Origin of Covid — Following the Clues

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My how political winds must have changed — and not the science. Now Fauci says it is in fact possible Covid isn’t natural but a creation of the Wuhan lab. This has been adamantly denied by all the officials for a year.
Democrats said it was racist to merely wonder if this could be true.
Twitter banned people last year for the very suggestion. I guess it all depends on who says it. I thought all along it was the case. Baron's material from earlier was pretty convincing.
 

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I don't think the fact that a lab mistake is suddenly a credible origin for this proves Trump right per se. Because it's not proven, yet. And it might never be, given the dishonesty and evil of the CCP. But there is and always was plenty of evidence that pointed to it.

What this story does highlight is how badly the media and the left stepped on a rake in their efforts to use it a political tool against Trump for even suggesting it was possible, and branding anyone who dared to suggest this was what happened as a conspiracy theorist.
There were literally dozens of Twitter accounts suspended for this, and as usual the R word was applied to anyone suggesting it was the case.
 

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The link I am posting takes you to a very long article. So, I'm only going to post the portion that I find especially upsetting. I find it upsetting because the mere thought that I (as a taxpayer) may have unwillingly and unknowingly contributed to this pandemic via the U.S. partnership with the Wuhan lab sickens me.


Part of the barrier to arriving at definitive answers is that China and its Wuhan lab, which has received funding from the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Anthony Fauci's Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and other U.S. entities, failed to provide the samples, inspections and cooperation needed.
Some critics say it's too late to expect any credible information from China.

As I reported in my investigation last month, genetic analysis conducted by U.S. officials early in the pandemic concluded Covid-19 showed hallmarks of man's manipulation. The report also showed that the U.S. had partnered with Chinese scientists at the Wuhan lab, using taxpayer funds from Fauci's institute and NIH, to conduct controversial Gain of Function research on bat coronavirus. Gain of Function research takes a virus that is currently harmless to people and manipulates it genetically to make it infectious in people for the purpose of developing a vaccine and other therapies in advance.

According to tax records, Johnson and Johnson, makers of one Covid-19 vaccine, provided significant funding to EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit middleman that-- among other things-- funded and partnered in bat coronavirus research with China and the Wuhan lab (see #5 below). The pharmaceutical company did not respond to requests to explain the purpose of its funding.



 
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A couple of random factoids regarding this...

A) Biden's directive will amount to nothing, by design. He stopped the investigatoin, first of all, for a reason. Second, he didn't direct intelligence to conduct an investigation, he specifically said he directed them to ask Chinese officials about it. That's what the WHO did, and the Chinese told them a bunch of lies, and the WHO ran with those lies because the Chinese have a lot of influence with the WHO. The only American on their investigative team was the head of Eco-Health! LOL One of the primary criminals was investigating himself on behalf of the WHO and the United States. Surely, must have just been a coincidence.

B) The virus is not genetically manipulated in any way. This is what they will tell the public, and it will be true. The virus was actually created by cultivating it with human cells over several years, so it is naturally bred rather than genetically created.
The way you can tell the difference is by the way the virus interacts with human cells. Viruses are like puzzle pieces, looking for a match in the cells of organisms. So, a virus that, for example, has had generations of breeding in bats, will be perfectly adapted to interact with bat cells, through various mutations. Through one random mutation, it may become able to jump species to, say, humans because it will all of a sudden be compatible with a human cell. BUT..,.that match will be imperfect, but effective. If you ever put together a puzzle, you can often find two pieces that fit together, even though the match isn't precisely perfect, it still fits. In the normal course of events, this is what a new virus will exhibit, an effective but imperfect match to a particular receptor, let's say the ACE-2 receptor. Then it will jump species from the bat to the human.

However...if you suddenly find yourself facing a pandemic, and you examine the virus responsible, and it is perfect match, then you are missing something serious. That tells you that the virus has had time to adapt itself to perfectly mate with the human receptor. That tells you that there is a missing genome, a missing link, a missing predecessor that initiated the species jump. It tells you that there have been multiple generations of mutations while cultivated with human biology. It's not speculation, you know for a fact that there is one or more variations of virus between the one in the bat, and the one you have in your petri dish. It tells you that the genmoe has evolved to adapt to human biology, rather than simply being compatable. It's a fact.

