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A NYTimes article that said the NFL was covering up its concussion problems and also had ties to big tobacco legal counsel to learn how to defend itself.

The NFL has wasted little time with a forceful rebuttal saying the Times ignored facts, made things up and wrote the article with an agenda in mind.

Oh My God. The irony of it all...!!!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...t-on-new-york-times-concussion-research-story
 
A NYTimes article that said the NFL was covering up its concussion problems and also had ties to big tobacco legal counsel to learn how to defend itself.

The NFL has wasted little time with a forceful rebuttal saying the Times ignored facts, made things up and wrote the article with an agenda in mind.

Oh My God. The irony of it all...!!!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...t-on-new-york-times-concussion-research-story

I was thinking exactly the same thing. I hope ol Rog gets hung out to dry on this one.
 
A NYTimes article that said the NFL was covering up its concussion problems and also had ties to big tobacco legal counsel to learn how to defend itself.

The NFL has wasted little time with a forceful rebuttal saying the Times ignored facts, made things up and wrote the article with an agenda in mind.

Oh My God. The irony of it all...!!!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...t-on-new-york-times-concussion-research-story

What's dangerous for the NFL here is that the fans themselves are turning against the league and do not believe a word that comes out of the front office anymore. Look at the comments below the above article. On the NFL's own website, not one supportive comment from any fan.

Troubling times. The arrogance of this league is slowly chipping away at it's once proud lustre.

And the NYT responded to the statement from the NFL clearly refuting all the NFL's attempts to debase the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/s...edCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article
 

Thanks for posting, Lisa. Loved this from that article that has the league going down the very same road over concussions that big tobacco went down over lung cancer...place seeds of doubt, deny, more doubt, pretend to care, pretend to fund research with huge publicity but pull funds back on a Friday night. 94 is a pretty small sample size but when 90/94 football players show CTE, that is eyeopening to the most casual observer. Jerrah is not a casual observer; he has a vested interest in this outcome.

“In the big picture, it should be irrelevant what Roger Goodell or Jerry Jones thinks about the link.” That’s because Nowinski believes we should be past the point of wondering if the link is causal.

“So in the big picture this is nothing more than a ‘Big Tobacco, sowing a seed of doubt’ game plan that only serves to confuse the public,” he said.

“Goodell’s speech was depressing,” Nowinski said. “He’s standing there, saying that, ‘We’re going to let scientists do the right research’ only three months after it was exposed that they weren’t letting the best scientists do the best research when they refused to fund a Boston University-led study, with their supposedly no-strings-attached donation to NIH that was a lie.

“Goodell’s lying so frequently that I almost don’t think it matters anymore.”

ESPN reported that the league opted out of a $16 million grant for the Boston University study, but the NFL denied that. Nowinski believes the NFL was unhappy with the researchers selected by the NIH.
Asked to respond to Nowinski’s various charges, the league instead sent The Post a transcript of Goodell’s answer from Wednesday’s news conference. A follow-up request to specifically address Nowinski received no response.
In another charge that the league is attempting to influence the narrative, The San Jose Mercury News on Wednesday reported that the NFL’s political action committee has made nearly $300,000 in campaign contributions to 41 of the 54 members of a congressional committee reviewing concussion research.
Thursday, The New York Times published a lengthy report accusing the league of underplaying the problem by omitting more than 100 diagnosed concussions from a study that was based on reporting from team physicians from 1996 to 2001. The Times said the league had portrayed it as a “full accounting” of concussions; the league issued a lengthy statement saying, “The studies never claimed to be based on every concussion that was reported or that occurred.” The Times then fired back in a point-by-point Twitter barrage.
Boston University researchers found CTE in 90 of 94 brains of former NFL players they examined, although whether that sample is indicative of retired football players in general is unclear. Late players who had CTE include former Dolphins Earl Morrall and Junior Seau and Pahokee’s Andre Waters, who played for the Eagles.
 
and despite all the talk, movies, and articles about concussions nobody cares, all they care about is the money they gamble on the nfl. fantasy football is now generating revenue on par or greater than the nfl itself.

the only thing that gets an nfl owners attention is $ and there are no signs that any of the concussion, ray rice, deflate gate, or any other scandal is having even the slightest negative impact on the owners bottom line.

we can show all the outrage we want and tsk tsk goodell and the owners but until we as fans stop contributing $$$$ to the bottom line of the nfl, we are the problem. stop being sheep and take a stand, never spend another penny of your money on this sport again.
 
This subject deserves it's own thread, moving posts......


It looks like congress may be getting involved.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/wa3Ei3RE1l">https://t.co/wa3Ei3RE1l</a></p>— daniel kaplan (@dkaplanSBJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/dkaplanSBJ/status/713138014826983424">March 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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This subject deserves it's own thread, moving posts......


It looks like congress may be getting involved.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/wa3Ei3RE1l">https://t.co/wa3Ei3RE1l</a></p>— daniel kaplan (@dkaplanSBJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/dkaplanSBJ/status/713138014826983424">March 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Nice. Like I said before... If it wasn't for the Patriots, the league could go up in flames for all I care.
 
This subject deserves it's own thread, moving posts......


It looks like congress may be getting involved.

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My hope and prayer is that the league one day gets investigated like FIFA did. Can you imagine what would be found?
 
