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rivshark86 said:
BB was using a ton of common sense and clear thinking when he benched Malcom Butler and let Nick Fowks throw for 400 yards in a SB loss where the offense never punted. Dude was literally crying on the sideline during the anthem. Maybe someone here knows something I don’t, but I’ve never heard an explanation for that.
For me that was the turning point.

It had been building, like when he won the coin toss in that jets game and decided to play defense and lost. Great coaching decision right? Or blowing about ten years of 1st and second round draft picks. Outside of Mcourty, Gronk, Mayo, Hightower, how many first or second round draft picks got a second contract from 07 till what 2022? But Kraft is cheap.
Thats why BB lost after Brady left. Because Kraft is cheap and won’t resign these great draft picks who left for better money. Give me a break…… there’s a damn good reason no NFL team wants him, and there are some desperate ones out there.

But yes BB can polish a turd in the form of a 5th rounder who is willing to bust his ass on special teams. Will this translate to college? I dunno. To me for BB to take this huge downgrade of a job, he needs to win the ACC. That’s the standard for a successful season. The bare minimum. For “the greatest HC of all time”……..
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Christ. Your irrational hatred of Belichick is truly a sight to behold. Try and find at least a smidgeon of objectivity and try and at least reduce the emotion when positing about him.
 
Roberto71 said:
Christ. Your irrational hatred of Belichick is truly a sight to behold. Try and find at least a smidgeon of objectivity and try and at least reduce the emotion when positing about him.
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But Malcolm Butler was CRYING man, that's serious business!!He also fails to mention that Malcolm Butler himself refuses to comment about what the issue is and usually what that means is that the person refusing to comment fucked up really bad and doesn't want to admit it. along with the fact butler returned to the patriots, which he also refused to mention. Other thing people don't seem to understand is sometimes Belichick's secrecy is related to protecting the player's privacy. Malcolm Butler is free to say whatever he wants about that incident right now. it's not like he's under an NDA. why don't we know why he was benched? well I'm sure it never occurred to riv and everybody else that perhaps he's embarrassed by what he did and bill is protecting him by never commenting on it as well as the fact he never told the rest of his team about it because again he's protecting Malcolm's privacy and also keeping his team from having to comment on an issue. all of this is consistent With how bb has handled these types of incidents throughout his career. but it's far easier to criticize him for it. It's far easier to do what a lot of coaches like to do which is throw your players under the bus so that you don't take the criticism. bill does not do that. Somehow the bill haters find that to be a flaw, which I think is hilarious. I call it great leadership.
 
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rivshark86 said:
BB was using a ton of common sense and clear thinking when he benched Malcom Butler and let Nick Fowks throw for 400 yards in a SB loss where the offense never punted. Dude was literally crying on the sideline during the anthem. Maybe someone here knows something I don’t, but I’ve never heard an explanation for that.
For me that was the turning point.

It had been building, like when he won the coin toss in that jets game and decided to play defense and lost. Great coaching decision right? Or blowing about ten years of 1st and second round draft picks. Outside of Mcourty, Gronk, Mayo, Hightower, how many first or second round draft picks got a second contract from 07 till what 2022? But Kraft is cheap.
Thats why BB lost after Brady left. Because Kraft is cheap and won’t resign these great draft picks who left for better money. Give me a break…… there’s a damn good reason no NFL team wants him, and there are some desperate ones out there.

But yes BB can polish a turd in the form of a 5th rounder who is willing to bust his ass on special teams. Will this translate to college? I dunno. To me for BB to take this huge downgrade of a job, he needs to win the ACC. That’s the standard for a successful season. The bare minimum. For “the greatest HC of all time”……..
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Attempting to reason with you is the ultimate fool's errand. You just ignore or summarily dismiss plausible explanations which don't fit within your narrow-minded, ironclad opinions.
 
rivshark86 said:
BB was using a ton of common sense and clear thinking when he benched Malcom Butler and let Nick Fowks throw for 400 yards in a SB loss where the offense never punted. Dude was literally crying on the sideline during the anthem. Maybe someone here knows something I don’t, but I’ve never heard an explanation for that.
For me that was the turning point.

It had been building, like when he won the coin toss in that jets game and decided to play defense and lost. Great coaching decision right? Or blowing about ten years of 1st and second round draft picks. Outside of Mcourty, Gronk, Mayo, Hightower, how many first or second round draft picks got a second contract from 07 till what 2022? But Kraft is cheap.
Thats why BB lost after Brady left. Because Kraft is cheap and won’t resign these great draft picks who left for better money. Give me a break…… there’s a damn good reason no NFL team wants him, and there are some desperate ones out there.