BUT...the genome in front of you will show no signs of "being created in a lab" or "genetic alteration". It will look just like a virus that evolved naturally to infect humans, except that you are seeing it for the first time, and it would have had to be infecting humans for years to get to the current genome.

That's why the Biden team will come back in 90 days and tell you that there is no evidence the virus was created in a lab or that there was a leak.
 

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A couple of random factoids regarding this...

A) Biden's directive will amount to nothing, by design. He stopped the investigatoin, first of all, for a reason. Second, he didn't direct intelligence to conduct an investigation, he specifically said he directed them to ask Chinese officials about it. That's what the WHO did, and the Chinese told them a bunch of lies, and the WHO ran with those lies because the Chinese have a lot of influence with the WHO. The only American on their investigative team was the head of Eco-Health! LOL One of the primary criminals was investigating himself on behalf of the WHO and the United States. Surely, must have just been a coincidence.

B) The virus is not genetically manipulated in any way. This is what they will tell the public, and it will be true. The virus was actually created by cultivating it with human cells over several years, so it is naturally bred rather than genetically created.
The way you can tell the difference is by the way the virus interacts with human cells. Viruses are like puzzle pieces, looking for a match in the cells of organisms. So, a virus that, for example, has had generations of breeding in bats, will be perfectly adapted to interact with bat cells, through various mutations. Through one random mutation, it may become able to jump species to, say, humans because it will all of a sudden be compatible with a human cell. BUT..,.that match will be imperfect, but effective. If you ever put together a puzzle, you can often find two pieces that fit together, even though the match isn't precisely perfect, it still fits. In the normal course of events, this is what a new virus will exhibit, an effective but imperfect match to a particular receptor, let's say the ACE-2 receptor. Then it will jump species from the bat to the human.

However...if you suddenly find yourself facing a pandemic, and you examine the virus responsible, and it is perfect match, then you are missing something serious. That tells you that the virus has had time to adapt itself to perfectly mate with the human receptor. That tells you that there is a missing genome, a missing link, a missing predecessor that initiated the species jump. It tells you that there have been multiple generations of mutations while cultivated with human biology. It's not speculation, you know for a fact that there is one or more variations of virus between the one in the bat, and the one you have in your petri dish. It tells you that the genmoe has evolved to adapt to human biology, rather than simply being compatable. It's a fact.

BUT...the genome in front of you will show no signs of "being created in a lab" or "genetic alteration". It will look just like a virus that evolved naturally to infect humans, except that you are seeing it for the first time, and it would have had to be infecting humans for years to get to the current genome.

That's why the Biden team will come back in 90 days and tell you that there is no evidence the virus was created in a lab or that there was a leak.
Yeah, either way it’ll be covered up. Can’t prove the Orange Man right. On top of that, if they admit it and it leaks to the press, this administration will actually have to come down on China. Can’t have either of those things if you’re Biden. Either way, it’s not like you have to be a genius to put the pieces together. The virus originated in Wuhan. Wuhan, as fate would have it, just so happens to have a lab where they experiment with virology. And, hold on to your ass because you won’t fucking believe this, two of their scientists fell so ill in 2019 that they needed to be admitted to a hospital! Unbelievable coincidence.
 

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Michale Hurd:

Facebook announced Wednesday it will no longer remove claims addressing the possible origins of the coronavirus and whether it is man-made or manufactured.

The policy change came on the same day Joe Biden ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to “redouble their efforts” to investigate the origin of the virus, despite ending a State Department investigation under former President Donald Trump seeking the same goal, as Breitbart News reported.
I find this kind of hilarious. And tragic. THIS is the meaning of state-run media. Facebook, and other tech giants, work for the regime. The regime works for the tech giants, who pay their bills and enhance their power by disseminating only the information (truthful or not) that fosters the interests of the regime.