This is awesome. I hope they all go down in flames.

Let's see if they took their great ambassador of the sport, Chris Carter's advice and setup a fall guy.
 
This is all deeply troubling. The NFL has created this giant rod for its own back. And they can't even see it.

And they can't even agree. At the owners meeting John Mara supported The NFLs Miller's statement to the congressional committee that there is a link between football and CTE. But Jerrah Jones said in the same room to reporters that saying there was any link between football and CTE was absurd!!
 
This is all deeply troubling. The NFL has created this giant rod for its own back. And they can't even see it.

And they can't even agree. At the owners meeting John Mara supported The NFLs Miller's statement to the congressional committee that there is a link between football and CTE. But Jerrah Jones said in the same room to reporters that saying there was any link between football and CTE was absurd!!

How Jerrah can claim that is absurd.

If you think about it, the concussion data and player lawsuits have completely altered the NFL as the league has changed its rules significantly to try to prevent them yet concussions were up this year. Parents of young boys are increasingly not putting their sons into football. Then you have players like Borland retiring. The snow ball is really picking up speed and the NFL is really powerless to stop it. Football is a violent game. Just no way to stop head injuries unless you are no longer playing contact football which could be on the horizon in the next 10 years.
 
I just don't get how there can be any denial. Research at this point isn't even needed. I mean, just come out and say "Playing football can cause brain injury, CTE, ALS, and traumatic neurological function. Play at your own risk."

Isn't it like posting a sign in the water that says "Danger: Sharks in water. Swim at your own risk."

Why keep denying it? It just serves no purpose other than to make you look deceitful.
 
I just don't get how there can be any denial. Research at this point isn't even needed. I mean, just come out and say "Playing football can cause brain injury, CTE, ALS, and traumatic neurological function. Play at your own risk."

Isn't it like posting a sign in the water that says "Danger: Sharks in water. Swim at your own risk."

Why keep denying it? It just serves no purpose other than to make you look deceitful.

I think the problem is the future of the sport.

If I were handed a release that said this when my 12 year old signed up to play youth football, or my 16 year old signed up for High School Football, I'd think more than twice about finding another athletic endeavor.

I'm 52 years old and I never played football beyond High School, I was fortunate enough to never have a major injury, but even so I still have chronic aches and pains that were caused by playing the game. I do worry that at some point my brain function might be effected by the day to day "pops" and the 2 or 3 solid concussions I suffered.

I did love playing but I never regretted my son choosing soccer over football when he entered High School.
 
And I think Bruce Arians was way out of line when he called parents who are stopping their children playing football, "fools".

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I just don't get how there can be any denial. Research at this point isn't even needed. I mean, just come out and say "Playing football can cause brain injury, CTE, ALS, and traumatic neurological function. Play at your own risk."

Isn't it like posting a sign in the water that says "Danger: Sharks in water. Swim at your own risk."

Why keep denying it? It just serves no purpose other than to make you look deceitful.

I suspect like everything in life, it's legal. If they admit it they will open the door wide open for more litigation. I expect that is the big fear. And also they surely have an eye on the long term. If parents start to really put a halt on children playing, that's a serious issue.
 
This subject deserves it's own thread, moving posts......


It looks like congress may be getting involved.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/wa3Ei3RE1l">https://t.co/wa3Ei3RE1l</a></p>— daniel kaplan (@dkaplanSBJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/dkaplanSBJ/status/713138014826983424">March 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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those must be the only congressmen who have not yet had campaign contributions from the nfl lobbyists...
 
The NY Times responds to the NFL's response:

popcorn

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/s...e-and-the-times-responds.html?ref=oembed&_r=0

Hours after The New York Times published an article on Thursday that examined deep flaws in the N.F.L.’s early concussion research and the league’s ties to the tobacco industry, the league responded with a statement disputing various aspects of the article.

The statement said the article was “contradicted by clear facts” and that The Times “published pages of innuendo and speculation.”

Data obtained by The Times revealed that more than 100 diagnosed concussions were not included in the studies that formed the backbone of the league’s early stance on the issue. The research was held up by the league as evidence that brain injuries did not cause long-term problems for players.

■ The N.F.L. statement said, “The Times claims that the concussion studies funded in part by N.F.L. Charities purposely relied on faulty and incomplete concussion data.” Our article did not claim that.

■ The N.F.L. statement said, “The studies never claimed to be based on every concussion that was reported or that occurred.” The studies and peer-review statements did, in fact, claim that.

■ The N.F.L. statement said, “The story claims that the League relied on legal advice from Lorillard and the Tobacco Institute.” Our article did not claim that.

■ The N.F.L. statement said, “In fact, the league has never participated – either through its counsel of over 50 years, Covington & Burling, or otherwise – in any joint lobbying efforts with the Tobacco Institute.” Our article did not claim that.

■ The N.F.L. statement said, “Moreover, the fact that not all concussions were reported is consistent with the fact that reporting was strongly encouraged by the league but not mandated, as documents provided to The Times showed.” At least one of the papers said it was, in fact, mandated.

■ The N.F.L. statement said, “The Times insinuates that the N.F.L. hired Dorothy Mitchell, an associate at the law firm Covington & Burling, because of her experience in tobacco litigation.” Our article did not say how or why she was hired.
 
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