But yes BB can polish a turd in the form of a 5th rounder who is willing to bust his ass on special teams. Will this translate to college? I dunno. To me for BB to take this huge downgrade of a job, he needs to win the ACC. That’s the standard for a successful season. The bare minimum. For “the greatest HC of all time”……..
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Such a cry baby. So little gratitude. Glad that you’re in the less than 1% of “Patriot” fans that feel that way.
 
rivshark86 said:
BB was using a ton of common sense and clear thinking when he benched Malcom Butler and let Nick Fowks throw for 400 yards in a SB loss where the offense never punted. Dude was literally crying on the sideline during the anthem. Maybe someone here knows something I don’t, but I’ve never heard an explanation for that.
For me that was the turning point.

It had been building, like when he won the coin toss in that jets game and decided to play defense and lost. Great coaching decision right? Or blowing about ten years of 1st and second round draft picks. Outside of Mcourty, Gronk, Mayo, Hightower, how many first or second round draft picks got a second contract from 07 till what 2022? But Kraft is cheap.
Thats why BB lost after Brady left. Because Kraft is cheap and won’t resign these great draft picks who left for better money. Give me a break…… there’s a damn good reason no NFL team wants him, and there are some desperate ones out there.

But yes BB can polish a turd in the form of a 5th rounder who is willing to bust his ass on special teams. Will this translate to college? I dunno. To me for BB to take this huge downgrade of a job, he needs to win the ACC. That’s the standard for a successful season. The bare minimum. For “the greatest HC of all time”……..
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There are more important things than winning or losing a football game.

There are those that understand that, and then there's you.
 
rivshark86 said:
BB was using a ton of common sense and clear thinking when he benched Malcom Butler and let Nick Fowks throw for 400 yards in a SB loss where the offense never punted. Dude was literally crying on the sideline during the anthem. Maybe someone here knows something I don’t, but I’ve never heard an explanation for that.
For me that was the turning point.

It had been building, like when he won the coin toss in that jets game and decided to play defense and lost. Great coaching decision right? Or blowing about ten years of 1st and second round draft picks. Outside of Mcourty, Gronk, Mayo, Hightower, how many first or second round draft picks got a second contract from 07 till what 2022? But Kraft is cheap.
Thats why BB lost after Brady left. Because Kraft is cheap and won’t resign these great draft picks who left for better money. Give me a break…… there’s a damn good reason no NFL team wants him, and there are some desperate ones out there.

But yes BB can polish a turd in the form of a 5th rounder who is willing to bust his ass on special teams. Will this translate to college? I dunno. To me for BB to take this huge downgrade of a job, he needs to win the ACC. That’s the standard for a successful season. The bare minimum. For “the greatest HC of all time”……..
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My sincere thanks for the laugh.

Of course the Philly SB sucked. Tom Brady also threw for 500 yards and the Patriots never punted in that game. Was it really just Malcolm Butler's absence or was that just a component of that?

How about the fact that team came back the following season and not only returned to the SB, but won it? Was that due to everyone but BB? Most teams lose a SB and fade into oblivion. Legion of Boom, Greatest Show on Turf, et. al. I guess 3 SB appearances in 3 years was a fluke - or it was Brady. The same Tom Brady who looked washed in the first half of the first of the ATL SB, and even the most miraculous catch in Patriot history, the Edelman grab, was a terrible throw that should have been picked off. But it wasn't and PHEW FOR THAT!

No one is perfect throughout their careers - not Belichick, not Brady, not anyone. Both of these gentleman gave this region the two greatest decades of any Boston team, ever (and before anyone starts, don't even give me the Celtics; I take nothing away from their accomplishments but the NBA then was not even close to what the 4 major sports leagues are today and unless you went to the games, no one was watching Bill Russell perform live every night).

Plenty of times I've scoffed at BB's or Brady's decisions or antics, but when I add up the collective whole, it nets overwhelmingly positive in all of our favor. There's not a single coach that Bob Kraft could have hired in 2000 that would have given us the two decades no fan base in any sport deserves. Sorry you expect two decades of perfection, even though BB still accomplished more than any other HC in history during that stretch. That shit is solely on YOU and I honestly feel kind of bad for you.
 
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3 Point Stan said:
My sincere thanks for the laugh.

Of course the Philly SB sucked. Tom Brady also threw for 500 yards and the Patriots never punted in that game. Was it really just Malcolm Butler's absence or was that just a component of that?

How about the fact that team came back the following season and not only returned to the SB, but won it? Was that due to everyone but BB? Most teams lose a SB and fade into oblivion. Legion of Boom, Greatest Show on Turf, et. al. I guess 3 SB appearances in 3 years was a fluke - or it was Brady. The same Tom Brady who looked washed in the first half of the first of the ATL SB, and even the most miraculous catch in Patriot history, the Edelman grab, was a terrible throw that should have been picked off. But it wasn't and PHEW FOR THAT!

