Don't kill the messenger. I don't want him but as RKK says, it's up to Bill.
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Lamar Wants To Be A Patriot
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No way are we trading two first rounders for that fragile guy.
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Which is why Lamar is asking for a trade now.
Bert Breer has followed K. Guregian's lead but doesn't give her credit for the story. Bert's a bad boy.
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No worries. Doubtful Lamar sits out a year.
From the Athletic
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The trade request was viewed as a bizarre play by rival team executives. Most notably, Jackson can sign an offer sheet with any team, and the Ravens can either match it to retain him or decline it and recoup two first-round picks from his new team. That essentially means he’s already a trade candidate, and he doesn’t need to seek permission or submit a request to execute such a move, especially since the price of a couple first-rounders is cheaper than what the Browns paid for Deshaun Watson and the Broncos gave up for Russell Wilson just last offseason.
GO DEEPER
Jones: With Lamar Jackson, NFL owners show it's control they care about the most
Furthering the strange turns of events, the NFL issued a memo to teams last week instructing them not to engage with Ken Francis, whom the league said was reaching out on Jackson’s behalf. Francis is not certified by the NFLPA, so he is not permitted to negotiate player contracts.
Jackson’s quest to land a long-term deal hasn’t worked out so far. He and the team haven’t reached an extension despite negotiating for much of the past two years.
Jackson, understandably, wants a heavily guaranteed contract in a similar ballpark as Watson’s five-year, $230 million pact. But team executives have consistently said a fully guaranteed deal won’t be replicated anytime soon, while even a heavily guaranteed deal will be challenging. Watson had all the leverage with a no-trade clause and eliminated the Browns from consideration before their aggressive push to change his mind.
To this point, that type of demand hasn’t existed for Jackson. That’s why the Ravens have stuck to their leverage point — the franchise tag — while hoping Jackson would lessen his demands as the process wore on.
By using the tag, the Ravens knew Jackson could gain a better sense of his market value because of his freedom to speak with other teams. It’s a standard play when teams are at an impasse with a player, and the goal is for both sides to return to the table with a clearer understanding of what the market believes said player is worth. Theoretically, this would help them find common ground on a new deal.
But Jackson’s situation is unique, and teams, so far, seem unwilling to negotiate with Jackson — whether that’s because they don’t want him or because they don’t want to do the heavy-lifting on a negotiation before the Ravens simply match the terms.
Either way, Jackson’s trade request might not get him any closer to a coveted extension. The Ravens have been steadfast to this point, knowing they’d recoup those first-round picks if Jackson landed an offer sheet that went beyond their means. From the other side, why would another team trade for Jackson when they could simply match his price point and sign him while yielding fewer picks that it required to land Watson or Wilson? Maybe the logic would be to acquire Jackson on the franchise tag and hope to use the next year — or two, if they tag him again in 2024 — to convince him to reduce his contractual demands. That’d be a risk for obvious reasons.
So with the Ravens unmotivated to trade Jackson and other teams so far unmotivated to make a move on Jackson, the two sides’ negotiations remain at a standstill.
That’s why his publicized trade request sent shock waves around the league. The fact that team didn’t know about it was yet another sign the Ravens are comfortable exercising their leverage while letting this continue to play out on their terms.
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Why Lamar Jackson's trade request likely won't change anything in stalemate with Ravens
That NFL teams had no idea Jackson requested a trade is a clear sign the Ravens are content to let the process play out on their terms.
theathletic.com
The trade request was viewed as a bizarre play by rival team executives. Most notably, Jackson can sign an offer sheet with any team, and the Ravens can either match it to retain him or decline it and recoup two first-round picks from his new team. That essentially means he’s already a trade candidate, and he doesn’t need to seek permission or submit a request to execute such a move, especially since the price of a couple first-rounders is cheaper than what the Browns paid for Deshaun Watson and the Broncos gave up for Russell Wilson just last offseason.
GO DEEPER
Jones: With Lamar Jackson, NFL owners show it's control they care about the most
Furthering the strange turns of events, the NFL issued a memo to teams last week instructing them not to engage with Ken Francis, whom the league said was reaching out on Jackson’s behalf. Francis is not certified by the NFLPA, so he is not permitted to negotiate player contracts.
Jackson’s quest to land a long-term deal hasn’t worked out so far. He and the team haven’t reached an extension despite negotiating for much of the past two years.