How is a dictatorship any different?

Even two weeks ago, if you or I would have published any opinions or evidence suggesting that the COVID virus was hatched under suspicious conditions, we'd be blocked and labeled as "dangerous" and "against community standards" -- by Facebook, Twitter or Google.
If you ask me, the ACTUALLY dangerous situation is a context where 95 percent of the news -- not just about politics, but about science or anything -- we're allowed to discuss must first be approved by either the Biden regime or the tech giants who fund it. They're all the same.
For some reason, the Biden regime and the powers-that-be find it politically expedient at the moment to advance what two weeks ago they would have derided as a "conspiracy theory" on its face. Why is that? It doesn't really matter. All that matters is they only care about power -- not justice or truth. The bad guys are in charge.

Millions and millions agree with this, and do not trust our hopelessly biased regime of misinformation, which means only politically pre-approved information. It's exactly the thing companies like Facebook claim to fight, and it's precisely the thing they perpetuate. It's not a sustainable situation. The anger, disgust and tensions will only grow.

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Michale Hurd:

Facebook announced Wednesday it will no longer remove claims addressing the possible origins of the coronavirus and whether it is man-made or manufactured.

The policy change came on the same day Joe Biden ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to “redouble their efforts” to investigate the origin of the virus, despite ending a State Department investigation under former President Donald Trump seeking the same goal, as Breitbart News reported.
I find this kind of hilarious. And tragic. THIS is the meaning of state-run media. Facebook, and other tech giants, work for the regime. The regime works for the tech giants, who pay their bills and enhance their power by disseminating only the information (truthful or not) that fosters the interests of the regime.

How is a dictatorship any different?

Even two weeks ago, if you or I would have published any opinions or evidence suggesting that the COVID virus was hatched under suspicious conditions, we'd be blocked and labeled as "dangerous" and "against community standards" -- by Facebook, Twitter or Google.
If you ask me, the ACTUALLY dangerous situation is a context where 95 percent of the news -- not just about politics, but about science or anything -- we're allowed to discuss must first be approved by either the Biden regime or the tech giants who fund it. They're all the same.
For some reason, the Biden regime and the powers-that-be find it politically expedient at the moment to advance what two weeks ago they would have derided as a "conspiracy theory" on its face. Why is that? It doesn't really matter. All that matters is they only care about power -- not justice or truth. The bad guys are in charge.

Millions and millions agree with this, and do not trust our hopelessly biased regime of misinformation, which means only politically pre-approved information. It's exactly the thing companies like Facebook claim to fight, and it's precisely the thing they perpetuate. It's not a sustainable situation. The anger, disgust and tensions will only grow.

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It won't, but this type of censorship should scare the crap out of everybody.
 
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Michale Hurd:

Facebook announced Wednesday it will no longer remove claims addressing the possible origins of the coronavirus and whether it is man-made or manufactured.

The policy change came on the same day Joe Biden ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to “redouble their efforts” to investigate the origin of the virus, despite ending a State Department investigation under former President Donald Trump seeking the same goal, as Breitbart News reported.
I find this kind of hilarious. And tragic. THIS is the meaning of state-run media. Facebook, and other tech giants, work for the regime. The regime works for the tech giants, who pay their bills and enhance their power by disseminating only the information (truthful or not) that fosters the interests of the regime.

How is a dictatorship any different?

Even two weeks ago, if you or I would have published any opinions or evidence suggesting that the COVID virus was hatched under suspicious conditions, we'd be blocked and labeled as "dangerous" and "against community standards" -- by Facebook, Twitter or Google.
If you ask me, the ACTUALLY dangerous situation is a context where 95 percent of the news -- not just about politics, but about science or anything -- we're allowed to discuss must first be approved by either the Biden regime or the tech giants who fund it. They're all the same.
For some reason, the Biden regime and the powers-that-be find it politically expedient at the moment to advance what two weeks ago they would have derided as a "conspiracy theory" on its face. Why is that? It doesn't really matter. All that matters is they only care about power -- not justice or truth. The bad guys are in charge.

