Looking at the Patriots - 2019

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It was weird, and even weirder that Bobby cut him. As if he's the model of humanity.

Actually, I think Kraft is a great human and a hell of an owner. I don't get your blasting of him so often.

I really, really wanted AB here and I'm very disappointed that he's not. However, I don't think Robert did much wrong here. :shrug:
 

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Actually, I think Kraft is a great human and a hell of an owner. I don't get your blasting of him so often.

I really, really wanted AB here and I'm very disappointed that he's not. However, I don't think Robert did much wrong here. :shrug:

He's a hypocrite for doing that...if you don't think so, you're blind.

He was lucky enough to marry up when he was young. Actually, that was a smart move. He was smart enough to hire BB...so, I do give him props for that.

He cowers down to Goodell for everything. That's being a pussy...
 

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Just a caution stat... 4 out of 5 Wins have come against teams with combined record of 1-17... Putridly easy schedule so far. Except for Bills.

If looked at as extension of preseason, then it's been good practice reps against bad teams, with a bit of coaching film against Bills.

With Brady harping on the offense mediocrity, maybe MCD gets more people involved on Thurs. I wanna see a fresh Harris running over the Jints.
 

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Brady's gonna have to deal with what he has for a little longer. I smell a trade for a weapon at WR. They get back Wynn and Harry (I'm assuming Devlin is done for the year only because it's his neck, which I read somewhere is important) which helps pass pro and the run. The offense will hit it's stride around week 10.
 

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Just a caution stat... 4 out of 5 Wins have come against teams with combined record of 1-17... Putridly easy schedule so far. Except for Bills.

If looked at as extension of preseason, then it's been good practice reps against bad teams, with a bit of coaching film against Bills.

With Brady harping on the offense mediocrity, maybe MCD gets more people involved on Thurs. I wanna see a fresh Harris running over the Jints.

Where to begin...
8 NFL teams have 1 or 0 wins
7 NFL teams have 2 wins or less

That's 15 teams < .400

4 teams are 3-2 and lead their divisions
8 teams are within 1 game of leading their divisions.

With the NFL's emphasis on division games the Pats have already played all 3 division rivals adding 3 losses, 1 to each of them.

1-17 sounds really bad but
the Bills are 4-1 and would be leading in all 6 of the other 7 divisions. Think about that for a moment.

It's getting better, huh.

Recalculating...1-17 + 4-1 = 5-18 & that doesn't sound nearly so bad. In fact, 5-18 (.277) beats the current record of 8 NFL teams. Take away the 3 divisional losses to the Pats from the JETE, 'Phins and Bills and they are 4-6 (.666). Absolutely true and that makes a huge difference.

Another point for the Pats. Currently, the Steelers D ranks 6th, the Bills rank 7th, the Jete 16th, the Redskins are 24th and the 'Phins are 32. That is pretty representative of the entire league in my mind. The Pats point differential is close to a record pace through 5 games missing by only 2 points. That's saying something.

So, 3 things I'd like to point out:
1. Parity is very real - a lot of teams are hovering around .500 and
2. The Pats have been tested by teams with good defenses that are better than their overall records. (The Steelers 1-4, the Jete 0-4 and the Bills 4-1 all have very good defenses that have played better than their records...except they played the Pats.)
3. The Pats have played the schedule they were given and did what they had to do. They will be fine.
 

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Where to begin...
8 NFL teams have 1 or 0 wins
7 NFL teams have 2 wins or less

That's 15 teams < .400

4 teams are 3-2 and lead their divisions
8 teams are within 1 game of leading their divisions.

With the NFL's emphasis on division games the Pats have already played all 3 division rivals adding 3 losses, 1 to each of them.

1-17 sounds really bad but
the Bills are 4-1 and would be leading in all 6 of the other 7 divisions. Think about that for a moment.

It's getting better, huh.

Recalculating...1-17 + 4-1 = 5-18 & that doesn't sound nearly so bad. In fact, 5-18 (.277) beats the current record of 8 NFL teams. Take away the 3 divisional losses to the Pats from the JETE, 'Phins and Bills and they are 4-6 (.666). Absolutely true and that makes a huge difference.

Another point for the Pats. Currently, the Steelers D ranks 6th, the Bills rank 7th, the Jete 16th, the Redskins are 24th and the 'Phins are 32. That is pretty representative of the entire league in my mind. The Pats point differential is close to a record pace through 5 games missing by only 2 points. That's saying something.

So, 3 things I'd like to point out:
1. Parity is very real - a lot of teams are hovering around .500 and
2. The Pats have been tested by teams with good defenses that are better than their overall records. (The Steelers 1-4, the Jete 0-4 and the Bills 4-1 all have very good defenses that have played better than their records...except they played the Pats.)
3. The Pats have played the schedule they were given and did what they had to do. They will be fine.

They will be fine this week , then the jets. Then he browns.. I've been closer to your pov in past years but this year it is historically bad. Half your games are against winless teams through half season and only 1 against a winning record. What it means is the offense needs to get it's act together. Get more players involved like they have in previous years since they will be needed later in the season...:thumb:
 

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Also the defense has to be measured against a decent QB led offense. It's still true that they play what the schedule says but it's also true that the schedule blows beyond belief.
 

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Michael Holley was saying yesterday that Josh Gordon is out of shape. That he’s not a workout guy, doesn’t do cardio, etc.

I will say that I am very underwhelmed by his performance so far. Little downfield burst, certainly not The Flash. He’s basically a possession receiver now.

Thoughts?


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I dunno. He’s dealing with a knee injury, maybe that has something to do with it. He absolutely trucked that one guy in the Bills game though. He definitely has power. It sounds crazy, but I think the skins def is a lot better than people give them credit for. Obviously the bills are good. NE didn’t have to throw much against the jets, and AB was sucking targets in Miami. I think Gordon is fine. I’ve never thought that the routes he excels at play to toms strengths as a QB though.
 

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They will be fine this week , then the jets. Then he browns.. I've been closer to your pov in past years but this year it is historically bad. Half your games are against winless teams through half season and only 1 against a winning record. What it means is the offense needs to get it's act together. Get more players involved like they have in previous years since they will be needed later in the season...:thumb:
In Stark contrast... the second half of the season has 6 of 8 opponents with with winning records. Including 5 in a row to begin. This sudden shift must be seen as a proving ground for this team and there are 3 more games to prepare with game plans that will include the kind of execution necessary for success against these good teams down the road. :thumb:
 

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Michael Holley was saying yesterday that Josh Gordon is out of shape. That he’s not a workout guy, doesn’t do cardio, etc.

I will say that I am very underwhelmed by his performance so far. Little downfield burst, certainly not The Flash. He’s basically a possession receiver now.

Thoughts?


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I remember reading something during camp that Gordon was on the best shape he's ever been. This seems to conflict with that.
 

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He's a beast to take down - I'm OK with him being a strong possession receiver. Dorsett seems to be improving in the downfield department. Or was. It's true we probably don't really have a deep threat right now though.
 

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In Stark contrast... the second half of the season has 6 of 8 opponents with with winning records. Including 5 in a row to begin. This sudden shift must be seen as a proving ground for this team and there are 3 more games to prepare with game plans that will include the kind of execution necessary for success against these good teams down the road. :thumb:
What the fuck are you talking about?

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I remember reading something during camp that Gordon was on the best shape he's ever been. This seems to conflict with that.
He looked good to me.
 
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