Mac Jones Is Our QB1

[spacecrime]

It doesn't help your team get better if the fan base accepts losing long-term. And people who've been fans of the Celtics, Patriots, and/or Bruins for any real length of time should be well aware of that, given the history of those teams.

I'm pretty sure that if you listed all the ways a team could get better, then changes in the attitude of the fans wouldn't help our team get better nearly as much as quality of players, coaching, training, FA signings, drafting, trades, ownership, facilities, food served to players in the facility, etc etc.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm pretty sure that if you listed all the ways a team could get better, then changes in the attitude of the fans wouldn't help our team get better nearly as much as quality of players, coaching, training, FA signings, drafting, trades, ownership, facilities, food served to players in the facility, etc etc.

The point is that the fans desire for a win or loss is irrelevant to how the team plays. And a simple truth of the NFL is that you get the pick of the QBs if you draft #1, and you get the leavings as your draft slot gets lower. Another simple truth is that today's game revolves more around the QB than it ever has, so drafting an elite QB gives you more of an edge than it has in the past. So, if your team is out of the playoffs early, does not have an elite QB (or elite pass rusher, OLT, or WR, and maybe TE for that matter) and clearly has no chance to turn things around, the best thing for the team's future is to suck.

So, it's silly to question someone's fandom for them choosing the preference that is more likely to lead to better opportunity to draft the needed player.

 

[ParanoidPatriot]

I'm pretty sure that if you listed all the ways a team could get better, then changes in the attitude of the fans wouldn't help our team get better nearly as much as quality of players, coaching, training, FA signings, drafting, trades, ownership, facilities, food served to players in the facility, etc etc.

I've never seen a fan base draft a player, sign a FA, or hire a coaching staff.

 

[Deus Irae]

I've never seen a fan base draft a player, sign a FA, or hire a coaching staff.

Take it up with this poster, who thinks it's a fandom problem to be ok with short-term struggle for long-term game:

It's called be a actual Patriots fan. Supporting the team win or lose. Not only when it's convenient . That why those fans are called Fair weather , Band wagon , Brady Era & pink hats. If that's your fandom find another team

 

[aloyouis]

Karen Guregian: Super Bowl winning quarterback helps deconstruct Mac Jones

One Pro Football Hall of Fame quarterback wonders why Mac Jones has fallen to such depths.

www.masslive.com

"Part of the answer likely involves being coached by a defensive coach pretending to be an offensive coach last year. Another is having an offensive line that’s made Jones gun-shy because of being hit so much. A third part might be having no one in his arsenal who can separate and get open against man coverage."

Room temp IQ can see this.

Bill may not be done killing him yet. Only time will tell.

 

[Roberto71]

"Part of the answer likely involves being coached by a defensive coach pretending to be an offensive coach last year. Another is having an offensive line that’s made Jones gun-shy because of being hit so much. A third part might be having no one in his arsenal who can separate and get open against man coverage."

Room temp IQ can see this.

Bill may not be done killing him yet. Only time will tell.

He's a poor QB mate. He can do better with another team, but he has a clear ceiling,'Lack of separation" and 'Poor O Lines" does not excuse his decision making which was mentioned in his draft notes. he has a poor arm and doesn't have the physical size or speed to get around his deficiencies.

I mean his weaknesses were clearly listed in his draft notes on NFL.com. Look at the last 5 and tell me that hasn't come true.

Weaknesses

• Very thin lower body and struggles to fight off rush contact.
• Slow ball handler on RPOs.
• Leaves back half behind in his follow-through.
• Average release quickness.
• Locks in on a target rather than honoring the progressions.
• Doesn't play with the desired poise of an NFL starter.
• Antsy when reads don't quickly come together.
• Play can be panicky and rushed in the face of pressure.
• Has trouble locating open targets in direction where heat is coming from.
• Would like to see him play with more grit.

Mac Jones Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

 

[TommyD420]

"Part of the answer likely involves being coached by a defensive coach pretending to be an offensive coach last year. Another is having an offensive line that’s made Jones gun-shy because of being hit so much. A third part might be having no one in his arsenal who can separate and get open against man coverage."

Room temp IQ can see this.

Bill may not be done killing him yet. Only time will tell.

Keep fucking that chicken. I'm sure you'll be proven right in the end.

 

[ParanoidPatriot]

"Part of the answer likely involves being coached by a defensive coach pretending to be an offensive coach last year. Another is having an offensive line that’s made Jones gun-shy because of being hit so much. A third part might be having no one in his arsenal who can separate and get open against man coverage."

Room temp IQ can see this.

Bill may not be done killing him yet. Only time will tell.

How does a player go from being the best in his QB class, and chosen to be a Pro Bowl alternate, to a damaged bust?
Mac is not the answer here anymore. But I don't recall all those with 20-20 rear view mirror eyesight saying that his rookie year.