No one is perfect throughout their careers - not Belichick, not Brady, not anyone. Both of these gentleman gave this region the two greatest decades of any Boston team, ever (and before anyone starts, don't even give me the Celtics; I take nothing away from their accomplishments but the NBA then was not even close to what the 4 major sports leagues are today and unless you went to the games, no one was watching Bill Russell perform live every night).

Plenty of times I've scoffed at BB's or Brady's decisions or antics, but when I add up the collective whole, it nets overwhelmingly positive in all of our favor. There's not a single coach that Bob Kraft could have hired in 2000 that would have given us the two decades no fan base in any sport deserves. Sorry you expect two decades of perfection, even though BB still accomplished more than any other HC in history during that stretch. That shit is solely on YOU and I honestly feel kind of bad for you.
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It's been a long, long time since I've seen someone get pantsed in writing, but you did it, so congrats. Not just
pantsed...diseboweled...
 
rivshark86 said:
BB was using a ton of common sense and clear thinking when he benched Malcom Butler and let Nick Fowks throw for 400 yards in a SB loss where the offense never punted. Dude was literally crying on the sideline during the anthem. Maybe someone here knows something I don’t, but I’ve never heard an explanation for that.
For me that was the turning point.

It had been building, like when he won the coin toss in that jets game and decided to play defense and lost. Great coaching decision right? Or blowing about ten years of 1st and second round draft picks. Outside of Mcourty, Gronk, Mayo, Hightower, how many first or second round draft picks got a second contract from 07 till what 2022? But Kraft is cheap.
Thats why BB lost after Brady left. Because Kraft is cheap and won’t resign these great draft picks who left for better money. Give me a break…… there’s a damn good reason no NFL team wants him, and there are some desperate ones out there.

But yes BB can polish a turd in the form of a 5th rounder who is willing to bust his ass on special teams. Will this translate to college? I dunno. To me for BB to take this huge downgrade of a job, he needs to win the ACC. That’s the standard for a successful season. The bare minimum. For “the greatest HC of all time”……..
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Eight Super Bowl championship rings says what?
 
It's funny ,In a sad way....It was always about Brady.. Belichick whose responsible for the success..?
Kraft felt left out....He kept the team in NE, He Hired BB...(Did some good stuff)
Ego get's in the way(especially if your a billionaire)
Other than Maye.. Pats have hit rock bottom...And they still keep digging :patslogo26:
 
TommyD420 said:
It's the same for the last 10 seasons.
It's the same for the last 25 seasons.
It's the same since Kraft bought the team.
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The Orchids of Asia strip mall “love you long time” massages theme rings true…

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He’s unbelievably tight. There probably could have been even more superbowls if he had opened the wallet at various times to get more players like Randy Moss in etc. time is not going to be kind to Robert Kraft imho.
 
Roberto71 said:
He’s unbelievably tight. There probably could have been even more superbowls if he had opened the wallet at various times to get more players like Randy Moss in etc. time is not going to be kind to Robert Kraft imho.
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Are you claiming that Kraft is not tight with the funds?! Even with the evidence clearly there? One key reason why Kraft tolerated Bill was able to work miracles with the roster on a shoestring budget, and they had a GOAT QB who was willing to take team-friendly deals. Bill was unusual in that he took what little money he was given and spent in on practice squad players for example, making sure those players were the best in the league so when the injuries did inevitably hit, he had players who could really step up.
 
Roberto71 said:
Are you claiming that Kraft is not tight with the funds?! Even with the evidence clearly there? One key reason why Kraft tolerated Bill was able to work miracles with the roster on a shoestring budget, and they had a GOAT QB who was willing to take team-friendly deals. Bill was unusual in that he took what little money he was given and spent in on practice squad players for example, making sure those players were the best in the league so when the injuries did inevitably hit, he had players who could really step up.
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Roberto71 said:
Are you claiming that Kraft is not tight with the funds?! Even with the evidence clearly there? One key reason why Kraft tolerated Bill was able to work miracles with the roster on a shoestring budget, and they had a GOAT QB who was willing to take team-friendly deals. Bill was unusual in that he took what little money he was given and spent in on practice squad players for example, making sure those players were the best in the league so when the injuries did inevitably hit, he had players who could really step up.
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No,no @Roberto71 you don't understand kraft was simultaneously generous and spending all this money while also bb was too tightwadded to give Brady every single wide receiver and skill player that he needed.

#pretzellogic
 
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