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Roberto71 said:
Exactly right. I mean Josh was pilloried around here for god sake. Every game, every offensive mistake or breakdown, the histrionics here was unreal. The gameplan was awful, the play calling disastrous, why is Josh calling run plays here, why is he throwing it there, Josh has to go, Josh can never be HC here etc etc Even when Brady was here it was the same story.
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That's about the size of it.

If we don't win by 7 TDs then there are always people upset with the play-calling unless there is a very successful trick play that nobody has seen before. That is the bright,
shiny object that seems to dazzle the critics, even if it gets blown out of proportion.

People don't want to consider that the other team is trying just as hard to stop us as we are to score and there are always going to be bad sequences, plays, games, whatever.

Of course, when a team with our track record is sitting at .500ish then it's going to be even worse than usual because we're supposed to win a Championship every year.

I think Bill Parcells put it best when he said that you're just trying to get in the tournament, just trying to be a contender and what we've experienced for two decades went
way beyond that, but that's reality for everybody else. Just look at the Rams who have gone from best to near-worst in less than a season.

Just trying to reason with people who expect a trophy every year is a waste of time.
 
I think it's a sports radio thing. There's a dude on my facebook who parrots everything Felger says, guy knows less than zero about the game, but he's happy to share his uniformed opinion.

It's bitching for ratings, click bait, etc. People are so pissed off all the time I wonder why they even follow sports at all.

If something makes you miserable give it up, and give the rest of us a break.
 
Hawg73 said:
If it was either/or I'd go with Josh, because he tended to be more creative, imo.

I'm a little surprised that BOB has gotten so much more popular with the fanbase since he skipped town. The way I remember it, he was
widely accused of a lot of the same stuff that the current guy or guys are getting blamed for.

What he has done in Alabama since he took that job may not be particularly applicable here, because he won't have Nick Saban
recruiting an endless pipeline of talent to utilize.
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For the life of me I can’t understand the pining for Bill O’Brien. Let’s get some fresh blood on the coaching staff. Pillage the offensive staff of the 49ers, phins, eagles, Vikings, Bills, or Rams.
A lot of these good OCs start off as like a video film specialist before rising to a position coach, then OC.
 
Roberto71 said:
Exactly right. I mean Josh was pilloried around here for god sake. Every game, every offensive mistake or breakdown, the histrionics here was unreal. The gameplan was awful, the play calling disastrous, why is Josh calling run plays here, why is he throwing it there, Josh has to go, Josh can never be HC here etc etc Even when Brady was here it was the same story.
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I was happy with Charlie. I was okay with McD 1.0. BoB was fine with me. McD 2.0 was stale AF and predictable, but man o man did anyone think 2.0 would look like rocket science once we got a look at the rocket scientist? And it isn't on Patricia. Bill knew what he was getting and did it anyway.

It is only a problem if you refuse to fix it. Fix it Bill. :lecture:
 
Hawg73 said:
That's about the size of it.

If we don't win by 7 TDs then there are always people upset with the play-calling unless there is a very successful trick play that nobody has seen before. That is the bright,
shiny object that seems to dazzle the critics, even if it gets blown out of proportion.

People don't want to consider that the other team is trying just as hard to stop us as we are to score and there are always going to be bad sequences, plays, games, whatever.

Of course, when a team with our track record is sitting at .500ish then it's going to be even worse than usual because we're supposed to win a Championship every year.

I think Bill Parcells put it best when he said that you're just trying to get in the tournament, just trying to be a contender and what we've experienced for two decades went
way beyond that, but that's reality for everybody else. Just look at the Rams who have gone from best to near-worst in less than a season.

Just trying to reason with people who expect a trophy every year is a waste of time.
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It's because it's easy to criticize the OC. Every individual play that doesn't work can be called out, because it didn't work. You're starting from a point of knowing that his choice turned out badly, so anything you say you would have done instead has the benefit of not having already been proven to fail.

If it's a play call or a strategy that makes a lot of sense situationally and within the scheme, it was too predictable. If it wasn't, then "why the hell wouldn't you call a run there? Everyone knows you should call a run there!"

You can criticize against D coordinators, too, but the difference is that it's a lot harder to do it with the specificity that you can on the other side of the ball. It's really a no-win, thankless position to be in.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
It's because it's easy to criticize the OC. Every individual play that doesn't work can be called out, because it didn't work. You're starting from a point of knowing that his choice turned out badly, so anything you say you would have done instead has the benefit of not having already been proven to fail.

If it's a play call or a strategy that makes a lot of sense situationally and within the scheme, it was too predictable. If it wasn't, then "why the hell wouldn't you call a run there? Everyone knows you should call a run there!"

You can criticize against D coordinators, too, but the difference is that it's a lot harder to do it with the specificity that you can on the other side of the ball. It's really a no-win, thankless position to be in.
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Not really. How many successful OC's get dibs on HC gigs? I wonder what % of the current ranks are legacy OC's versus DC or other?
 
rivshark86 said:
For the life of me I can’t understand the pining for Bill O’Brien.
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Why not? The only year he was OC the team went to the Superbowl, and was top 5 in:
  • Points
  • Yards
  • Turnovers lost
  • 1st downs
  • Passing yards
  • Passing touchdowns
  • Passing yards per attempt
  • Rushing touchdowns
  • % of drives ending in a score
  • Plays per drive
  • Yards per drive
  • Points per drive
If you assume he was effectively the OC the year prior, it was similarly successful. But 2011 was when he really put his own spin on the scheme adding a lot of spread concepts to the E/P underlay - it's the only year when pfr actually lists their scheme as spread instead of E/P, actually.

