Mac Jones Is Our QB1

[Roberto71]

I know, I really don't like the way this is all going. It's unnecessary and petty. There's nothing to be gained by it except a childish venting the spleen.

Though I'm not certain what any of this has to do with Mac Jones, here's an article I found on that with quotes:

Patriots Talk: Does Tom Brady Sr. feel vindication? ‘Damn right'

How does Tom Brady Sr. feel a little more than a week before his son returns to Gillette Stadium to face his old franchise? Our Tom E. Curran caught up with Brady Sr., who was candid as always.

www.nbcsports.com

"Tommy is extraordinarily appreciative of everything that happened during his New England career, and he's more than happy that he's moved on because it was pretty obvious that the Patriot regime felt that it was time for him to move on,"
"And frankly, it may well have been perfect for (Bill) Belichick to move on from him. On the other hand, I think the Tampa Bay Bucs are pretty happy that the decision was made in Foxboro that they didn't want to afford him or didn't want to keep him when his last contract came up."
"Damn right," he told Curran. "Damn right. Belichick wanted him out the door and last year he threw 56 touchdowns. I think that's a pretty good year."
"Very nostalgic," he said. "That was our home for 20 years. The fans embraced Tommy, the city embraced Tommy and the team embraced Tommy for a while. And so, when he comes home it's gonna be a real treat that he spent 20 years making his mark in Boston. We owe a lot to the Patriots and a lot to Boston.
"Like every phase in life, things move on. Our kids get older, our kids move on. They move out of the house, they go elsewhere. And that's kind of what it's like for Tommy right now where he's moved elsewhere and wherever he is, we support our kids, and Tommy's no different than the rest of us."

I expect the 'vindication' is both from the standpoint of those who felt he was done and could not play anymore, as well as those who felt he was a system QB who could not get it done outside of the confines of New England. Probably exacerbated by the number of teams who passed on him despite being freely available, choosing to stick with their starting QB. Regardless, I don't see how any of this is a "slam" on Bill Belichick or a venting of the spleen or anything like that, but to each their own.

Well let's be frank here, His dad had a pop at BB, "The Patriot regime" and the "team embraced Tommy for a while". So the vindicated, hilarious t-shirt (in Patriots colours of course) comes in that context. Allied to Tommy boy's snarky comment on Bill when Bill answered the question about playing to 50, there does seem to be a bit of bitterness there.

 

[aloyouis]

Though I'm not certain what any of this has to do with Mac Jones, here's an article I found on that with quotes:

Patriots Talk: Does Tom Brady Sr. feel vindication? ‘Damn right'

How does Tom Brady Sr. feel a little more than a week before his son returns to Gillette Stadium to face his old franchise? Our Tom E. Curran caught up with Brady Sr., who was candid as always.

www.nbcsports.com

I expect the 'vindication' is both from the standpoint of those who felt he was done and could not play anymore, as well as those who felt he was a system QB who could not get it done outside of the confines of New England. Probably exacerbated by the number of teams who passed on him despite being freely available, choosing to stick with their starting QB. Regardless, I don't see how any of this is a "slam" on Bill Belichick or a venting of the spleen or anything like that, but to each their own.

This is a nice post, my fellow Michigander. Adds clarity via your own words in the last paragraph.

I guess my only real problem with Brady since he left has been his complete Patriots-ectomy, but maybe that is what he needs to do to perform in TB. I suspect that when he retires if he embraces NE and explains he was doing in TB what he needed to do to win there it will be back to a love fest for most of us, including me.

 

[BostonTim]

... if he embraces NE and explains he was doing in TB what he needed to do to win there it will be back to a love fest for most of us, including me.

... and me for sure. So I hope your if, morphs into "when". In fact I'm sure that in the end I will worship the grounds he has walkrd upon, both here and there, regardless. But yes, lets all exit smiling.

Cheers

 

[aloyouis]

What does thou wish to convey, young BT?

 

[Muse]

Mac Jones is our QB1.

 

[aloyouis]

Mac Jones is our QB1.

GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!!

Course correction guidance received....

:LOL:

 

[Muse]

GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!!

Course correction guidance received....

:LOL:

Did I make it that obvious?

 

[Roberto71]

In MAC we trust!!

 

[BostonTim]

What does thou wish to convey, young BT?

Hope your "if he embraces NE..." becomes "when he embraces NE..." . But regardless, I'll worship him. Unconditional love, you might say.