 

[HSanders]

How does a player go from being the best in his QB class, and chosen to be a Pro Bowl alternate, to a damaged bust?
Mac is not the answer here anymore. But I don't recall all those with 20-20 rear view mirror eyesight saying that his rookie year.

some players are better pros than prospects. i don't watch college and don't remember seeing all those negatives in @Roberto71 's post talked about pre-draft. i think a lot of us saw the lack of top-end physical qualities but when he started off playing right away and looked promising, we were optimistic that he could put on the needed beef,tweak some things,etc over the offseason after 2021. i also think that sometimes,people need to/want to/don't realize that just because things go bad,it doesn't follow that they weren't decent or even good once. the positive gets lost in the negative. and the converse is people who see nothing but all the shit the team is now and believe he's just a pawn rather than a part of it.

since things went pretty well when he was a rookie,we didn't see how he reacted under adversity either. i remember being heartened when as a rookie, he threw that terrible pick vs. dallas and bounced right back to make a great throw on the next series. that's an important trait.

his poor mechanics didn't really show up until year 2 because he wasn't dealing with all the other shit until that year. i recall being impressed with his ball handling (fakes,etc) even though he was a rookie. plus ocs who are good bring along rookies slowly. he wasn't being put in as many tough situations yet. all of this is why i think that barring a disasterous situation (like urban meyer)pretty much everything in the nfl is a 3 year thing as far as judging trash or treasure (regimes,players,etc). mac hasn't just regressed partially due to the shitshow around him, but he has also contributed to it. that hasn't improved, and that has been revealing.

 

[ParanoidPatriot]

some players are better pros than prospects. i don't watch college and don't remember seeing all those negatives in @Roberto71 's post talked about pre-draft. i think a lot of us saw the lack of top-end physical qualities but when he started off playing right away and looked promising, we were optimistic that he could put on the needed beef,tweak some things,etc over the offseason after 2021. i also think that sometimes,people need to/want to/don't realize that just because things go bad,it doesn't follow that they weren't decent or even good once. the positive gets lost in the negative. and the converse is people who see nothing but all the shit the team is now and believe he's just a pawn rather than a part of it.

since things went pretty well when he was a rookie,we didn't see how he reacted under adversity either. i remember being heartened when as a rookie, he threw that terrible pick vs. dallas and bounced right back to make a great throw on the next series. that's an important trait.

his poor mechanics didn't really show up until year 2 because he wasn't dealing with all the other shit until that year. i recall being impressed with his ball handling (fakes,etc) even though he was a rookie. plus ocs who are good bring along rookies slowly. he wasn't being put in as many tough situations yet. all of this is why i think that barring a disasterous situation (like urban meyer)pretty much everything in the nfl is a 3 year thing as far as judging trash or treasure (regimes,players,etc). mac hasn't just regressed partially due to the shitshow around him, but he has also contributed to it. that hasn't improved, and that has been revealing.

Want to read a negative Combine report, just read the 2000 report on Tom Brady.

 

[Roberto71]

I remember reading a coach saying that rookie QBs tend to start well in the NFL as the training wheels are still on, imposed by the coaches, and most importantly and critically, opposition defensive coaches aren't up to speed on them, haven't had the time to scheme and attack their weaknesses, All that changes in that critical 2nd season. Opposition coaches, especially in the division, have had ample time to study the QB, and that's why sometimes you see almost dramatic fall-offs in year two. It can take a couple of seasons for the QB to then get over that, and that's when you see the kind of QB you will have going forward.

Of course, any QB needs good coaching, good weapons and a good O line. The Patriots failed miserably with Mac; there is no debate about that. But Mac has shown himself in this challenge as not up to the job. None of the offence's other faults can explain his woeful decision-making and panic in the pocket, which had been known before he set foot in the NFL. But a good set-up around him could have masked some of this. But I personally don't believe even with excellence around him, he would have progressed to be a championship-winning QB.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong if he goes to another team as a backup and takes over and does the job. Who knows.

 

[Big/Sky/Fly]

He's a poor QB mate. He can do better with another team, but he has a clear ceiling,'Lack of separation" and 'Poor O Lines" does not excuse his decision making which was mentioned in his draft notes. he has a poor arm and doesn't have the physical size or speed to get around his deficiencies.

I mean his weaknesses were clearly listed in his draft notes on NFL.com. Look at the last 5 and tell me that hasn't come true.