I found that 2011 offense a little frustrating and kinda soft, and I was unsurprised that they lost the Superbowl. But for a first year coordinator he did some pretty good work.
 
aloyouis said:
Not really. How many successful OC's get dibs on HC gigs? I wonder what % of the current ranks are legacy OC's versus DC or other?
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As a career stepping stone, it's definitely better than a defensive track in terms of hiring record. But being the OC is just wearing a target.
 
rivshark86 said:
For the life of me I can’t understand the pining for Bill O’Brien. Let’s get some fresh blood on the coaching staff. Pillage the offensive staff of the 49ers, phins, eagles, Vikings, Bills, or Rams.
A lot of these good OCs start off as like a video film specialist before rising to a position coach, then OC.
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As long as they can produce awesome results, I'd be good with it.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
Why not? The only year he was OC the team went to the Superbowl, and was top 5 in:
  • Points
  • Yards
  • Turnovers lost
  • 1st downs
  • Passing yards
  • Passing touchdowns
  • Passing yards per attempt
  • Rushing touchdowns
  • % of drives ending in a score
  • Plays per drive
  • Yards per drive
  • Points per drive
If you assume he was effectively the OC the year prior, it was similarly successful. But 2011 was when he really put his own spin on the scheme adding a lot of spread concepts to the E/P underlay - it's the only year when pfr actually lists their scheme as spread instead of E/P, actually.

I found that 2011 offense a little frustrating and kinda soft, and I was unsurprised that they lost the Superbowl. But for a first year coordinator he did some pretty good work.
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Yet Bama was ranked only 15th best offense in the NCAA this year overall; 59th ranked passing attack and 25th ranked rushing attack. Bama's 6th ranked D kept them in games this year.
That's despite PFF ranking QB Bryce Young the 3rd best QB this year. Caveat: Bama's jag WRs this year performed poorly overall and not an NFL prospect among them imo.
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
It's been a common thing lately...
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Especially with the Shanahan/McVay and Andy Reid trees.

Shanahan
  • San Fran ('17) - Kyle
  • LA Rams ('17) - McVay
  • Green Bay ('19) - LaFleur
  • Cincinnati ('19) - Zac Taylor
  • NY Jets ('21) - Saleh
  • LA Chargers ('21) - Staley
  • Miami ('22) - Mike McDaniel
  • Minnesota ('22) - Kevin O'Connell (with a cup of coffee with BB)

Reid
  • Buffalo - McDermott
  • Baltimore - Harbaugh
  • Washington - Rivera
  • Jacksonville - Doug Pederson
  • TBay - Bowles (iffy)
+ past HCs - Frazier, Spags, Shurmur, David Culley, Childress and Nagy who is back with Reid in KC.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
It's because it's easy to criticize the OC. Every individual play that doesn't work can be called out, because it didn't work. You're starting from a point of knowing that his choice turned out badly, so anything you say you would have done instead has the benefit of not having already been proven to fail.

If it's a play call or a strategy that makes a lot of sense situationally and within the scheme, it was too predictable. If it wasn't, then "why the hell wouldn't you call a run there? Everyone knows you should call a run there!"

You can criticize against D coordinators, too, but the difference is that it's a lot harder to do it with the specificity that you can on the other side of the ball. It's really a no-win, thankless position to be in.
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Posilutely.

I think most people just like to be right and NFL football, whether you're involved on the inside of it, bet on it or just enjoy watching and speculating on it -- means that you're going to
be wrong a lot. The only thing that separates everybody who cares is how often they happen to be wrong. Or right, if you will.

Bill, for instance, is under some heat for recent and ongoing perceived mistakes-- the theory being is that there ae younger, smarter alphas out there that definitely would be wrong less than him.

And there aren't any. I estimate (using a wildly specious method) that Bill is right about 85% of the time and his best competition of recent years might be at 70. Sure there are ebbs and flows involved but when you look analyze all the many decisions made over the course of his reign here (even those widely panned when they were made), you will find that approximately ochocinco per cent look pretty good once the dust settles and unbiased perspective can be achieved. And that number is a total miracle.

However, using the magic of hindsight, one can wait until he fucks something up (part of the other 15%) and then tell people what you would have done differently and convince yourself that you are smarter than the smartest guy in the history of the sport. Perhaps all sports. You might imagine the public applauding your rare genius and wishing they were as sharp a cat as you after
you share your brilliance, also using hindsight so that you can never be proved wrong.

Such is the nature of self-delusion in this crazy world.
 
Hawg73 said:
Bill, for instance, is under some heat for recent and ongoing perceived mistakes-- the theory being is that there ae younger, smarter alphas out there that definitely would be wrong less than him.
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Nah.

I don't think many people (paying attention) theorize that there ae younger, smarter alphas out there.

We just think BB fucked this up.

Now he needs to fix it.

That. Is. All.
 
For Tommy

10 years ago today


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Hawg73 said:
That's about the size of it.

If we don't win by 7 TDs then there are always people upset with the play-calling unless there is a very successful trick play that nobody has seen before. That is the bright,
shiny object that seems to dazzle the critics, even if it gets blown out of proportion.

People don't want to consider that the other team is trying just as hard to stop us as we are to score and there are always going to be bad sequences, plays, games, whatever.

Of course, when a team with our track record is sitting at .500ish then it's going to be even worse than usual because we're supposed to win a Championship every year.

I think Bill Parcells put it best when he said that you're just trying to get in the tournament, just trying to be a contender and what we've experienced for two decades went
way beyond that, but that's reality for everybody else. Just look at the Rams who have gone from best to near-worst in less than a season.

Just trying to reason with people who expect a trophy every year is a waste of time.
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The spiritual and bodily possession of the ghost of NE...M.

Someone call an exorcist to drive this demon out and cast it straight back to Hell.

If not, maybe a warning should be added to the homepage.

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