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If you don't sign him, you need to trade him. You can't let an asset like that walk for nothing. Judon's certainly part of my 'age out' 3-year defense plan, and I won't cry if they get something for him - putting up stats on a dogshit team really isn't doing much for anyone.

What I won't tolerate is the revisionist history. Like 'he was paid for his production'. No, he was vastly underpaid for his production, to the point where Belichick gave him bonus bumps the last two years. The money he's looking for is still nowhere near top of the market.

If you're not going to re-sign him for youth movement reasons - cool. If you let him walk for nothing, then it's terrible front office work. If you're being prevented from signing him by Bob Kraft, well, that's just par for the course. I feel like in this new regime, we might actually find out the answer, eventually.
 
Roberto71 said:
Judon walked off the field after having words with Mayo.

I don't like this. This shit did not happen under Bill.
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This has been my biggest worry about retaining Judon.
He’s fine or even outstanding when he’s happy, but the guy’s personality has the potential to blow up a locker room.
 
Judon shows up his new coach in public. Mayo needs to drop the hammer and trade him, stat. Judon ought to make it through a season before stamping his feet and pouting.
 
patswin said:
Judon shows up his new coach in public. Mayo needs to drop the hammer and trade him, stat. Judon ought to make it through a season before stamping his feet and pouting.
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Absolutely right. Make an example.
 
I love Judon, but I've also been waiting for an opportunity for Mayo to breathe a little fire and show people that he's not their Dutch Uncle.

The head guy has to be able to get on his best players and message the rest of them that this isn't YMCA summer camp and they don't
get to sit around and make friendship bracelets. He's gotta get them ready for war.

I say fuck all the "4-win" predictions and PFF rankings. Nobody knows what this team will be until they are playing somebody else for real. I'm getting
tired of all the sky am falling bullshit I'm hearing everywhere. Until I see evidence to the contrary I am going to believe that last year was absolute
rock-bottom and expect we will become a dangerous, competitive team that is capable of shutting some people up and earning a little respect.

Nobody has to agree with me, but doesn't feeling shitty about the Patriots' chances make you feel horrible? If so, then don't. It ain't over when it
hasn't even started yet.

Anybody that wants to panic that Drake Maye is a bust after one padded practice, then be my guest. Go for it. We live in an era of instant gratification
and he hasn't proved shit yet. Point condeded.

Thing is, I don't need no fucking proof. I've believe I've seen who he is and soon enough everybody will too. In the meantime, I've grabbed a prime seat in the
empty bandwagon. Don't wait long, because it'll be full up before long.
 
The 4 win thing was kinda BS all along in my opinion. They couldn't be much worse on offense this year than last for sure. I had them maybe around 6 wins and if things broke better who knows a couple more. Now, with Barmore out, Judon probably gone..the D line is shambles. I dunno man, that might be good bought to cull 2 wins off the table. Thats huge, huge news.

The Drake Maye takes are horrendous. Daniels and Williams have been running with the ones all camp. Maye has gotten the 2s. Big difference imo plus it was ONE padded practice. People can be so dumb.
 
Hawg73 said:
I love Judon, but I've also been waiting for an opportunity for Mayo to breathe a little fire and show people that he's not their Dutch Uncle.

The head guy has to be able to get on his best players and message the rest of them that this isn't YMCA summer camp and they don't
get to sit around and make friendship bracelets. He's gotta get them ready for war.

I say fuck all the "4-win" predictions and PFF rankings. Nobody knows what this team will be until they are playing somebody else for real. I'm getting
tired of all the sky am falling bullshit I'm hearing everywhere. Until I see evidence to the contrary I am going to believe that last year was absolute
rock-bottom and expect we will become a dangerous, competitive team that is capable of shutting some people up and earning a little respect.

Nobody has to agree with me, but doesn't feeling shitty about the Patriots' chances make you feel horrible? If so, then don't. It ain't over when it
hasn't even started yet.

Anybody that wants to panic that Drake Maye is a bust after one padded practice, then be my guest. Go for it. We live in an era of instant gratification
and he hasn't proved shit yet. Point condeded.

Thing is, I don't need no fucking proof. I've believe I've seen who he is and soon enough everybody will too. In the meantime, I've grabbed a prime seat in the
empty bandwagon. Don't wait long, because it'll be full up before long.
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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!? Hell No!




j/k - I like your positive attitude and we have no idea how things will look once they start playing someone for real. tough week so far with Barmore now Judon's stuff. but it's a long training camp/ preseason (it always feels long) so plenty of time for things to go one way or the other
 
Love all the Maye BS from the reporters.

Bedard "Rough day again for Maye..blah blah blah. Probably doesn't help that Mafi is his center."

No shit Sherlock. Jesus these reporters are pretty much a-holes.
 
Patriots44 said:
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!? Hell No!




j/k - I like your positive attitude and we have no idea how things will look once they start playing someone for real. tough week so far with Barmore now Judon's stuff. but it's a long training camp/ preseason (it always feels long) so plenty of time for things to go one way or the other
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I record the training camp show on Boston Sports. At the end of the show they have a stock up/stock down segment. That's when I stop and delete the recording.
As you said, it's a long preseason. I'll decide whose up or down when I see the team play real games.
 
ViperGTS said:
Love all the Maye BS from the reporters.

Bedard "Rough day again for Maye..blah blah blah. Probably doesn't help that Mafi is his center."

No shit Sherlock. Jesus these reporters are pretty much a-holes.
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I read something a week or so ago that suggested that Mafi had a pretty good rookie season.

