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... and would make for a fantastic trip for any US fans, especially if it coincides with Oktoberfest!!

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And they be stoopid not to make it during Octoberfest.
 

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A lot of what you say is true especially with the comparison to Harry. Jeffrey was never fast or quick.
The problem, as I see it anyway, is that I don't think Harry will make this roster either, based on his merits & not draft position, unless he makes a quantum leap in TC. That could come with a change to the slot position so he can live out his Boldin dreams. Can Harry beat out Meyers and Bourne to be our slot guy?
Also consider that we have legit TEs now to make those tough catches in the RZ without having to steal a roster spot for a guy sliding down the slippery slope into retirement.

I'm going to lay out a last-ditch hope-laden spin on Harry. Please, bear with me.

Over the first 4 weeks of the season, Harry caught 18 on 28 targets with a TD and 9 first downs. His rating was somewhere around an 88 and he broke 4 tackles. That kind of
production would have projected out to 72 catches and 4 TDs which is a far cry from his rookie year. I'm going on memory here, but he got clocked twice in the helmet and the
first one, which I believe was in the 3rd game vs. the Raiders (going on memory) appeared particularly vicious even though it didn't draw a flag. He played through it, but
something looked different in his motor skills and I think he was rocked. Then, he got number two vs. KC and that one started him on a really rocky stretch where he missed a game
and produced only 15 more catches in the remaining 11 games. He also broke zero tackles.

While our sorry offense contributed to those stats, what I saw was a guy that didn't look as athletic, showed zero explosion and even appeared tentative blocking. He was
anything but tentative as a rookie blocker and that dog don't hunt. In short, I think he may have had a more significant concussion(s) than was reported and he could not
overcome the effects. I did think he showed a little more spark to close out the season with better separation if not numbers, which might lend a little more evidence that
he recovered, but very slowly and our offense was in the toilet by that time.

So, I'm going to try to remember those flashes I saw of him as a rookie and early last season and consider that he MIGHT not be as bad as we think. Maybe he has just been
snakebit, but clearly we need to see more explosion, more physicality, more production and fewer mental mistakes or I won't be able to make any more excuses for him.
 

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I'm going to lay out a last-ditch hope-laden spin on Harry. Please, bear with me.

Over the first 4 weeks of the season, Harry caught 18 on 28 targets with a TD and 9 first downs. His rating was somewhere around an 88 and he broke 4 tackles. That kind of
production would have projected out to 72 catches and 4 TDs which is a far cry from his rookie year. I'm going on memory here, but he got clocked twice in the helmet and the
first one, which I believe was in the 3rd game vs. the Raiders (going on memory) appeared particularly vicious even though it didn't draw a flag. He played through it, but
something looked different in his motor skills and I think he was rocked. Then, he got number two vs. KC and that one started him on a really rocky stretch where he missed a game
and produced only 15 more catches in the remaining 11 games. He also broke zero tackles.

While our sorry offense contributed to those stats, what I saw was a guy that didn't look as athletic, showed zero explosion and even appeared tentative blocking. He was
anything but tentative as a rookie blocker and that dog don't hunt. In short, I think he may have had a more significant concussion(s) than was reported and he could not
overcome the effects. I did think he showed a little more spark to close out the season with better separation if not numbers, which might lend a little more evidence that
he recovered, but very slowly and our offense was in the toilet by that time.

So, I'm going to try to remember those flashes I saw of him as a rookie and early last season and consider that he MIGHT not be as bad as we think. Maybe he has just been
snakebit, but clearly we need to see more explosion, more physicality, more production and fewer mental mistakes or I won't be able to make any more excuses for him.


I recall he got clocked really, really hard against the Seahawks. Helmet to helmet. He appeared to shrug it off and even had a solid game. But you're right, after the concussion he was a shell of his former no-so-great self.

I more or less gave up on him, but if he were to be able to find his niche and make the team, I'll be rooting for him.


Edit: found it.

 

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I'm going to lay out a last-ditch hope-laden spin on Harry. Please, bear with me.

Over the first 4 weeks of the season, Harry caught 18 on 28 targets with a TD and 9 first downs. His rating was somewhere around an 88 and he broke 4 tackles. That kind of
production would have projected out to 72 catches and 4 TDs which is a far cry from his rookie year. I'm going on memory here, but he got clocked twice in the helmet and the
first one, which I believe was in the 3rd game vs. the Raiders (going on memory) appeared particularly vicious even though it didn't draw a flag. He played through it, but
something looked different in his motor skills and I think he was rocked. Then, he got number two vs. KC and that one started him on a really rocky stretch where he missed a game
and produced only 15 more catches in the remaining 11 games. He also broke zero tackles.

