Jakobi Meyers to the Raiders

[John Locke]

Tesla's are very impressive automobiles, aren't they? Mind blowing acceleration and so quiet you can hear a pin drop.

And almost as sexy as my beautiful Scillian friend who has me always wanting a Ferrari. 😂

Yes, extremely impressive.

 

[John Locke]

The performance is fantastic. I’ve never driven, but I’ve ridden in several. And it’s not just straight acceleration either. They corner like on rails.

But the tether to the electrical grid is a deal killer for me. At least, as long as I would need to use the Tesla as something more than a toy.

That's something that impressed me about the Tesla, it's corning and handling. Having loved Vettes and American Muscle since I was a kid it was clear their straight line performance is off the charts but pale in comparison to the cornering of a Ferrari. A Tesla blows the Ferrari out of the water on handling, no small feat to be certain.

 

[aloyouis]

It's not a bad decision as long we get an upgrade.
Most often Meyers immediately went down after a catch rather than look for YAC. Many here commented about that and it was a frustrating habit the coaches couldn't correct.

Reports I've gotten the last few days have also included info on Jonnu. He had a difficult time with learning the options on the routes.
That makes sense and I always thought it because Jonnu was most often implicated when our receivers were spaced poorly or he actually bumped into them.

So frustrating to watch. Henry is probably doing back flips.

 

[Flagg the Wanderer]

Hypothetically, let's assume we have Meyers circa 2023, some other decent WRs, and a rookie that Belichick reached for in round 5. The rookie wasn't even invited to the combine, is rated 5.10 on NFL.com's 8 point scale where 5.5-5.6 is a priority UDFA. He's undersized at 5'10"/185, but both fast and quick, and just totally raw. The Pats' draft was graded a C+ by SI, and this rookie wasn't even named as a notable pick. The guy that fits that description, BTW? Tyreek Hill.

Meyers is great, I love the kid. The problem that someone like Meyers brings, especially when he has a tight relationship with the QB, is that he sucks up targets. He gets separation, has reliable hands. On a slant route designed to get 8 yards, you'll complete the pass 80% of the time and get 8 yards. But the kid who isn't getting the chance to run that route would get 70% completions. He'd get 8 yards 30% of the time, 10 yards 30% of the time, 15 yards 5% of the time, and 30+ yards 5% of the time.

"But for" Meyers, Bourne and Thornton would have gotten more reps, and more targets on the reps they got. Ben Coates was great for Bledsoe to have as a rookie, and maybe the next year or so. But after that he probably stunted Bledsoe's development, because he gave Bledsoe easy outs. If they trade for Hopkins, he's redundant. If they trade for Jeudy, you don't want Meyers stunting the development of that relationship with Mac, and you don't want him taking targets away from Jeudy. If you draft a WR1 this year, chances are it's a slot/quick guy, who would be competing directly against Meyers for snaps.

The Patriots have some very nice options at WR2/3/4. Bourne has barely scratched his potential - 2021 was closer to what I'd expect from him. Thornton is just learning to play the pro game, but can change a defense.

The reason the Patriots' offense under Brady worked wasn't just because they could roll up first downs, but because the people that they used to do it - Gronk, Edelman, etc. had the potential to pop a short gain into a big play at any time, and punished a defense both physically and mentally - any mistake in coverage was deadly, and any physical letdown after the catch was costly.

Every snap is an opportunity. Taking the 80% chance of 8 yards is always at the cost of the 90% 3 yard run, the slightly lower percentage of the 8 yards that breaks for more, or the 40% chance of hitting a deep corner. Meyers doesn't tax or exhaust a defense. He doesn't give you the benefit of any upside volatility around the results of the high-percentage passing plays.

