Looking At The Patriots 2022

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deec77 said:
Why

~Dee+
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When his record without Brady is brought into question it’s always brought up that he did fine with Cassel. Ok, that’s fair. Let’s see it again.
On top of that there was more than one voice in this forum very very concerned about Hoyer being the primary backup. He’s not capable of closing out a 4th quarter anymore, let alone winning games.
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
He would have a good excuse...Hoyer is terrible.
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Then why is he the backup. Everyone knows he can’t win a game.
That dude for Dallas came in and looked pretty sharp. The 49ers were smart enough to bring back jimmy G.

The browns are winning with brissett.
 
rivshark86 said:
Then why is he the backup. Everyone knows he can’t win a game.
That dude for Dallas came in and looked pretty sharp. The 49ers were smart enough to bring back jimmy G.
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Don't ask me. Hoyer should have retired years ago. Stidham should have been kept.

You can blame BB the GM I guess... :coffee:

I kinda see your point. But, it's a process.
 
rivshark86 said:
When his record without Brady is brought into question it’s always brought up that he did fine with Cassel. Ok, that’s fair. Let’s see it again.
On top of that there was more than one voice in this forum very very concerned about Hoyer being the primary backup. He’s not capable of closing out a 4th quarter anymore, let alone winning games.
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The Pats weren't going to be that good this year no matter what. If Mac is hurt for a long time, this is the year for that to happen IMO.
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
Parker came to play today at least.
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He did but still only a 50% catch percentage which is basically his NFL career rate. And almost all of Mac’s season INTs have been to Parker who sometimes gives up on the ball. The offense is way better oriented around Meyers, Bourne, Henry, and Agholor, not forcing it to a guy so that the trade for Parker doesn’t look bad
 
rivshark86 said:
When his record without Brady is brought into question it’s always brought up that he did fine with Cassel. Ok, that’s fair. Let’s see it again.
On top of that there was more than one voice in this forum very very concerned about Hoyer being the primary backup. He’s not capable of closing out a 4th quarter anymore, let alone winning games.
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Different teams and times.

~Dee~
 
Mac has 4 x INTs that have happened when he was targeting Parker. It's not all Mac's fault; as we said yesterday, Parker does not fight for the ball the way he should. The End Zone INT yesterday was a good ball thrown by Mac, and it was there for Parker to bludgeon his way over the DB to go and get it. Except he didn't, he moved to the side on contact allowing the DB to position himself to catch it. That's just not good enough.

And Mac will have to learn, or he should have learned that he cannot throw 60/40 balls to Parker in coverage like that. Were Mac and the coaches seeing something different from Parker in TC that led them to believe Parker was that kind of receiver?
 
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Roberto71 said:
Mac has 4 x INTs that have happened when he was targeting Parker. It's not all MAc's fault; as we said yesterday, Parker does not fight for the ball the way he should. The EX INT yesterday was a good ball thrown by Mac, and it was there for Parker to bludgeon his way over the DB to go and get it. Except he didn't, he moved to the side on contact allowing the DB to position himself to catch it. That's just not good enough.

And Mac will have to learn, or he should have learned that he cannot throw 60/40 balls to Parker in coverage like that. Were Mac and the coaches seeing something different from Parker in TC that led them to believe Parker was that kind of receiver?
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If I had to guess Jacoby Meyers absence may have played a part.... there just isn’t a trust level yet, one less receiver on the field less receivers to cover. Agholor didn’t help the situation either.

~Dee~
 
Roberto71 said:
Mac has 4 x INTs that have happened when he was targeting Parker. It's not all MAc's fault; as we said yesterday, Parker does not fight for the ball the way he should. The EX INT yesterday was a good ball thrown by Mac, and it was there for Parker to bludgeon his way over the DB to go and get it. Except he didn't, he moved to the side on contact allowing the DB to position himself to catch it. That's just not good enough.

