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Jones smoking spice the night before a playoff game and wandering into a police station or whatever happened really lowered my opinion of him.
Jon loves his cocaine...there is also the ped history with jones's brother to consider. knowing how the nfl has always gone after the pats for anything they could even if it meant making shit up, i could see BB thinking that moving on from Jones might be better than risking another "gate"
so jones had a number of things going against him:
cap cost - keep jones or hightower plus cap for other players plus a 2nd rd pick in a draft where they didn't have a first because of bull shit.
history of late season productivity drop
stat collector against the weak but vanished against the good teams
the synthetic mj incident during the playoffs
family history of ped's
I was listening to Bedard yesterday and had a really interesting take on the Patriots since the end of 2019 (link is below).
The Patriots are 4-9 in one possession games since Thanksgiving of 2019. Their overall record is 9-14. In Bedard's opinion, this is because the defense has declined since Flores left after the 2018 season. He said Bill's son and Mayo have not done a good enough job coaching especially in close games.
It's interesting that all of us, myself included have been so focused on the Qb that we may have missed the most obvious - the defense has been poorly coached. Bedard talked specifically how awful our defensive strategy was on the final drive slant pass play not having Jones out there. He also mentioned how Flores knew that by bringing pressure it would make Jones check down and then all Miami had to do was wrap up the runner. So basically his feel was that we were outcoached.
He also mentioned that the offense is not dynamic enough, something I have been saying since the draft. We just don't have explosive guys that can get you chunk plays so having these long 12-14 plays is just begging for a penalty or a turnover. The margin for error is razor thin. Our 8 penalties is the most penalties than we had any game last year. I think speaks to all the new players from FAs to the rookies. So many new guys who came from other systems trying to learn ours.
Here is the full segment, The Patriots Play in Close Games // 10 Questions with Greg Bedard // Patriots-Jets Preview - 9/14 (Hour 2)
I didn't realize the personnel until I listened to Bedard. It was 1st and 14 from the 5 yard line. I think everyone knew it was going to be a pass and Miami went to their bread and butter slant play that they ran a few times and we never stopped. I agree with Bedard that Jones should have been in there but we played so far off of Parker and I don't know why. I do agree it was coaching on that sequence. I think what was more frustrating to me is after that play, we knew the Fins would run the clock and we could not stop the run at all. They ran the clock out on us. I think that probably speaks more to the interior of our Dline not being good enough which was the most surprising part of the game to me given how much we upgraded our D and Miami's Oline not being very good.Would you have preferred to have Jones on the field instead of Phillips with under 3 minutes to play and the defense needing to stop the run?
It’s obvious why they were playing a big nickel with Phillips in lieu of Jones at that point in the game.
I do think Flores is a really good coach and I wish he was still our DC.
I was listening to Bedard yesterday and had a really interesting take on the Patriots since the end of 2019 (link is below).
The Patriots are 4-9 in one possession games since Thanksgiving of 2019. Their overall record is 9-14. In Bedard's opinion, this is because the defense has declined since Flores left after the 2018 season. He said Bill's son and Mayo have not done a good enough job coaching especially in close games.
It's interesting that all of us, myself included have been so focused on the Qb that we may have missed the most obvious - the defense has been poorly coached. Bedard talked specifically how awful our defensive strategy was on the final drive slant pass play not having Jones out there. He also mentioned how Flores knew that by bringing pressure it would make Jones check down and then all Miami had to do was wrap up the runner. So basically his feel was that we were outcoached.
He also mentioned that the offense is not dynamic enough, something I have been saying since the draft. We just don't have explosive guys that can get you chunk plays so having these long 12-14 plays is just begging for a penalty or a turnover. The margin for error is razor thin. Our 8 penalties is the most penalties than we had any game last year. I think speaks to all the new players from FAs to the rookies. So many new guys who came from other systems trying to learn ours.
Here is the full segment, The Patriots Play in Close Games // 10 Questions with Greg Bedard // Patriots-Jets Preview - 9/14 (Hour 2)
I was listening to Bedard yesterday and had a really interesting take on the Patriots since the end of 2019 (link is below).
The Patriots are 4-9 in one possession games since Thanksgiving of 2019. Their overall record is 9-14. In Bedard's opinion, this is because the defense has declined since Flores left after the 2018 season. He said Bill's son and Mayo have not done a good enough job coaching especially in close games.