If you don't have any upside volatility around the results of the high-percentage passing plays, you have to turn to lower percentage passing plays to try to get your chunk yardage. That was a big part of the problem with the offense in recent years. Bourne, Thornton, Jeudy, Hopkins, Henry getting more targets is a step to solving that. Almost any WR taking those 8 yard slants will provide more upside vol, and many of those will not lose you all that much in completion percentage. But if they don't get their chances, it doesn't matter.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I don't know if this article or source is true but if the Patriots only offered $12M total over 2 years, this is ridiculous and the front office no longer has credibility that they know what they are doing at the wide receiver position

Jakobi Meyers gets less than lateral offer from Patriots to stay in New England

Earlier today it was reported that Jakobi Meyers has agreed to a 3-year deal worth $33 million to join the Las Vegas Raiders. On Tuesday's Felger and Mazz, J-Stew's phone gave some details on what the New England Patriots offered to Meyers to stay with the team.

985thesportshub.com

 

[John Locke]

Hypothetically, let's assume we have Meyers circa 2023, some other decent WRs, and a rookie that Belichick reached for in round 5. The rookie wasn't even invited to the combine, is rated 5.10 on NFL.com's 8 point scale where 5.5-5.6 is a priority UDFA. He's undersized at 5'10"/185, but both fast and quick, and just totally raw. The Pats' draft was graded a C+ by SI, and this rookie wasn't even named as a notable pick. The guy that fits that description, BTW? Tyreek Hill.

Meyers is great, I love the kid. The problem that someone like Meyers brings, especially when he has a tight relationship with the QB, is that he sucks up targets. He gets separation, has reliable hands. On a slant route designed to get 8 yards, you'll complete the pass 80% of the time and get 8 yards. But the kid who isn't getting the chance to run that route would get 70% completions. He'd get 8 yards 30% of the time, 10 yards 30% of the time, 15 yards 5% of the time, and 30+ yards 5% of the time.

"But for" Meyers, Bourne and Thornton would have gotten more reps, and more targets on the reps they got. Ben Coates was great for Bledsoe to have as a rookie, and maybe the next year or so. But after that he probably stunted Bledsoe's development, because he gave Bledsoe easy outs. If they trade for Hopkins, he's redundant. If they trade for Jeudy, you don't want Meyers stunting the development of that relationship with Mac, and you don't want him taking targets away from Jeudy. If you draft a WR1 this year, chances are it's a slot/quick guy, who would be competing directly against Meyers for snaps.

The Patriots have some very nice options at WR2/3/4. Bourne has barely scratched his potential - 2021 was closer to what I'd expect from him. Thornton is just learning to play the pro game, but can change a defense.

The reason the Patriots' offense under Brady worked wasn't just because they could roll up first downs, but because the people that they used to do it - Gronk, Edelman, etc. had the potential to pop a short gain into a big play at any time, and punished a defense both physically and mentally - any mistake in coverage was deadly, and any physical letdown after the catch was costly.

Every snap is an opportunity. Taking the 80% chance of 8 yards is always at the cost of the 90% 3 yard run, the slightly lower percentage of the 8 yards that breaks for more, or the 40% chance of hitting a deep corner. Meyers doesn't tax or exhaust a defense. He doesn't give you the benefit of any upside volatility around the results of the high-percentage passing plays.

If you don't have any upside volatility around the results of the high-percentage passing plays, you have to turn to lower percentage passing plays to try to get your chunk yardage. That was a big part of the problem with the offense in recent years. Bourne, Thornton, Jeudy, Hopkins, Henry getting more targets is a step to solving that. Almost any WR taking those 8 yard slants will provide more upside vol, and many of those will not lose you all that much in completion percentage. But if they don't get their chances, it doesn't matter.

On Bourne I agree completely. As a friend in SF told me on acquiring him, he's a touchdown machine and way more.

We blew his potential last year.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I never gave much of a thought to a Tesla, just another ev to me. I have a buddy who said you ain't been in this thing bro.

He picked me up 2 days ago and just holy shit. I love high end, high performance cars like Vettes, have my whole life. And I have a deep affection for Italian high precision, high performance of Ferraris, as I've explained may have a bit to do with my deep affection for my beautiful friend of Sicilian desent. But my God, his Tesla blew my mind.

