep rallies. Today I saw an interview with Fauci saying in preliminary test they have not shown any effectiveness against Covid-19. I've felt Fauci has been on thin ice with this task force team because he doesn't always seem to fall in line and i've noticed he's very calculated with his responses.

 

[tehmackdaddy]

Did you happen to see last night covid-19 pep rally? Did you see trump pimping the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine saying why not and how it couldn't hurt? Not true with certain conditions it can kill you. Anyway after
Trump finished and Dr Fauci stepped to the podium a reporter began to ask him his opinion on this drugs effectiveness and Trump cut off the reporter and refused to let Dr. Fauci answer the question. Its real obvious who is working the strings on these puppets. I think Trump controls it all including his medical experts. When they don't speak trump speak they seem to disappear from the pep rallies. Today I saw an interview with Fauci saying in preliminary test they have not shown any effectiveness against Covid-19. I've felt Fauci has been on thin ice with this task force team because he doesn't always seem to fall in line and i've noticed he's very calculated with his responses.

What drug is considered most effective at fighting Covid-19 across the world?

Whoops. I forgot the link.

 

[Mr NFLfan]

survivors

What drug is considered most effective at fighting Covid-19 across the world?

As far as I know there isn't any known yet. The only thing right now is mitigation just what were doing. I believe they have started drawing plasma from covid-19 survivors to be used in transfusions for the antibodies these peoples immune systems have developed but this has just begun in a very limited basis. I believe this technique was previously used on ebola patients with some success.


didn't see your link till after i posted. I didn't see in that article any data on effectiveness rates only what Dr's. want to prescribe. Really didn't have any data or studies to conclude its effectiveness. Considered and proven are two entirely different things.

 

[tehmackdaddy]

survivors

As far as I know there isn't any known yet. The only thing right now is mitigation just what were doing. I believe they have started drawing plasma from covid-19 survivors to be used in transfusions for the antibodies these peoples immune systems have developed but this has just begun in a very limited basis. I believe this technique was previously used on ebola patients with some success.


didn't see your link till after i posted. I didn't see in that article any data on effectiveness rates only what Dr's. want to prescribe. Really didn't have any data or studies to conclude its effectiveness. Considered and proven are two entirely different things.

Correct.

We don't currently have the luxury of waiting for years-long, double blind studies to prove efficacy. What we have right now is word on the ground from actual physicians, worldwide, who believe in prescribing this medication.

Yet, instead of acknowledging this, you'd rather believe Fauci is some puppet and Trump some puppeteer. Even though evidence is abundantly to the contrary.

What Trump is "pimping" is nothing other than hope. Hydroxychloriquine is one possible solution to this problem. And it is not without merit.

"OH MY GOSH! A PRESIDENT TRYING TO BRING HOPE TO THE PEOPLE HE LEADS! SOMEBODY STOP THIS MADMAN!"

 

[Mr NFLfan]

Correct.

We don't currently have the luxury of waiting for years-long, double blind studies to prove efficacy. What we have right now is word on the ground from actual physicians, worldwide, who believe in prescribing this medication.

Yet, instead of acknowledging this, you'd rather believe Fauci is some puppet and Trump some puppeteer. Even though evidence is abundantly to the contrary.

What Trump is "pimping" is nothing other than hope. Hydroxychloriquine is one possible solution to this problem. And it is not without merit.

"OH MY GOSH! A PRESIDENT TRYING TO BRING HOPE TO THE PEOPLE HE LEADS! SOMEBODY STOP THIS MADMAN!"

The link you sent said most of these Dr's are prescribing this to people who are the most seriously ill. I don't have a problem with that but given that there still should be some data as to its effectiveness with in that group. yet i didn't see anything? 5% 10 % 50% ???? Without any data how can you call that hope. There has to be some data out there even a short list so where is it? Some data even a small sample size would be hope instead of hot air.

Oh I'm sure Fauci is being censored I saw that last night with my own two eyes...weren't you watching that shit show called a briefing? Haven't any of you forever Trumpers been watching these clown shows? Just look at his administration its been a turn style with trumps main focus on loyalty not honesty. There's been more turn over in 3+ years than the NY subway Do you think Fauci wants to see a 30 year career destroyed by a president known for that very thing? Don't fool yourself Donnie's pulling all the strings and its as plain as the nose on ones face.

I heard him say he took over a system that the cupboard was bare and had a broken testing system that didn't work? How would the system he inherited
Have a testing system for a virus that has never been seen before? He just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper every day. He doesn't know when to shut up.

Frankly I'm surprised the press hasn't just boycotted these useless briefings. Some of the major TV stations have stopped covering them and I don't know why the rest don't follow.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Did you happen to see last night covid-19 pep rally? Did you see trump pimping the anti-malarial drug Hydroxychloroquine saying why not and how it couldn't hurt? Not true with certain conditions it can kill you. Anyway after
Trump finished and Dr Fauci stepped to the podium a reporter began to ask him his opinion on this drugs effectiveness and Trump cut off the reporter and refused to let Dr. Fauci answer the question. Its real obvious who is working the strings on these puppets. I think Trump controls it all including his medical experts. When they don't speak trump speak they seem to disappear from the pep rallies. Today I saw an interview with Fauci saying in preliminary test they have not shown any effectiveness against Covid-19. I've felt Fauci has been on thin ice with this task force team because he doesn't always seem to fall in line and i've noticed he's very calculated with his responses.

You are so uninformed.

There’s multiple Drs in multiple countries - the first over in France that’s treated over 1000- with this drug having incredible success rates. There’s a house representative crediting Trump approving the drug and it saving her life.

It was on Hannity Tonite. Dr Oz is a regular lately and he’s cited the French Dr for weeks now.
You really should turn away from CNN once in a while.

TDS.