Millions and millions agree with this, and do not trust our hopelessly biased regime of misinformation, which means only politically pre-approved information. It's exactly the thing companies like Facebook claim to fight, and it's precisely the thing they perpetuate. It's not a sustainable situation. The anger, disgust and tensions will only grow.

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All of the leftist MSM outlets are furiously editing their stories about the leak over the last year even as we speak. They are not issuing retractions, or apologies...they are rewriting the stories they wrote months ago, or a year ago.


“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”​

 

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Wuhan Lab Researcher’s Wife Died Of COVID-Like Illness In December 2019, Former Lead US Investigator Says​

The wife of a Wuhan lab researcher working on coronaviruses died of what appeared to be COVID-19 in December 2019, the leader of a State Department investigation under the Trump administration told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

It would have been an early clue that the virus could be transmitted among humans, yet Chinese authorities said that the virus was not transmissible for at least a month after they knew it was, allowing it to spread, according to David Asher, who led an investigation on COVID-19’s origins and served in the State Department under Democrat and Republican presidents.



 
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1. Illnesses inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV):


  • The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses. This raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli’s public claim that there was “zero infection” among the WIV’s staff and students of SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses.
  • Accidental infections in labs have caused several previous virus outbreaks in China and elsewhere, including a 2004 SARS outbreak in Beijing that infected nine people, killing one.
  • The CCP has prevented independent journalists, investigators, and global health authorities from interviewing researchers at the WIV, including those who were ill in the fall of 2019. Any credible inquiry into the origin of the virus must include interviews with these researchers and a full accounting of their previously unreported illness.

2. Research at the WIV:


  • Starting in at least 2016 – and with no indication of a stop prior to the COVID-19 outbreak – WIV researchers conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar). The WIV became a focal point for international coronavirus research after the 2003 SARS outbreak and has since studied animals including mice, bats, and pangolins.
  • The WIV has a published record of conducting “gain-of-function” research to engineer chimeric viruses. But the WIV has not been transparent or consistent about its record of studying viruses most similar to the COVID-19 virus, including “RaTG13,” which it sampled from a cave in Yunnan Province in 2013 after several miners died of SARS-like illness.
  • WHO investigators must have access to the records of the WIV’s work on bat and other coronaviruses before the COVID-19 outbreak. As part of a thorough inquiry, they must have a full accounting of why the WIV altered and then removed online records of its work with RaTG13 and other viruses.

3. Secret military activity at the WIV:


  • Secrecy and non-disclosure are standard practice for Beijing. For many years the United States has publicly raised concerns about China’s past biological weapons work, which Beijing has neither documented nor demonstrably eliminated, despite its clear obligations under the Biological Weapons Convention.
  • Despite the WIV presenting itself as a civilian institution, the United States has determined that the WIV has collaborated on publications and secret projects with China’s military. The WIV has engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military since at least 2017.
  • The United States and other donors who funded or collaborated on civilian research at the WIV have a right and obligation to determine whether any of our research funding was diverted to secret Chinese military projects at the WIV.

The above are only what the government has admitted to.

However, this alone debunks most leftist analysis of the question.
 
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I have some trepidation here, because there are things I want to say that I cannot. I have alluded to "a friend" on this board before, a couple of times. Within the last week, I spent some time with my friend. Due to the nature of his employment, I sometimes ask him things, and he sometimes answers...sort of a personal "Q". Sometimes he tells me things, sometimes he doesn't. Well....we got to talking about Fauci and Wuhan. I will give some insight into what I was told. I will basically just drop a few leads so that if anyone is interested, they can do their own investigating.

Wuhan Institute of Virology ---> Chinese Academy of Sciences ----> Bill Gates -----> The Good Club -----> Event 201, NY

I'll see you in the rabbit hole.
 
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Also, speaking of which, congratulations to Eric Lander for landing his new job as Science Advisor to Biden. All that time at Zorro Ranch with the Clintons and Bill Gates paid off.
 

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