I've been fortunate to purchase two. Positives and negatives: compared to a gas car it's like going from AM radio to satellite radio, or a 1985 TV to ultra-HD big-screen TV. Gas cars feel primitive in comparison. EV acceleration is awesome. Handling is great. Also they have by far the best charging network of anyone. Miles ahead of anyone else in EV tech. There are negatives - interior trim isn't the greatest compared to other luxury vehicles. It's basically like a rocket ship toy. Also I don't like how the CEO's antics have spillover perception impact on car owners.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

On Bourne I agree completely. As a friend in SF told me on acquiring him, he's a touchdown machine and way more.

We blew his potential last year.

Bourne is awesome, has thousand yard WR potential talent

 

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[DropKickFlutie]

It's not a bad decision as long we get an upgrade.
Most often Meyers immediately went down after a catch rather than look for YAC. Many here commented about that and it was a frustrating habit the coaches couldn't correct.

Reports I've gotten the last few days have also included info on Jonnu. He had a difficult time with learning the options on the routes.
That makes sense and I always thought it because Jonnu was most often implicated when our receivers were spaced poorly or he actually bumped into them.

Ju Ju is also not good at YAC either and so the entire YAC argument about Meyers does not hold water. It was a nice try to try to defend the organization for a day though

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[aloyouis]

Ju Ju is also not good at YAC either and so the entire YAC argument about Meyers does not hold water. It was a nice try to try to defend the organization for a day though

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I bet if you won Mega Bucks you would bitch about the taxes.

 

[Big/Sky/Fly]

What I'm told is the Pats issue with Meyers is his lack of skills after the catch. The Pats want someone who can be more dynamic after the catch. A trade for a WR1 is expected.

Higgins! Make it happen...

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Higgins! Make it happen...

Bengals aren’t letting him go

 

[Big/Sky/Fly]

Bengals aren’t letting him go

They should...

 

[TommyD420]

Ju Ju is also not good at YAC either and so the entire YAC argument about Meyers does not hold water. It was a nice try to try to defend the organization for a day though

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This is just a falsehood on your part. It's nearly double.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

This is just a falsehood on your part. It's nearly double.
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Again why does YAC matter if JuJu’s average yards per catch is the same or lower than Jakobi Meyers? A guy who catches it at a higher rate at more depth (Meyers) is as valuable as a slow guy who catches it at 7 yards (at a lower catch rate) and has some YAC.

Secondly, if YAC were important to this team, they would have played Bourne and Jonnu Smith more, both of whom are great at YAC. So I call bullsh-t that the team cares about YAC.

 

[TommyD420]

Again why does YAC matter if JuJu’s average yards per catch is the same or lower than Jakobi Meyers? A guy who catches it at a higher rate at more depth (Meyers) is as valuable as a slow guy who catches it at 7 yards (at a lower catch rate) and has some YAC.

Secondly, if YAC were important to this team, they would have played Bourne and Jonnu Smith more, both of whom are great at YAC. So I call bullsh-t that the team cares about YAC.

Meyers doesn't catch it at a higher rate. His Catch % was 69% last year, Smith-Schuster was 77.2%, career highs in both cases. What are you even talking about?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Meyers doesn't catch it at a higher rate. His Catch % was 69% last year, Smith-Schuster was 77.2%, career highs in both cases. What are you even talking about?

OK you're right. Mahomes’ season with him bumped it up. His prior 4 seasons were poor at 53%, 75%, 60%, 66% catch rate. Not good. Point still stands that he’s not a better receiver than Jakobi Meyers is, just has more pedigree. He’s also had far worse seasons than Meyers had. 2 straight years averaging 8 yards per catch was terrible. JuJu isn’t fast

 

[3 Point Stan]

 

[chevss454]

Everyone is missing the biggest stat where Juju is better. TDs!! for God's sake.

29 in 6 years vs 8 in 4 for Jakobi.

They're very similar players but Juju gets open in the EZ.
What was our biggest issue on O last year? RZ production. He'll help that an awful lot.

Now we need our WR1.