It's interesting that all of us, myself included have been so focused on the Qb that we may have missed the most obvious - the defense has been poorly coached. Bedard talked specifically how awful our defensive strategy was on the final drive slant pass play not having Jones out there. He also mentioned how Flores knew that by bringing pressure it would make Jones check down and then all Miami had to do was wrap up the runner. So basically his feel was that we were outcoached.
He also mentioned that the offense is not dynamic enough, something I have been saying since the draft. We just don't have explosive guys that can get you chunk plays so having these long 12-14 plays is just begging for a penalty or a turnover. The margin for error is razor thin. Our 8 penalties is the most penalties than we had any game last year. I think speaks to all the new players from FAs to the rookies. So many new guys who came from other systems trying to learn ours.
Here is the full segment, The Patriots Play in Close Games // 10 Questions with Greg Bedard // Patriots-Jets Preview - 9/14 (Hour 2)
I said I found his take interesting as he was specifically citing one possession games since the end of 2019. I had no idea what our W-L record was in those games.this is against my better judgement but here goes:
all off-season Chevss has made the point to you and this board that the D last year and the end of 2019 fell off a cliff(self evident to anybody with a clue) - you spent that time arguing that Cam was the issue.
now Bedard comes along and makes the exact same point except Bedard spins it as bad BB and suddenly its the greatest football insight you have ever heard of because it fits your confirmation bias.
are you ever going form your own opinions or is every point you ever make just the latest talking point from the poison pens of the media?
please just stop
Nah, not could have. Harris hangs onto the ball there, where he lost it, it's game over.It was a close game though...a play here or there could have won it.
Interesting. And we're focusing on just the one score games in this analysis. So it sounds like if it wasn't for bad coaching of the D, the 2020 Pat's would have won a few more games, then? Because THAT would mean that even in a year in a new system, with no preseason, a bad arm, and Covid, Cam would have led that team - which was a total wreck because of roster mismanagement irrespective of all the opt-outs and having nothing to do with paying off all the deferred money for TFB and AB, remember - to a tiebreaker for the playoffs.I said I found his take interesting as he was specifically citing one possession games since the end of 2019. I had no idea what our W-L record was in those games.
He then gave some specific examples of how he felt our coaching was inferior and he cited Steve B and Mayo. He did not mention Bill and neither did I. He specifically said the defense struggled when Flores left. He also mentioned how the personnel also deteriorated which IMO is just a big of an issue as our front 7 had gotten old and slow. This does not absolve the terrible QB play we got last year or the horrific personnel that both Brady and Cam had to play with either. But it does add another dimension to see how a team that was 10-1 after 11 games in 2019 has fallen to 9-14 since.
I didn't see a contradiction at all. You absolutely have been putting it all on Cam, and you did just sat that you agreed with Bedard. He pointed out - correctly - that you loudly insisted you were right about the Cam thing UNTIL someone had another take that you can structure as an attack on BB. Then you're all in....
You do realize that you completed contradicted yourself when you said that all I did was argue Cam was the main issue last year (which I did) and then turn around and say I agree with Bedard when he said it was defensive coaching because it fits my confirmation bias. LOL. So which is it? Perhaps, you need to go back and read again what I posted.
Not quite. There was a lot of time on the clock. Likeliest scenario, IMO, was Pats score a FG (maybe a TD) and the 'Phins get it back with maybe 90-120 seconds to take a shot at it. At that point, momentum is against them, but it could go either way. I'd say if Harris doesn't fumble, there's...70-80% chance the Pats win.Nah, not could have. Harris hangs onto the ball there, where he lost it, it's game over.
A TD makes that 95% or more IMO.Not quite. There was a lot of time on the clock. Likeliest scenario, IMO, was Pats score a FG (maybe a TD) and the 'Phins get it back with maybe 90-120 seconds to take a shot at it. At that point, momentum is against them, but it could go either way. I'd say if Harris doesn't fumble, there's...70-80% chance the Pats win.
And I'd agree. But I'd say it's less than a 50% chance of getting the TD there. Given the red zone offense in the game to that point and Miami's penchant for causing turnovers, I'd say maybe 30%ish. 60% FG. 10% no points. Ballpark.A TD makes that 95% or more IMO.