While our sorry offense contributed to those stats, what I saw was a guy that didn't look as athletic, showed zero explosion and even appeared tentative blocking. He was
anything but tentative as a rookie blocker and that dog don't hunt. In short, I think he may have had a more significant concussion(s) than was reported and he could not
overcome the effects. I did think he showed a little more spark to close out the season with better separation if not numbers, which might lend a little more evidence that
he recovered, but very slowly and our offense was in the toilet by that time.

So, I'm going to try to remember those flashes I saw of him as a rookie and early last season and consider that he MIGHT not be as bad as we think. Maybe he has just been
snakebit, but clearly we need to see more explosion, more physicality, more production and fewer mental mistakes or I won't be able to make any more excuses for him.

I don't have near the hope for him that you do but at this point it's entirely up to him and his performance from now til last cutdowns on August 31.
If he were a slot guy, I'd give him good shot.
We currently have 10 WRs on the roster and currently he's my last player out assuming BB keeps 5 WRs not inc. Slater or Zuber (return guy).
We also have 7 TEs. I'm assuming BB will keep at least 4. LaCosse is my 5th TE unless Rashod Berry shows out in TC.
Iow, we have a lot of receivers and many can do what Harry has shown he can do. Kristian Wilkerson could be a guy, too. IDK.
Give em all time to play themselves off the roster/PS. The good ones will be obvious pretty soon.
 

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I recall he got clocked really, really hard against the Seahawks. Helmet to helmet. He appeared to shrug it off and even had a solid game. But you're right, after the concussion he was a shell of his former no-so-great self.

I more or less gave up on him, but if he were to be able to find his niche and make the team, I'll be rooting for him.


Edit: found it.


I must be mis-remembering it. Which happens. No big whoop.

The way I had it, the first time he took an H2H -- it was far worse looking than that one vs. Seattle and whoever it was didn't even get flagged. I seem to recall that
I was furious that football seemed, like most things in the world at that time, hopelessly fucked up and the suits upstairs probably preferred that players get their
health and careers ruined rather than admit that the refs were hapless schmoes who were cardboard cutouts in some weird parody of football. I figured the second
hit was properly flagged only because the first was such an obvious screwup. But, I get emotional and now I'm not sure what happened. I honestly don't have any
confirmation that it even happened other than a general memory that Harry got poleaxed and it wasn't that one you provided.

Anyhow, I do appreciate you shedding some light, Skip. I'm stubborn in that I try to keep all this stuff in my head rather than do a deep dive, but whatever happened.
I think Harry did his absolute best to try and be a tough guy, because he knew folks what people were saying about him, but he just couldn't function.

Anyhow, if ANYBODY knows what the hell I'm talking about then please provide some detail, because I swear it happened more or less how I had it.
 

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Edelman's dad tells why it was time for Jules to retire. Says he's done with football despite what Brady and Gronk think.

 

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Edelman's dad tells why it was time for Jules to retire. Says he's done with football despite what Brady and Gronk think.

Great interview with Edelman's dad. Listening to him makes it very easy to understand.how Jules became the type of player he was. He also makes it abundantly clear he much he, and his son, admire, respect and appreciate Belichick.
 

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Edelman's dad tells why it was time for Jules to retire. Says he's done with football despite what Brady and Gronk think.

Fuck what Brady and Gronk think, it's nothing to do with them. They should keep their noses out.
 

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No, It's pro-Belichick. Find it yourself...😆
Just download the Curran Patriots Talk Podcast to listen to full interview.
As for Harry he needs a big TC to keep Roster spot. He been massive disappointment the past 2 seasons. Hall & Nixon can at least be a deep threat .
 
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Just download the Curran Patriots Talk Podcast to listen to full interview.
As for Harry he needs a big TC to keep Roster spot. He been massive disappointment the past 2 seasons. Hall & Nixon can at least be a deep threat .
It seems to me that Harry got noticeably slower last season. I mean, he was certainly not a speedy separator his rookie year by any stretch, but last season he was consistently lumbering and, at least to my naked eye, he didn't seem significantly heavier.
 
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Once again, posting simple non attacking stuff and then get this reply. So glad the rules work for everyone.
Huh. You're the last person to complain about unfairly getting shit from people. You're the king, queen and crazy uncle of posting for effect. Besides, after 15+ years of trolling and assholery, we pretty much know who you are, and one inadvertant post that doesn't annoy people, misquoting and mocking them, doesn't change who you are.
 
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