Jackson, understandably, wants a heavily guaranteed contract in a similar ballpark as Watson’s five-year, $230 million pact. But team executives have consistently said a fully guaranteed deal won’t be replicated anytime soon, while even a heavily guaranteed deal will be challenging. Watson had all the leverage with a no-trade clause and eliminated the Browns from consideration before their aggressive push to change his mind.
To this point, that type of demand hasn’t existed for Jackson. That’s why the Ravens have stuck to their leverage point — the franchise tag — while hoping Jackson would lessen his demands as the process wore on.
By using the tag, the Ravens knew Jackson could gain a better sense of his market value because of his freedom to speak with other teams. It’s a standard play when teams are at an impasse with a player, and the goal is for both sides to return to the table with a clearer understanding of what the market believes said player is worth. Theoretically, this would help them find common ground on a new deal.
But Jackson’s situation is unique, and teams, so far, seem unwilling to negotiate with Jackson — whether that’s because they don’t want him or because they don’t want to do the heavy-lifting on a negotiation before the Ravens simply match the terms.
Either way, Jackson’s trade request might not get him any closer to a coveted extension. The Ravens have been steadfast to this point, knowing they’d recoup those first-round picks if Jackson landed an offer sheet that went beyond their means. From the other side, why would another team trade for Jackson when they could simply match his price point and sign him while yielding fewer picks that it required to land Watson or Wilson? Maybe the logic would be to acquire Jackson on the franchise tag and hope to use the next year — or two, if they tag him again in 2024 — to convince him to reduce his contractual demands. That’d be a risk for obvious reasons.
So with the Ravens unmotivated to trade Jackson and other teams so far unmotivated to make a move on Jackson, the two sides’ negotiations remain at a standstill.
That’s why his publicized trade request sent shock waves around the league. The fact that team didn’t know about it was yet another sign the Ravens are comfortable exercising their leverage while letting this continue to play out on their terms.
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He may want to be a Patriot. That's flattering.
But he might have to think critically for this one-- if the Ravens don't want to pay you what you ask...
What makes you think the Patriots will?
But he might have to think critically for this one-- if the Ravens don't want to pay you what you ask...
What makes you think the Patriots will?
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Eric Wilbur says bring Lamar in if it makes the Pats relevant again.
If Lamar Jackson brings the Patriots back into the spotlight, it's worth whatever it takes
Lamar Jackson announced Monday that he had requested a trade from the Baltimore Ravens after failing to come to a long-term extension.
www.boston.com
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Eric Wilbur says bring Lamar in if it makes the Pats relevant again.
If Lamar Jackson brings the Patriots back into the spotlight, it's worth whatever it takes
Lamar Jackson announced Monday that he had requested a trade from the Baltimore Ravens after failing to come to a long-term extension.www.boston.com
I find it laughable that this is even being discussed. The Patriots under BB would be the LAST team to bring in a QB that is on the decline and fragile that would disallow the offense that produced 6 Lombardi's.
Oh and a 1/4 BILLION guaranteed?
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Hey, I want a cool million but that's not happening either. 🤣
One more month on the front 9 of silly season. After the draft, we go to the back 9 until the 2023 season opener.
i agree, but they did bring in this very qb in 2020, which also shocked me
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Ah, come on, guys, Jackson is hardly Newton Mark II. He's 25 and is not on the decline.
We can all say no way we should pay what's being asked, and we shouldn't. But objectively, Jackson would instantly make the Patriots a better team; even without opening a playbook, he would make them better.
I disagree.
#EntitledToDisagree according to the #By-laws of PP
#EntitledToDisagree according to the #By-laws of PP
aloyouis
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He is on the decline and you only have to take a cursory glance at the statistics to recognize that. Can he turn it around? Is his knee sound????? Given his ridiculous contract behavior is his mind sound? did you read his “announcement“ on Twitter earlier this week? It read like one of my posts after a few cocktails using Siri through a beer funnel.
And before we declare the team instantly better with this LJ, why don’t we take a look at the team with a legitimate offensive coordinator and a non-rookie Mac Jones?
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Fair enough, But the bookies tend to be very cold and analytical and, more times than not, tend to be correct. Look at our odds for next season to win the championship or even just the AFCE. They're long odds for a reason. If Jackson were signed to the Pats, those odds would shorten dramatically. Again, for a reason.