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Sean- son of Lifer said:
These list always make me laugh. Not one team has started training came let alone put a team on the field in pads against anything. That list is almost as reliable as a fox news broadcast.
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It's been proven consistently that teams don't win games on paper. The Jets should have made the playoffs last year :lol: I do believe we will see a big improvement on both sides. Now that we have a coaching staff that's not ill-prepared and over their heads.
 
Bedard hosts Greg Cosell to discuss the Pats' off season and what to expect from Vrabel. Thankfully, Greg dominates the discussion.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqN-yS_EDVk


0:43 - Welcome Guest Greg Cosell
2:26 - What can Patriots fans expect from Mike Vrabel Defense
6:50 - Impressions of Milton Williams
8:13 - What kind of Safety is Marcus Epps?
9:31 - Thoughts on Defensive Free Agents Patriots added this offseason
10:52 - Thoughts on Offensive Free Agents Patriots added this offseason
13:26 - Prizepicks
14:06 - Will Campbell
17:33 - TreVeyon Henderson
22:40 - Kyle Williams
25:37 - Factor
27:34 - Craig Woodson
32:04 - Bradyn Swinson
34:14 - Joshua Farmer
35:50 - Recapping Patriots Draft
37:15 - Wrapping up
 
king of kings said:
I'm repeating my previous question: Who do you believe will be Maye's top two wide receiver options this year? The status of Diggs' return remains uncertain. There is a big difference between physical conditioning and game shape. Protection and separation will be essential to Maye taking the next step in his development.
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Do you think these weren't addressed? There is no pure #1, but there are maybe 20 true #1s in the league, so I can't worry about it. If you don't have a #1, you need to make sure that your #3/4/5 options are better than the coverage available, and the Patriots are on track to accomplish that with Diggs/Williams/Henry/Pop/Henderson/Bourne/Hollis/Hooper/Boutte.
 
king of kings said:
Thank you for giving a honest answer. . Achieving a winning record is certainly the goal for this year. However, I am not convinced that we will mirror the success of the Texans or Commanders. When assessing the vital questions, who will rise to become Maye's top WRs? Will the O-line, comprised of Campbell, Strange, Bradberry, Onwenu and Morse. Give him the protection in the pocket to make plays?
The wide receiver battle will be very important in training camp. It will determine if Polk and Baker's disastrous rookie season was caused by over their heads coaching staff. Last year, it was just Boutte and Douglas, and they were ranked as the worst wide receiver group in the NFL.
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Do you think Boutte, Bourne, Douglas would be excellent as #3-5 WRs, though? Because there's every chance that's where we are by midseason. And that's not accounting for the fact that there are 3, not 2, ahead of them, and Polk/Baker/Chism as other possibilities behind them. Do you not think that 5-6 of those 9 will emerge? Or are you so set on needing an alpha #1 that none of that matters?

What do you think of the theory that for a young QB learning to be a distributor, it's more important that he have multiple good weapons than one great one, so he's learning and constantly reinforcing that his favorite receiver needs to be the open one rather than forcing it to "his #1 guy?"
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
Do you think Boutte, Bourne, Douglas would be excellent as #3-5 WRs, though? Because there's every chance that's where we are by midseason. And that's not accounting for the fact that there are 3, not 2, ahead of them, and Polk/Baker/Chism as other possibilities behind them. Do you not think that 5-6 of those 9 will emerge? Or are you so set on needing an alpha #1 that none of that matters?

What do you think of the theory that for a young QB learning to be a distributor, it's more important that he have multiple good weapons than one great one, so he's learning and constantly reinforcing that his favorite receiver needs to be the open one rather than forcing it to "his #1 guy?"
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The Bears are a great example of what the Pats are trying not to do.

Bears got Odunze for Caleb Williams without addressing the OL. How did it work out? Well, despite the hype and potential Williams often looked rattled and hurried. Odunze didn't quite have the numbers of a top 10 pick, either.

Initially that's why I was so against the Diggs signing, but now it makes more sense. I feel if the OL, which looks much improved on paper, ends up panning out there will be a clear pecking order of WRs currently in the roster.

