Harvard "CHEMTRAIL" Program...

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So, anyway, as I head out of work today, just one last thought...

The effect you're looking for is to release particles in the upper atmosphere that will remain aloft, and promote cloud formation through condensation. Preferably something photoreactive that will accelerate the process when struck by sunlight, and more inert in darkness, so that it will reflect sunlight during daylight, but allow heat to release in the evening. Otherwise, the clouds will trap heat in the evening, offsetting the benefits of the daytime.
 
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Heavy metals also increase fires...and trees tend to die from the inside out. But, "Climate Change" though. :coffee:

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180409103851.htm

Could increase wildfires? No, they absolutely are one of the culprits. Not the only factor involved, but, definitely one of them.
 

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Jeez...took me like 2 minutes...

Here is a report from 2006, referencing studies going back to 1996, or thereabouts...

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10584-006-9101-y.pdf

In the last 25 years, you've never heard of this? You thought this was some new idea from the last 5 years?

Second, your assumptions at the end;

First of all, once one puts something in the upper atmosphere, it will disperse. So it is physically impossible to put it over a limited geographical area and observe what happens below that area.

The only thing one could do, is put a limited amount of material in the upper atmosphere and then do measurements, for a very short period of time (i.e., before it disperses), to try and determine how much one has altered the albedo.


Factually untrue, which you would know if you read the studies. Don't get me wrong...I don't expect or require you to read them, I'm just saying you make assumptions which seem logical, but according to the science are not correct....at least...according to the scientists.

In fact, if that were true, clouds could not exist.

...while I have no experience with upper atmosphere stuff, I do have some experience with the effect of releasing aerosol agents in the lower atmosphere, and I know enough to say that depending on the factors involved...the agents used, whether there is an active chemical process, humidity, and a dozen other factors makes general assumptions about the effects of aerosols in the air impossible, and that the atmosphere itself has attributes that are not immediately obvious that affect dispersion.

:facepalm:

Ummmmmmmm what is the title of your link?

ALBEDO ENHANCEMENT BY STRATOSPHERIC SULFUR INJECTIONS: A CONTRIBUTION TO RESOLVE A POLICY DILEMMA?​

And where is the Stratosphere?



And what is the troposphere?

The troposphere is the lowest layer of Earth's atmosphere, and is also where nearly all weather conditions take place.

All the geoengineering studies talk about putting stuff in the Stratosphere, for one very good reason.

It's above the weather and so won't get scrubbed out of the atmosphere by that weather.

And no, one can't keep anything "local" in the atmosphere, regardless of the altitude. Everything will disperse, the greater the concentration, the faster it does. Unless of course, you've got Maxwell's Demon doing double duty.

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You're either extremely naive, or, purposely shilling for whomever pays you. One or the other. Do they pay you well?

It's been happening for decades. It's well-known.








...this guy must have been trippin' balls:




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Contrails/vapor dosen't grey blue skies bub...they evaporate in the summer. Heavy metal nano dust does. You're just trying to cover it up...without any success though.
 

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Ummmmmmmm what is the title of your link?

ALBEDO ENHANCEMENT BY STRATOSPHERIC SULFUR INJECTIONS: A CONTRIBUTION TO RESOLVE A POLICY DILEMMA?​

And where is the Stratosphere?



And what is the troposphere?

The troposphere is the lowest layer of Earth's atmosphere, and is also where nearly all weather conditions take place.

All the geoengineering studies talk about putting stuff in the Stratosphere, for one very good reason.

It's above the weather and so won't get scrubbed out of the atmosphere by that weather.

And no, one can't keep anything "local" in the atmosphere, regardless of the altitude. Everything will disperse, the greater the concentration, the faster it does. Unless of course, you've got Maxwell's Demon doing double duty.

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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ibfxC9O8Fmo?controls=0" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

You're arguing points I never made now. In fact, you're arguing against points that YOU made.

I'm not the one who said particulates won't stay aloft....you are. I stated that some will remain for 30 days or so.

And I'm not sure why you're fixated on some local area. That's irrelevant. Albedo is measured by satellite, not from the ground. You just have to measure the amount of reflected light.
 

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You're arguing points I never made now. In fact, you're arguing against points that YOU made.

As usual, you don't know what you said.

~snip~

Second, your assumptions at the end;

First of all, once one puts something in the upper atmosphere, it will disperse. So it is physically impossible to put it over a limited geographical area and observe what happens below that area.

The only thing one could do, is put a limited amount of material in the upper atmosphere and then do measurements, for a very short period of time (i.e., before it disperses), to try and determine how much one has altered the albedo.


Factually untrue, which you would know if you read the studies. Don't get me wrong...I don't expect or require you to read them, I'm just saying you make assumptions which seem logical, but according to the science are not correct....at least...according to the scientists.

In fact, if that were true, clouds could not exist.

By definition clouds are in the troposphere, which is not the "upper atmosphere" That is the stratosphere.

I'm not the one who said particulates won't stay aloft....you are. I stated that some will remain for 30 days or so.

And I'm not sure why you're fixated on some local area. That's irrelevant. Albedo is measured by satellite, not from the ground. You just have to measure the amount of reflected light.

I didn't say they wouldn't stay aloft in the Stratosphere, I said they would "disperse".

As to why I "fixated" on a local area, the alternative is to effect the entire earth.

The fact that anything put in the Stratosphere will disperse to cover the globe means that you would have to put quite a bit of stuff up there to have any effect that would be measurable above the ambient noise fluctuation.

So I find it implausible that any such experiments were actually performed.

Besides, we don't have to perform experiments, the earth has already done it with the Tambora eruption of 1815.

1816 was known as "the year without summer" because of it.
 

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The fact that anything put in the Stratosphere will disperse to cover the globe means that you would have to put quite a bit of stuff up there to have any effect that would be measurable above the ambient noise fluctuation.

So I find it implausible that any such experiments were actually performed.

Besides, we don't have to perform experiments, the earth has already done it with the Tambora eruption of 1815.

1816 was known as "the year without summer" because of it.


Yeah...that's the point.

They're looking for a solution to Global Warming, so you need a Global Solution.
 

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Yeah...that's the point.

They're looking for a solution to Global Warming, so you need a Global Solution.

:spock:

So you accept that it would have to be a global experiment, yet you said this.

I don't believe for a second that after 15 years of funding and research that they haven't run some physical tests.

You're actually suggesting that someone would authorize something that could have the impact of Tambora, or worse, as a "test"?

:high:

And if they did such a thing, how come we haven't noticed it?

That's why I was talking about a localized test. It's one thing to run an experiment that will effect a small area, to gauge how the technique works. If it goes sideways, that may not be so bad.

But to do an experiment that impacts the entire globe?

No frackin way.

The simple fact of the matter is that one cannot do an experiment in the atmosphere without dispersing an aerosol in the stratosphere, and one cannot do that, and obtain any useful results, without involving the whole planet.

So no, the simple fact of the matter that people have been writing papers on geoengineering for any period of time says nothing about if an atmospheric experiment has or has not taken place.

Oh wait, i'm sure you'll find some link someplace that says something (you think) to support your position, and that will be the site that has "The Truth" and all the others are of course simply misinformation.
 
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I first noticed the chemtrails back in the late 1990's...but, they've been experimenting with them for decades before that.
 
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