Mvp

no word on the totals yet, wonder how close it was? edit* nevermind thanks bru

thanks for the post chica



oh and Arod is a bunghole
 
I'm really disappointed because I thought that David Ortiz really earned it.
 
Ortiz second to A-Rod in MVP race

Red Sox slugger finishes just 24 points behind Yankees star

By Ian Browne / MLB.com


BOSTON -- The ascension in the American League Most Valuable Player balloting continued for a third straight season for Red Sox slugger David Ortiz. And this time, the left-handed slugger finished barely short of the summit.

After finishing in fifth place in 2003 and fourth last year, Ortiz placed second to Yankees superstar Alex Rodriguez this time around.

As many expected, it was a tight race, similar to the one staged by the Yankees and Red Sox all year long for the AL East title. While that one ended with both teams finishing at 95-67 and making the postseason, Rodriguez, an MVP for the second time in three years, had enough of an edge to take home the trophy.

Of the 28 ballots cast by members of the Baseball Writers Association of America, Ortiz received 11 first-place votes (worth 14 points each) and 17 second-place votes (nine points each). The difference-maker for Rodriguez were the 16 first-place votes. He also received 11 second-place votes and one third-place vote. A-Rod finished with 331 points, compared to 307 by Ortiz.

Ortiz's Red Sox teammate, Manny Ramirez, who has also never won an MVP, finished fourth with 156 points. Vladimir Guerrero of the Angels, who won the MVP a year ago, placed third with 196 points. He received the one first-place vote that wasn't cast for Rodriguez or Ortiz.

Ortiz would have become the first full-time DH to win an MVP award, but the fact that he played just 10 games at first base in 2005 might have hurt his cause. A-Rod, on the other hand, is a superb defender and a good baesrunner.

That's not to take anything away from Ortiz, who has become as feared a hitter as there is in baseball. For the third straight season, Ortiz put up career numbers -- 119 runs, 180 hits, 47 homers, 148 RBIs, 363 total bases, 102 walks and 1.001 OPS -- across the board.

"Anybody can go out there and make a play, but not everybody can come and hit a homer to tie a game or win a game or get a big hit in a big situation," said Ortiz during the 2005 season. "That's the toughest part of this game."

Rodriguez finished with similarly spectacular numbers, hitting .321 to go with 124 runs, 194 hits, 29 doubles, one triple, 48 homers, 130 RBIs, 369 total bases and a .610 slugging percentage.

As has been the case the entire three years Ortiz has been in Boston, so many of his hits in 2005 wound up being game-breakers.

"If we don't have Ortiz, we might not be in this situation," Red Sox center fielder Johnny Damon said in August. "All the game-winning hits, all the come-from-behind wins, it's pretty special."

Ortiz certainly didn't hurt his cause in the voting with the way he finished. In September, Ortiz was at his best, hitting .320 with 11 homers and 29 RBIs.

His 47 homers marked the second-highest total in the prestigious history of the club, trailing only Jimmie Foxx, who smashed 50 in 1950.

Ortiz's power display was especially impressive when you consider that 19 of those 47 homers either tied the game or put the Red Sox ahead.

"This guy is unbelievable human being," said Kevin Millar, Ortiz's teammate the last three years. "He has a heart of gold. And he's unbelievable in the batter's box. So that makes it so much more gratifying. You root for this guy. He's an all-around good guy and the most dangerous left-hander in the big leagues right now. Who's better?"

Ian Browne is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
 
No offense to you AL team fans, but I'm sorry.... The DH is joke and needs to be gotten rid of.


Hey, you're old, you can't run, you can't field, but you can swing a bat... Okay, we've got a job for you. :rolleyes:


Talk about the ultimate stat whores... How many guys, who are over the hill and should be out of baseball, are still able to add H & HR because they go to the AL and become a DH? You don't think Bonds will end up in the AL as a DH? It's ridiculous.

Baseball is offense and DEFENSE. And to be an MVP, IMO ( and obviously in the opinion of the majority of those who vote every year ) you need to contribute on both O & D. Not just hit a bunch of HRs.

That's like giving Manning the MVP because he threw for the most TDs. :shake:
 
What a crock.

It seemed most of A-Rods biggest moments came when the game was allready over for the most part.

How many Games did David Ortiz single-handedly win?

Ortiz is the true MVP. A-Rod is a fraud, in my opinion.
 
There are guys that win the MVP who aren't even that great defensively (look at Bonds). Some people don't think that Ortiz can play defense. He's not the greatest but he's not horrible either. Ortiz should be the MVP. A-Rod is a fraud.
 
Oh yippeeee.....another Patriots Monday afternoon on 'EEI spent talking about the Sox :4321:

They'll be gracious enough to take a short break and allow Belichick to say a few things.
 
mgoblue101415 said:
No offense to you AL team fans, but I'm sorry.... The DH is joke and needs to be gotten rid of.
I agree but if the position exist someone has to play it. Rules are in place it is th ealtering of the rules we disagree with.


as for manning/Ortez comparison - 2 different sports, one driven by individual statistics where doing your job once out of every 3 times is considered an achievement. and football where winning is more to do with a team concept, individual statistics mean nothing, a QB can not pitch a no-hitter to win
 
mgoblue101415 said:
[Baseball is offense and DEFENSE. And to be an MVP, IMO ( and obviously in the opinion of the majority of those who vote every year ) you need to contribute on both O & D. Not just hit a bunch of HRs.

Dennis Eckersly won the MVP as a one inning pitcher, for Christ sakes. MVP is the player who most indispensably contributed to their team's accomplishments. In terms of game winning/tie-ing hits, it should go to Ortiz. Without him, they're not close to being a playoff team.

I agree with alcoholic that the game's more watchable with the DH. Much more interesting with a power hitter instead of an automatic out every 9th at bat.
 
eck was exactly that, a one inning pitcher, who needed to start the inning and not come in with people on board. yes he was lights out, and yes he deserved it.

Big Papi was asked to play DH did the job and now that a H.O.F. player will be inducted shortly as a DH (Edgar Martinez) the voters need to realize this is an actual roster spot in the American League and give credit to the player playing it.

D.O. has had a 3 year run better than any other in the history of DH. and this year his contributions to the Team out weigh the contributions of A-Rod who wasn't even MVP of his own team Rivera was.

If Papi should lose to anyone it should have been Rivera.
 
Ortiz, Rodriguez......Rodriguez, Ortiz

What the Hell is the difference?

I'll take Ortiz every day of the week.
 
They really should figure in salary when considering MVP awards.

A-Rod = overpaid and overhyped

I'd give the MVP award to David Ortiz any day.
 
mgoblue101415 said:
No offense to you AL team fans, but I'm sorry.... The DH is joke and needs to be gotten rid of.


Hey, you're old, you can't run, you can't field, but you can swing a bat... Okay, we've got a job for you. :rolleyes:


Talk about the ultimate stat whores... How many guys, who are over the hill and should be out of baseball, are still able to add H & HR because they go to the AL and become a DH? You don't think Bonds will end up in the AL as a DH? It's ridiculous.

Baseball is offense and DEFENSE. And to be an MVP, IMO ( and obviously in the opinion of the majority of those who vote every year ) you need to contribute on both O & D. Not just hit a bunch of HRs.

That's like giving Manning the MVP because he threw for the most TDs. :shake:
DH > pitchers batting

Defense is as important as special teams in football - not very.
 
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