 

[Mazz22]

Finally someone has a realistic take on why Mac threw to Jonnu Smith instead of Agholor who wasn't as wide open as some people have claimed.


View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1440399732161974282

I think it just shows Mac's decision making right now. Rather than hitting an open receiver who has a defender trailing him, he went for the safe play to the TE who was open underneath. Obviously you would rather him hit Nelson for a potential TD but this is where he is at right now in his development - take the sure thing over the explosive play. Again, I think it will come in time.

 

[Giant Octopodes]

In Football Outsiders rankings, Mac Jones currently sits at #20, 1 spot below Lamar Jackson, and 3 below Aaron Rodgers, 5 below Daniel Jones. Their top 10 goes Mahomes, Stafford, Brady, Carr, Bridgewater, Wilson, Taylor, Garoppolo, Murray, Prescott. It's quite early and I'm really only mentioning it because I think it'll be interesting to see his movement up or down (hopefully up!) that list as the year goes on.

 

[Roberto71]

I'm very happy with a rookie QB at number 20 I have to say, and just behind big names like Lamar, Rodgers, Herbert etc.

Overall, the team is number 11 on the list. Not too bad. And 3rd overall on defense, Carolina and Buffalo at 1 and 2.

Only no. 17 on ST though....hmmm., that's not great. We're giving up too much yardage on kick offs.

 

[chevss454]

All this stuff from Brady Sr. is in the Brady forum which is where it needs to be.

Just sayin'.

 

[Muse]

Mac Jones is our QB1.

All this stuff from Brady Sr. is in the Brady forum which is where it needs to be.

Just sayin'.

Which is why I wrote what I wrote.

 

[spacecrime]

I know, I really don't like the way this is all going. It's unnecessary and petty. There's nothing to be gained by it except a childish venting the spleen. And of course, the question is, vindicated from what? The Patriots made a decision not to make the offer Tom wanted, they had to rebuild, the world and his wife knew that and Tom would have had zero success with the Patriots last year with the paltry weapons on offense and an unexpected poor defense that couldn't get the job done either. So what vindication? It would be vindication only if the Patriots had stated they had no faith in Tom, felt he couldn't play anymore and wanted him gone. That was not the case. They both parted, supposedly on good terms, it certainly seemed that way at the time. Only now, a tangible bitterness has built up on the Brady side.

It's no different than Aaron Rogers talking about being vindicated and shutting up the trolls for a while, trolls being the people who thought he didn't play well week one.

I guess if you've been a superstar long enough, ego can grow along with your fame. Jerry Rice was pissed off when Moss scored more touchdowns in a year or something like that, immediately posting some nonsense or something.

It doesn't take away from Brady's, Rogers', or Rice's on-field legacy, but it does stain their off-field images a bit. Not that they care....

 

[PatsFan09]

Though I'm not certain what any of this has to do with Mac Jones, here's an article I found on that with quotes:

Patriots Talk: Does Tom Brady Sr. feel vindication? ‘Damn right'

How does Tom Brady Sr. feel a little more than a week before his son returns to Gillette Stadium to face his old franchise? Our Tom E. Curran caught up with Brady Sr., who was candid as always.

www.nbcsports.com

"Tommy is extraordinarily appreciative of everything that happened during his New England career, and he's more than happy that he's moved on because it was pretty obvious that the Patriot regime felt that it was time for him to move on,"
"And frankly, it may well have been perfect for (Bill) Belichick to move on from him. On the other hand, I think the Tampa Bay Bucs are pretty happy that the decision was made in Foxboro that they didn't want to afford him or didn't want to keep him when his last contract came up."
"Damn right," he told Curran. "Damn right. Belichick wanted him out the door and last year he threw 56 touchdowns. I think that's a pretty good year."
"Very nostalgic," he said. "That was our home for 20 years. The fans embraced Tommy, the city embraced Tommy and the team embraced Tommy for a while. And so, when he comes home it's gonna be a real treat that he spent 20 years making his mark in Boston. We owe a lot to the Patriots and a lot to Boston.
"Like every phase in life, things move on. Our kids get older, our kids move on. They move out of the house, they go elsewhere. And that's kind of what it's like for Tommy right now where he's moved elsewhere and wherever he is, we support our kids, and Tommy's no different than the rest of us."

