Looking at the Patriots 2024

i love judon but his asking for a raise coming off an injury shortened season is 🙄


Agreed. Judon might be overvaluing his role in the team. After last season I'd be pretty at ease with him getting traded/released.

Plus, it's not like Pats are contenders, so there's zero urgency to keep him.

Godchaux is another story, though.
 
Agreed. Judon might be overvaluing his role in the team. After last season I'd be pretty at ease with him getting traded/released.

Plus, it's not like Pats are contenders, so there's zero urgency to keep him.

Godchaux is another story, though.

I get what you're saying, but I think there is a premium that goes along with being a team leader and that is a big part of
what Judon means around the locker room and as our defacto ambassador outside it. Lowball your leaders and it sends a
message. A bad one.

Yes, he's been great when he's been able to play and, yes, he has been hurt and apparently tailed off late in other seasons, but
I'm really hoping there is a happy medium between what he wants to get paid and what the cold, hard data says he is worth. I feel
like he is really essential to our D.

One of the things this team did differently this offseason was sign their best players to market-level deals because it was getting
to the point where guys figured they'd have to move on after their rookie deal was up. That was a 10-year trend and a very bad look
for making Foxboro a magnet for star-quality players.

I want to sign Judon and a vet OT. No reason why we can't do both and still have a fair amount left over. If you asked me what I'd do if we
could have either Judon or Stephon Gilmore (but not both) I'd pass on Gilmore and go with younger players. Much as I'd like to have him, too.

Far as the OT goes, I have to believe the organization has their focus on watching teams that have salary-cap problems that could
be solved by cutting a vet Tackle that would be be a better acquisition than, say, Donovan Smith. Just as in this past draft we have the 3rd
"pick" of waived players and the teams ahead of us, Carolina and Arizona have already invested heavily in the position and, arguably,
don't need one. There has to be one out there.
 
I get what you're saying, but I think there is a premium that goes along with being a team leader and that is a big part of
what Judon means around the locker room and as our defacto ambassador outside it. Lowball your leaders and it sends a
message. A bad one.

Yes, he's been great when he's been able to play and, yes, he has been hurt and apparently tailed off late in other seasons, but
I'm really hoping there is a happy medium between what he wants to get paid and what the cold, hard data says he is worth. I feel
like he is really essential to our D.

One of the things this team did differently this offseason was sign their best players to market-level deals because it was getting
to the point where guys figured they'd have to move on after their rookie deal was up. That was a 10-year trend and a very bad look
for making Foxboro a magnet for star-quality players.

I want to sign Judon and a vet OT. No reason why we can't do both and still have a fair amount left over. If you asked me what I'd do if we
could have either Judon or Stephon Gilmore (but not both) I'd pass on Gilmore and go with younger players. Much as I'd like to have him, too.

Far as the OT goes, I have to believe the organization has their focus on watching teams that have salary-cap problems that could
be solved by cutting a vet Tackle that would be be a better acquisition than, say, Donovan Smith. Just as in this past draft we have the 3rd
"pick" of waived players and the teams ahead of us, Carolina and Arizona have already invested heavily in the position and, arguably,
don't need one. There has to be one out there.

Solid post with good info about Car and AZ. I expect a vet OT will be signed (pending Kraft's approval, of course).
 
DeMario Douglas on his early success in the NFL and breaking some #Patriots rookie receiving records:
“I’m not satisfied at all… I got the rookie record under Bill (Belichick)… I could do so much more. But, I had little injuries and stuff like that that got in the way.
I know I just (got to) come 10 times harder than that, this year. Regardless, I feel like I was blessed. I was blessed to be in this position. But, at the same time I’m like, ‘I know I got more.’ …Don’t get me wrong, I’m proud of what I did. But, I’m not satisfied at all. At all…”

( Rich In Real Life With Jessica Hurley)
 
This might not be the proper thread, but I wanted this to get a little exposure, because it was one hell of a good walk
down memory lane. Jules had Matt Light on a recent "Games With Names" video.

I've always wanted to know more about Matt and had heard much about his rep as a prankster and wildman and he
definitely does not disappoint. He names names and is very candid. He also does the best BB impersonation out there and
tells several hilarious stories about him and seemingly everybody else involved with the team.

I hadn't heard the whole thing but it's worth two hours of your life. Trust me. :rofl:


View: https://youtu.be/1ABkDXgQVXQ?si=jAnvN_uE23lSmWsg
 
To me it screams "The Krafts are cheap".