And Mac will have to learn, or he should have learned that he cannot throw 60/40 balls to Parker in coverage like that. Were Mac and the coaches seeing something different from Parker in TC that led them to believe Parker was that kind of receiver?
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Parker has always been a contested catch receiver. The difference is that Miami used him on intermediate slants and crossers whereas the Pats have him on the outside running post and corner routes. That's not been his bread and butter. Hopefully when Thornton comes back Parker can shift inside to Slot or Flanker where you should see him perform better.
 
Roberto71 said:
Mac has 4 x INTs that have happened when he was targeting Parker. It's not all MAc's fault; as we said yesterday, Parker does not fight for the ball the way he should. The EX INT yesterday was a good ball thrown by Mac, and it was there for Parker to bludgeon his way over the DB to go and get it. Except he didn't, he moved to the side on contact allowing the DB to position himself to catch it. That's just not good enough.

And Mac will have to learn, or he should have learned that he cannot throw 60/40 balls to Parker in coverage like that. Were Mac and the coaches seeing something different from Parker in TC that led them to believe Parker was that kind of receiver?
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Part of it is FattyMatty's fault, part of it is oline, part of it is Mac, part of it is Parker going through the motions.

Mac seems to be panicking and playing bad when things don't go as planned.
 
chevss454 said:
I don't think it's just Mac. His receivers have a lot to do with successful completions.
His 2nd int meant for Parker was on Parker. The DB stuffed Parker at the top of his stem and he slowed to 25% speed for a second. Mac threw the ball to a spot where Parker was supposed to be but Parker let the DB pass him by. That's on Parker whether he expected a holding call or not, he should have kept on his route.
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So you're right, but the int was made from a position that was in front of where Parker would have been, so I think it would have been picked either way. I'd still put it on Mac, though Parker didn't do his job either.
 
Roberto71 said:
Mac has 4 x INTs that have happened when he was targeting Parker. It's not all MAc's fault; as we said yesterday, Parker does not fight for the ball the way he should. The EX INT yesterday was a good ball thrown by Mac, and it was there for Parker to bludgeon his way over the DB to go and get it. Except he didn't, he moved to the side on contact allowing the DB to position himself to catch it. That's just not good enough.

And Mac will have to learn, or he should have learned that he cannot throw 60/40 balls to Parker in coverage like that. Were Mac and the coaches seeing something different from Parker in TC that led them to believe Parker was that kind of receiver?
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Absolutely. 4 of Mac’s 5 INTs were to Parker not fighting for the ball. Stop forcing it to a guy who only catches 50% of his targets. Parker is worse than 4 pass catchers across Meyers, Bourne, Agholor, Henry
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
Part of it is FattyMatty's fault, part of it is oline, part of it is Mac, part of it is Parker going through the motions.

Mac seems to be panicking and playing bad when things don't go as planned.
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This is how bad OLine play can permanently wreck a primising young QB. his progressions are cut because he’s so jittery from an OLine breakdown. The throwing off back foot is also due to OLine
 
DropKickFlutie said:
This is how bad OLine play can permanently wreck a primising young QB. his progressions are cut because he’s so jittery from an OLine breakdown. The throwing off back foot is also due to OLine
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I think there's some truth to that. He did seem to get the jitters because of OL play in the preseason and to some extent in week 1. But the OL has played well overall since then, including in pass pro. He'll have to re-learn to trust them, but they've been doing their jobs overall.

I think he may have some residual back pain. If so, it may be a factor in him sometimes throwing off his back foot because he's instinctively avoiding the pain from rotating his trunk to pull his weight forward.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
I think there's some truth to that. He did seem to get the jitters because of OL play in the preseason and to some extent in week 1. But the OL has played well overall since then, including in pass pro. He'll have to re-learn to trust them, but they've been doing their jobs overall.

I think he may have some residual back pain. If so, it may be a factor in him sometimes throwing off his back foot because he's instinctively avoiding the pain from rotating his trunk to pull his weight forward.
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It's more than just the oline...but, the oline is part of it.
 
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