Keep in mind Maye had the same below average WRs and not-so-hot protection last season yet his potential couldn't be denied. I feel some stability in protection will help him develop the right way.

It's also worth mentioning McDaniels knows a thing or two about grooming young QBs, so there's that, too.
 
king of kings said:
I'm repeating my previous question: if expect them to have the same Commanders success story . Who do you believe will be Maye's top two wide receiver options this year?
The status of Diggs' return remains uncertain. There is a big difference between physical conditioning and game shape. Protection and separation will be essential to Maye taking the next step in his development.
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Diggs/Douglas/Henry should be more than good enough, if you have a real OC (you do) and good running backs (We'll see)
Maybe Chism pans out and supplants Douglas, or maybe they find another role, and maybe Williams pans out like we all hope.

I think Diggs makes a difference even if he doesn't get his famous separation. He's an incredible route-runner. That's his game. Even if it's 65-70 catches instead of the usual 80-90, that makes you instantly better.
 
SkiptoMyLou said:
The Bears are a great example of what the Pats are trying not to do.

Bears got Odunze for Caleb Williams without addressing the OL. How did it work out? Well, despite the hype and potential Williams often looked rattled and hurried. Odunze didn't quite have the numbers of a top 10 pick, either.

Initially that's why I was so against the Diggs signing, but now it makes more sense. I feel if the OL, which looks much improved on paper, ends up panning out there will be a clear pecking order of WRs currently in the roster.

Keep in mind Maye had the same below average WRs and not-so-hot protection last season yet his potential couldn't be denied. I feel some stability in protection will help him develop the right way.

It's also worth mentioning McDaniels knows a thing or two about grooming young QBs, so there's that, too.
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He made Mac Jones a pro bowler, and Matt Cassel a 15-year pro.
 
TommyD420 said:
Diggs/Douglas/Henry should be more than good enough, if you have a real OC (you do) and good running backs (We'll see)
Maybe Chism pans out and supplants Douglas, or maybe they find another role, and maybe Williams pans out like we all hope.

I think Diggs makes a difference even if he doesn't get his famous separation. He's an incredible route-runner. That's his game. Even if it's 65-70 catches instead of the usual 80-90, that makes you instantly better.
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I agree, and thank you for mentioning RBs. Having a balanced offensive attack coming from a blend of WR, TE, and RB is more important than having a true number one WR.

The Patriots should have a balanced group of skill posposition players on the field at any given time, baring injuries, and have explosive offensive players who will create mismatches that they didn't have last year.

They also have reliable complementary players like Hollins and Henry, who are already surprisingly efficient when thrown to, and who should benefit from having more explosive players surrounding them.
 
king of kings said:
I'm repeating my previous question: if expect them to have the same Commanders success story . Who do you believe will be Maye's top two wide receiver options this year?
The status of Diggs' return remains uncertain. There is a big difference between physical conditioning and game shape. Protection and separation will be essential to Maye taking the next step in his development.
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You're taking the off-season WAY too seriously. This is a time when nothing is certain and we are all guessing, or as Dusty Springfield sang, "Wishing and hoping and dreaming and planning" about how the season might unfold. People with rose colored glasses are happy and excited, and people with poop covered glasses are all doomy and gloomy. Ooo-bla-di, ooo-bla-di-dah.

None of it matters except that this is an exciting time for many fans. We're all 0-0 and ANYTHING is possible.

If we waited until the end of the season to make our predictions, they wouldn't the predictions, now, would they?
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
Do you think Boutte, Bourne, Douglas would be excellent as #3-5 WRs, though? Because there's every chance that's where we are by midseason. And that's not accounting for the fact that there are 3, not 2, ahead of them, and Polk/Baker/Chism as other possibilities behind them. Do you not think that 5-6 of those 9 will emerge? Or are you so set on needing an alpha #1 that none of that matters?

What do you think of the theory that for a young QB learning to be a distributor, it's more important that he have multiple good weapons than one great one, so he's learning and constantly reinforcing that his favorite receiver needs to be the open one rather than forcing it to "his #1 guy?"
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Don't forget we got Randy Moss in like August, and I think West Welker about the same time frame. You may have better wide receivers in september, a lot better, I may not. But we will either have what we have now, or something better.
 
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