I expect the 'vindication' is both from the standpoint of those who felt he was done and could not play anymore, as well as those who felt he was a system QB who could not get it done outside of the confines of New England. Probably exacerbated by the number of teams who passed on him despite being freely available, choosing to stick with their starting QB. Regardless, I don't see how any of this is a "slam" on Bill Belichick or a venting of the spleen or anything like that, but to each their own.

No offense, because you’re a great poster, but you’ve also clearly been on Team Brady since he left. Every post of yours seems to be pro-Brady.
Just an observation.


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[Mazz22]

Clearly from what his dad is mouthing off about. I would wager if his dad is saying this, his son thinks exactly the same. It's very disappointing if true.

I think this is silly. There is no vindication, Brady left as a FA. There is validation because he won a SB without Bill/Patriot Way. But validation is not nearly as fun or marketing friendly. LOL

From Shank:

Tom Brady is better at 44 than he was at 24, and it’s amazing - The Boston Globe

The Brady Monster is not going away. It’s only getting worse for Bill Belichick and Bob Kraft.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[Undertaker #59*]

Mac Jones is QB1

 

[Flagg the Wanderer]

So many don't appreciate, have forgotten or willfully ignore the early nurturing provided by BB and all the baby steps Brady needed to begin his career. There were many poor games.
People also forget all the flack BB took as a new HC for sticking with Brady when Bledsoe was right there. I can't imagine the uproar if social media were what it is today.
Brady's training took years before he became TFB and he can thank Belichick for providing that training.

I agree 100%, and I'll go further and say that after nurturing him through the baby steps he put Brady in a position to leverage his strengths for years. After 2004 - which was still a team built on running, defense, and ball control - he wasn't really TFB until Moss/Welker/Stallworth came to town and he really found his mojo by dominating everyone around him. But Belichick worked overtime to try to make sure he had the weapons he needed to succeed in those early years. In those early years, even ignoring FA completely and just looking at the draft, he spent heavily in the early rounds on weapons for Brady and the offense. From 2002 through 2006 In just the first 3 rounds he took 2 first round TEs, Deion Branch and would-be deep threat Bethel Johnson in the 2nd, Mankins and Kaczur for protection and power. Lawrence Maroney, Chad Jackson, and TE David Thomas. In later years, yeah, he spent less on weapons, presumably on the theory that Brady would make players around him better.

I'll go so far as to say I'm not sure he gets to the same level of "TFB-ness" without the 2007 Superteam and the Spygate Revenge Tour. Does he have the same aura of "always being in the game" if Lynch runs for a score in the Seahawks Superbowl and that's a third straight 4th quarter SB loss? If that happens, does everyone have enough belief to come back from 28-3, or is his legacy losing 5 SBs after starting out his career with a 9-0 playoff record?

I know, I really don't like the way this is all going. It's unnecessary and petty. There's nothing to be gained by it except a childish venting the spleen. And of course, the question is, vindicated from what? The Patriots made a decision not to make the offer Tom wanted, they had to rebuild, the world and his wife knew that and Tom would have had zero success with the Patriots last year with the paltry weapons on offense and an unexpected poor defense that couldn't get the job done either. So what vindication? It would be vindication only if the Patriots had stated they had no faith in Tom, felt he couldn't play anymore and wanted him gone. That was not the case. They both parted, supposedly on good terms, it certainly seemed that way at the time. Only now, a tangible bitterness has built up on the Brady side.

Agreed. And on the Patriots fans side, though that may be more a chicken-and-egg question.

Though I'm not certain what any of this has to do with Mac Jones, here's an article I found on that with quotes:

Patriots Talk: Does Tom Brady Sr. feel vindication? ‘Damn right'

How does Tom Brady Sr. feel a little more than a week before his son returns to Gillette Stadium to face his old franchise? Our Tom E. Curran caught up with Brady Sr., who was candid as always.

www.nbcsports.com

"Tommy is extraordinarily appreciative of everything that happened during his New England career, and he's more than happy that he's moved on because it was pretty obvious that the Patriot regime felt that it was time for him to move on,"
"And frankly, it may well have been perfect for (Bill) Belichick to move on from him. On the other hand, I think the Tampa Bay Bucs are pretty happy that the decision was made in Foxboro that they didn't want to afford him or didn't want to keep him when his last contract came up."
"Damn right," he told Curran. "Damn right. Belichick wanted him out the door and last year he threw 56 touchdowns. I think that's a pretty good year."
"Very nostalgic," he said. "That was our home for 20 years. The fans embraced Tommy, the city embraced Tommy and the team embraced Tommy for a while. And so, when he comes home it's gonna be a real treat that he spent 20 years making his mark in Boston. We owe a lot to the Patriots and a lot to Boston.
"Like every phase in life, things move on. Our kids get older, our kids move on. They move out of the house, they go elsewhere. And that's kind of what it's like for Tommy right now where he's moved elsewhere and wherever he is, we support our kids, and Tommy's no different than the rest of us."

