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No love for Rohan Davey? Michael Bishop? Both were undefeated as starters, dontcha know...

But in all seriousness, where would Flutie fall? Behind those 5, but ahead of Eason?
 

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Grogan - Bledsoe is a tough call. Grogan was tough and I loved him, but Bledsoe was the guy who turned the Patriots around. As you say, and I htink ...Muse?... you had to live through those lean years to fully appreciate what we have now.

But I'd have to put Bledsoe between Brady and Grogan as 1-2-3. #4 would be Parelli. Plunkett was awesome but he's still #5 based on what he did for the Patriots, not SF or the Raiders. I do feel badly for him because he got ed agaimthe shit beat out of him playing for the Pats.
Plunkett sacrificed his body for the pats. It's a miracle he ever walked again.

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Grogan had heart, will, and an arm. Decision making, at least late in his career, did not seem to be his forte, though....
Early Grogan had legs, too. If he were in the league today, he'd be compared to Josh Allen.
 

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Early Grogan had legs, too. If he were in the league today, he'd be compared to Josh Allen.
In all, six NFL quarterbacks have scored 11 or more rushing touchdowns in a season:

1. Cam Newton, 2011: 14

T-2. Steve Grogan, 1976: 12

T-2. Cam Newton, 2020: 12

T-4. Johnny Lujack, 1950: 11

T-4. Tobin Rote, 1956: 11

T-4. Kordell Stewart, 1997: 11

T-4. Kyler Murray, 2020: 11
 

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In all, six NFL quarterbacks have scored 11 or more rushing touchdowns in a season:

1. Cam Newton, 2011: 14

T-2. Steve Grogan, 1976: 12

T-2. Cam Newton, 2020: 12

T-4. Johnny Lujack, 1950: 11

T-4. Tobin Rote, 1956: 11

T-4. Kordell Stewart, 1997: 11

T-4. Kyler Murray, 2020: 11
That is just amazing, even more so that only Newton a nd Grogan are in the top 3 with 12.
 

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No love for Rohan Davey? Michael Bishop? Both were undefeated as starters, dontcha know...

But in all seriousness, where would Flutie fall? Behind those 5, but ahead of Eason?
That would be interesting, lining up favorite players of all time. Bumping Bill Lenkitis and Pete Brock against recent guys Dan Koppen and David Andrews, Bruce armstrong vs Matt Light.

Fun, but I think an exercise for the time between OTAs and tc.

SOme comparisons would be tough on the old timers, Russ Francis shaded by Gronkowski, some the other way around: Logan Mankins up against John Hannah.

We should make a series of polls next July!!!!!
 

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Grogan - Bledsoe is a tough call. Grogan was tough and I loved him, but Bledsoe was the guy who turned the Patriots around. As you say, and I htink ...Muse?... you had to live through those lean years to fully appreciate what we have now.

But I'd have to put Bledsoe between Brady and Grogan as 1-2-3. #4 would be Parelli. Plunkett was awesome but he's still #5 based on what he did for the Patriots, not SF or the Raiders. I do feel badly for him because he got the shit beat out of him playing for the Pats.
I was thinking of putting Parilli on my list of best ab's on the Pats, but I never saw him play, and I wanted to stick to the guys I saw play for the Pats.
 

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No love for Rohan Davey? Michael Bishop? Both were undefeated as starters, dontcha know...

But in all seriousness, where would Flutie fall? Behind those 5, but ahead of Eason?
I'll never forget, that one season, Flutie started a few games for the Patriots, and the team was winning. Then came the last regular season game, when a win may have put us in the playoffs, and Eason was healthy to play, so he was given the start by the head coach. I wasn't happy, because Flutie was doing well enough to win (and he was kind of famous for winning that big college game, a few years earlier). Eason didn't play well, and lost. Who was the head coach of the Pats? It was the late 1980's.
 
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I'll never forget, that one season, Flutie started a few games for the Patriots, and the team was winning. Then came the last regular season game, when a win may have just us in the playoffs, and Eason was healthy to play, so he was given the start by the head coach. I wasn't happy, because Flutie was doing well enough to win (and he was kind of famous for winning that big college game, a few years earlier). Eason didn't play well, and lost. Who was the head coach of the Pats? It was the late 1980's.
Must have been 1988. Flutie played for the Pats in 1987, 1988, and 1989, but they won their last game in 1987, and were nowhere near the playoffs in 1989.

Raymond Berry was the coach in 1988.
 

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I'll never forget, that one season, Flutie started a few games for the Patriots, and the team was winning. Then came the last regular season game, when a win may have put us in the playoffs, and Eason was healthy to play, so he was given the start by the head coach. I wasn't happy, because Flutie was doing well enough to win (and he was kind of famous for winning that big college game, a few years earlier). Eason didn't play well, and lost. Who was the head coach of the Pats? It was the late 1980's.
Flutie was just plain screwed at every Golden Opportunity. Think rob Johnson and the Music City Miracle.
 

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Early Grogan had legs, too. If he were in the league today, he'd be compared to Josh Allen.
Yeah, I've seen the highlights. Unfortunately, Late Grogan also thought he had legs. Or maybe the neckroll just caused too much wind resistance and slowed him down.

I'll admit that he probably wasn't helped by the play-calling. I remember as a child asking my dad if there was a rule that made the Patriots call runs on 1st and 2nd downs, and pass on 3rd. Run, run, pass, punt. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 

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I'll never forget, that one season, Flutie started a few games for the Patriots, and the team was winning. Then came the last regular season game, when a win may have put us in the playoffs, and Eason was healthy to play, so he was given the start by the head coach. I wasn't happy, because Flutie was doing well enough to win (and he was kind of famous for winning that big college game, a few years earlier). Eason didn't play well, and lost. Who was the head coach of the Pats? It was the late 1980's.
Yeah, Flutie was like 6-3 as a starter or something like that, and dragged the team to the playoffs in time for Eason to come back and take a big, steaming dump on the season.

And yes, BT, Flutie got roundly hosed by the NFL. Our loss, Toronto's gain.
 
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