Mac Jones Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Looks like nothing has changed (from reading those notes)…

 

[Big/Sky/Fly]

some players are better pros than prospects. i don't watch college and don't remember seeing all those negatives in @Roberto71 's post talked about pre-draft. i think a lot of us saw the lack of top-end physical qualities but when he started off playing right away and looked promising, we were optimistic that he could put on the needed beef,tweak some things,etc over the offseason after 2021. i also think that sometimes,people need to/want to/don't realize that just because things go bad,it doesn't follow that they weren't decent or even good once. the positive gets lost in the negative. and the converse is people who see nothing but all the shit the team is now and believe he's just a pawn rather than a part of it.

since things went pretty well when he was a rookie,we didn't see how he reacted under adversity either. i remember being heartened when as a rookie, he threw that terrible pick vs. dallas and bounced right back to make a great throw on the next series. that's an important trait.

his poor mechanics didn't really show up until year 2 because he wasn't dealing with all the other shit until that year. i recall being impressed with his ball handling (fakes,etc) even though he was a rookie. plus ocs who are good bring along rookies slowly. he wasn't being put in as many tough situations yet. all of this is why i think that barring a disasterous situation (like urban meyer)pretty much everything in the nfl is a 3 year thing as far as judging trash or treasure (regimes,players,etc). mac hasn't just regressed partially due to the shitshow around him, but he has also contributed to it. that hasn't improved, and that has been revealing.

It started to unravel after Thanksgiving in his rookie year…

 

[aloyouis]

How does a player go from being the best in his QB class, and chosen to be a Pro Bowl alternate, to a damaged bust?
Mac is not the answer here anymore. But I don't recall all those with 20-20 rear view mirror eyesight saying that his rookie year.

Agreed on both.

We have a mix of those that haven't let go of Brady and can't live without his equal replacement, those that believe cheating (yes, tanking is cheating) is the way to get a QB and others that have been mentally swept up by the first two groups.

They refuse to acknowledge that 2021 happened because to do so invalidates the argument that Mac sucks rather than the fact that Mac has been harpooned by Belichick.

Belichick did not want a successful QB/offense to lead this team. He wants a dominant defense in order to cement his place as the GOAT without Brady.

Mac getting T-boned by Bill is the unfortunate by-product of Belichick's ego.

 

[venecol]

Not about to read through 276 pages but I did peruse the '21 season and boy were there some hot takes. Especially all the posts comparing Corky w/ the Goat during their 1st season. Lol

Honestly, Mac is 10% responsible for the state of the team. Bill otoh is 85% responsible. Throw in 5% for injuries.

View: https://twitter.com/Marima07/status/1726381256819048557?s=19

 

[spacecrime]

Not about to read through 276 pages but I did peruse the '21 season and boy were there some hot takes. Especially all the posts comparing Corky w/ the Goat during their 1st season. Lol

Honestly, Mac is 10% responsible for the state of the team. Bill otoh is 85% responsible. Throw in 5% for injuries.

Welcome to the Planet, and thanks for showing up. We're always looking for new people to come in and start blasting at Belichick right off the bat. Dissing long-term fans for being fans is an unexpected bonus! I assume you're someone's sock puppet? Join your alter ego on ignore.

 

[Dingleberry]

Looks like the Corky to Tyquan connection is ready to heat up after the bye!

View: https://twitter.com/SavageSports_/status/1727031821454757888

 

[king of kings]

The point is that the fans desire for a win or loss is irrelevant to how the team plays. And a simple truth of the NFL is that you get the pick of the QBs if you draft #1, and you get the leavings as your draft slot gets lower. Another simple truth is that today's game revolves more around the QB than it ever has, so drafting an elite QB gives you more of an edge than it has in the past. So, if your team is out of the playoffs early, does not have an elite QB (or elite pass rusher, OLT, or WR, and maybe TE for that matter) and clearly has no chance to turn things around, the best thing for the team's future is to suck.

So, it's silly to question someone's fandom for them choosing the preference that is more likely to lead to better opportunity to draft the needed player.

I just told my friends . I’m meeting in NJ. The patriots Giant’s game . They all agreed it’s one of stupidest things. They ever heard Rooting against the pats. Just to get a better draft pick . That why I will always bring up peoples fandom.
Here’s a news flash just because some elite in College. Doesn’t mean it will translate to success in the Pros .

 

[Deus Irae]

I just told my friends . I’m driving to Patriots giants game. They all agreed it’s one of stupidest things. They ever heard. Rooting against the pats. Just to get a better draft pick . That why I will always bring up peoples fandom.

Your friends are idiots who don't understand how sports work, sorry. What, you think that teams bringing up and/or playing rookies at the end of a season isn't one way of tanking on the sly? Or resting veterans that have "nagging injuries"?


And calling out someone's fandom because they want a better year after a shitty year, and they're smart enough to understand that one way to improve the odds of that is to lose games in the already blown season, is asinine.

 

[king of kings]

Your friends are idiots who don't understand how sports work, sorry. What, you think that teams bringing up and/or playing rookies at the end of a season isn't one way of tanking on the sly? Or resting veterans that have "nagging injuries"?


And calling out someone's fandom because they want a better year after a shitty year, and they're smart enough to understand that one way to improve the odds of that is to lose games in the already blown season, is asinine.

Every fan wants to see a better year. No one should be watching or attending games . Cheering for pats to lose. Proves me right about your fandom. You’re just to stupid to realize it . Have a nice day & GFY
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