I expect the 'vindication' is both from the standpoint of those who felt he was done and could not play anymore, as well as those who felt he was a system QB who could not get it done outside of the confines of New England. Probably exacerbated by the number of teams who passed on him despite being freely available, choosing to stick with their starting QB. Regardless, I don't see how any of this is a "slam" on Bill Belichick or a venting of the spleen or anything like that, but to each their own.

Good stuff.

This is a nice post, my fellow Michigander. Adds clarity via your own words in the last paragraph.

I guess my only real problem with Brady since he left has been his complete Patriots-ectomy, but maybe that is what he needs to do to perform in TB. I suspect that when he retires if he embraces NE and explains he was doing in TB what he needed to do to win there it will be back to a love fest for most of us, including me.

I'm pretty supportive of Brady, and I look forward to being able to be unabashedly so in the future when we're through this.

In Football Outsiders rankings, Mac Jones currently sits at #20, 1 spot below Lamar Jackson, and 3 below Aaron Rodgers, 5 below Daniel Jones. Their top 10 goes Mahomes, Stafford, Brady, Carr, Bridgewater, Wilson, Taylor, Garoppolo, Murray, Prescott. It's quite early and I'm really only mentioning it because I think it'll be interesting to see his movement up or down (hopefully up!) that list as the year goes on.

Thanks to a mix of talent, longevity of some superstars, and the ever-changing rules, there are a lot of high-performing QBs right now. I'm totally okay with him being at #20. In 2001, where would Brady have been after his first 2 starts? And even by the end of the year?

Mac Jones is QB1

This is true, and for this we should all be very grateful. To be able to witness the ups and downs of a rising star QB'ing your team once is amazing. It's very possible that we're going to see it twice, essentially back to back.

And one other thing...
...for all the talk about Jones not having all the "arm talent" of the other first rounders, remember that of all the shortcomings (and it isn't like he's below average, just not extraordinary) he could have, this is the most likely to improve over time. A focused, pro-level strength and conditioning regimen will almost certainly increase his arm strength and whip over the next few years. The benefits of his touch passing, and his placement/precision/command will only be emphasized when he has more options because his arm has continued to mature and develop. I'm content to bring him along slowly, and uncork him strategically as needed both to win games and make sure his development isn't stifled psychologically by holding him back too much.

 

[spacecrime]

From Shank:

Tom Brady is better at 44 than he was at 24, and it’s amazing - The Boston Globe

The Brady Monster is not going away. It’s only getting worse for Bill Belichick and Bob Kraft.

www.bostonglobe.com

Something's gott be done, UT. I suppose I started this iteration by discussing whether or not Jones should be throwing further downfield. Most here think he should, and that BB should cut him loose. Fine. I just wanted to show the remarkable sameness to how BB treated his other first time QBs. Cassel and JimmyG had been in the system for a few years before starting, and Jacoby only started 2 games. Brady is the only one to compare to, as he started the rest of 2001, and how BB treated him is not just eerily similar to how he is treating Mac but he's actually giving Mac more credit.

I understand that merely mentioning Brady is enough to get a thread derailed, but Brady is part of our history and it is fair to look to BB's past to see how he treated a QB in nearly identical circumstances. The problem is Mazz uses every mention of Brady to post stuff like above, nothing to do with how BB treats Mac, just an excuse for her to post how good Brady is doing without BB. I don't read the Brady Forum. Would you consider keeping her there please? Just until Brady retires?

I know she tells me and others if we don't like it, to put her on ignore, and I did for a while, and I didn't see her posts, but the responses she generates pollutes every thread. She has a whole Brady forum to post the above link. Why here? I only read a half dozen or so threads here. The only one that doesn't get hi-jacked regularly is the Suicide Pool thread.

It's your website and it isn't working for many of the active posters here, and the current situation certainly isn't an enticement to stay for any newbie who happens to drop in.

Your website, your rules.