No, he didn't and I wish I remembered who wrote that. Mafi was possibly the worst player on a bad line. Granted, he was
forced into action when Strange got hurt when he should have been safely on the bench, but, let's see......he was overweight, slow,
a terrible pass blocker, showed really poor balance, messed up on combo blocks and without looking it up had a lot of pre-snap
flags. If I was forced to find a positive attribute, I'd say in the rare times he squares up on a guy he showed the ability to drive block,
but that alone wasn't enough to invest in, imo. Eat the draft pick and go with somebody/anybody else. Jake Andrews looked like an
all-pro compared to Mafi.

Giving up on a rookie isn't generally a smart bet, because a lot of excellent Patriots were terrible as rookies, but I feel pretty confident
about this one. He will be an early cut.

I also read that Mafi was our "4th string Center". That should tell everybody what they need to know. I don't even know who #3 is.
 
Hawg73 said:
I read something a week or so ago that suggested that Mafi had a pretty good rookie season.

No, he didn't and I wish I remembered who wrote that. Mafi was possibly the worst player on a bad line. Granted, he was
forced into action when Strange got hurt when he should have been safely on the bench, but, let's see......he was overweight, slow,
a terrible pass blocker, showed really poor balance, messed up on combo blocks and without looking it up had a lot of pre-snap
flags. If I was forced to find a positive attribute, I'd say in the rare times he squares up on a guy he showed the ability to drive block,
but that alone wasn't enough to invest in, imo. Eat the draft pick and go with somebody/anybody else. Jake Andrews looked like an
all-pro compared to Mafi.

Giving up on a rookie isn't generally a smart bet, because a lot of excellent Patriots were terrible as rookies, but I feel pretty confident
about this one. He will be an early cut.

I also read that Mafi was our "4th string Center". That should tell everybody what they need to know. I don't even know who #3 is.
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Agreed on Mafi, he and Lowe were the week links on the line. This is one of the reasons why I think this year's team will over perform. With Robinson flashing I doubt Mafi makes the team, and with Wallace flashing, and with Okorafor and Anderson I doubt Lowe will have many snaps this year (400 plus last year I believe).
 
DarnSyd said:
Agreed on Mafi, he and Lowe were the week links on the line. This is one of the reasons why I think this year's team will over perform. With Robinson flashing I doubt Mafi makes the team, and with Wallace flashing, and with Okorafor and Anderson I doubt Lowe will have many snaps this year (400 plus last year I believe).
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Lowe was awful as well, but I think he was just too small to play Tackle. He's one of those guys' who just looks smaller on the field than his listed height and weight, but even though
he moves fairly well I wouldn't waste time on looking at him at Guard. Just not physical enough to succeed as an NFL OL. He gets tossed around by anybody with strength.

Why this organization brought in Lowe, Wheatley and Anderson at Tackle last year is a complete mystery to me. Not that I've seen a lot of the latter two, but neither looks
to have the physicality to play NFL OT, either. That was a horrendous job by the pro scouting people last season, imo. Cadean Wallace has a lot to prove to win the LT job, but at least he would appear to have decent initial playing strength as one tool to work with.

We're definitely reaped what we sowed by not investing sufficiently in the trenches last year. It's impossible to feel upbeat about what will happen this season but we'll just have to see
how it plays out through the summer to see if we can maybe approach average with some development. It's not a lot to feel great about, but the possibility still exists.

I pointed out a few weeks back that we have the 3rd pick of the waiver wire and the teams ahead of us seem to be well set at OT, so our best hope might be a capable vet
getting cut for cap space. If one comes available and we choose not to sign him then I'm going to be really pissed off, but I have to believe we are banking on that
happening and making sure we can get it done financially.
 
Hawg73 said:
Lowe was awful as well, but I think he was just too small to play Tackle. He's one of those guys' who just looks smaller on the field than his listed height and weight, but even though
he moves fairly well I wouldn't waste time on looking at him at Guard. Just not physical enough to succeed as an NFL OL. He gets tossed around by anybody with strength.

Why this organization brought in Lowe, Wheatley and Anderson at Tackle last year is a complete mystery to me. Not that I've seen a lot of the latter two, but neither looks
to have the physicality to play NFL OT, either. That was a horrendous job by the pro scouting people last season, imo. Cadean Wallace has a lot to prove to win the LT job, but at least he would appear to have decent initial playing strength as one tool to work with.

We're definitely reaped what we sowed by not investing sufficiently in the trenches last year. It's impossible to feel upbeat about what will happen this season but we'll just have to see
how it plays out through the summer to see if we can maybe approach average with some development. It's not a lot to feel great about, but the possibility still exists.

I pointed out a few weeks back that we have the 3rd pick of the waiver wire and the teams ahead of us seem to be well set at OT, so our best hope might be a capable vet
getting cut for cap space. If one comes available and we choose not to sign him then I'm going to be really pissed off, but I have to believe we are banking on that
happening and making sure we can get it done financially.
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ViperGTS said:
Love all the Maye BS from the reporters.

Bedard "Rough day again for Maye..blah blah blah. Probably doesn't help that Mafi is his center."

No shit Sherlock. Jesus these reporters are pretty much a-holes.
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Well at least they are being balanced, Thursday and today it seems that Maye has bounced back. I don’t mind it so long as they are reporting the good as eagerly as the bad. We all knew Maye was going to have ups and downs and it seems like that’s what’s happening. It’s also only 8 practices in, no need to panic, and with the exception of tollin Volin the rest seem to be reporting it fairly.
 
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