BB made the model work because he could bring the best out some disgruntled or misused player, but there's no guarantee the model will work without the brains.

I didn't expect them to go all out spending money, but this offseason was one of, if not the most disappointing I've witnessed.

The draft sort of put a bandaid on it because on paper it looks like a solid draft, but that remains to be seen.

Either way I fully expect Pats picking top 5 next season when it's all said and done.

All that said, I hope I'm wrong. I'll gladly eat crow if Pats are .500 or more this season.
This tired narrative that the Krafts are cheap just flies in the face of reality. Take a look at how much has been spent this offseason and then come back and tell me they're cheap. Just because they aren't spending in the way or on who you would like, doesn't make them cheap.
 
This tired narrative that the Krafts are cheap just flies in the face of reality. Take a look at how much has been spent this offseason and then come back and tell me they're cheap. Just because they aren't spending in the way or on who you would like, doesn't make them cheap.
Get your head out of the mud.

Over the past 10 years, the Patriots ranked last in cash spending ($1.62 billion) and were 31st in the league in cash spending in 2023.
"They say we've been low spenders in the last 10 years, and that might be true," Kraft said. "But we had a pretty good record. And we won three Super Bowls." Feb 9, 2024

Robert Kraft pushes back on Patriots' lack of spending narrative​

 
This tired narrative that the Krafts are cheap just flies in the face of reality. Take a look at how much has been spent this offseason and then come back and tell me they're cheap. Just because they aren't spending in the way or on who you would like, doesn't make them cheap.

Oh yeah, that new lighthouse and giant screen is really going to help the Pats win games in the coming years...
 
This tired narrative that the Krafts are cheap just flies in the face of reality. Take a look at how much has been spent this offseason and then come back and tell me they're cheap. Just because they aren't spending in the way or on who you would like, doesn't make them cheap.
No?
Then pray tell, which free agents, other than our own, did they spend significant money on?
How much cap space do they have left?
How does that compare with other NFL teams?

You defending the Krafts is ridiculous based on all of the info that proves the contrary that has come out over the last year or so.
 
I dunno. Look at all the first and second round picks who were not worth resigning over the last 15 years. Maroney, Merriweather, Ras Dowling, the other 2nd round CBs, Chandler Jones “because of the spice police station incident”, Easley, Brown, Harry, Sony, Wyhnn, Solder who got exposed when he didn’t have Brady.
Really it was Gronk, McCourty, and Hightower who were high picks who worth second contracts. I know the Pats got some production out of some of those other guys, but by and large they were not worth giving big money to. For the most part the good draft picks have been reupped for respectable money.
Almost always giving money to the top Free Agents is a huge mistake. I’m glad the Pats stayed away from Calvin Ridley this year.
 
I'll go out on a limb here. If Maye is starting by week 3, we are going to the playoffs. Write it down.
I still think it's a 6-7 team . I won't want Maye playing with patchwork Left side. Hoping Okorafor & Robinson can protect his Blindside.
We will see the new look offense. When you come down to Ohio in September. We have to go Moerlein Lager House for beers :toast:
 
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No?
Then pray tell, which free agents, other than our own, did they spend significant money on?
How much cap space do they have left?
How does that compare with other NFL teams?

You defending the Krafts is ridiculous based on all of the info that proves the contrary that has come out over the last year or so.
Lol, exactly what I'm talking about, spending hundreds of millions on their own free agents doesn't count?
 
First of all, you cannot blame the Krafts for not spending. Bill Belichick had control of every dollar spent or put away and got a bonus for himself for every unspent dollar. BB was the guy who decided who got a second contract and what free agents were signed. In his twenty two years as the GM/HC did he jump in to the FA pool on day before or the first day of free agency?? Never!!! He always picked up the cheap leftovers on Day 3 or 4.

This year, there were not many needed free agents by the Patriots. Please don't say Calvin Ridley. ZHe wasn't coming to snow country on his worst day. That and girlfriend didn't want to move north of Tennessee.

Left tackle is the only thing I'm having a real hard time getting my mind around. There are two outstanding LTs still not signed. David Bahktari (GB) and Donovan Smith (KC). The problem is that both are over 30 and both want three or more years on a contract. AND The both want more than $15M a year.
Both would be an anchor on the left side.

If I were Wolfe, I'd put a 3 year $36M contract out there with $15M guaranteed to the first of the two who put ink on it. I guarantee that one of them would cripple the other to grab the pen.
 
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