OT: What Conspiracy Theories Do You Believe In?

Which Conspiracy Theories Do You Believe?

  • Someone other than LH Oswald killed JFK.

    Votes: 9 21.4%
  • Space aliens were involved in an incident at Roswell, NM.

    Votes: 3 7.1%
  • FDR knew the Pearl Harbor attack was coming from code intercepts, but didn't tell base commanders to

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Some of the Apollo moon landings were faked.

    Votes: 4 9.5%
  • Martin Luther King was killed as part of a conspiracy, possibly involving J. Edgar Hoover.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The Bush administration knowingly misrepresented intelligence to sell the Iraq war.

    Votes: 16 38.1%
  • thomas144 is an all knowing deity with mysterious supernatural powers.

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Total voters
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Mods - Can you DELETE this (it won't let me). I'm trying to post a poll where people can place multiple votes.

Thanks.
 

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In before the lockdown.


I dont believe in conspiracies, and im doubtful of the existance of theories.
 

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I think there's truth to all of them, conspiracy-wise, except for the moon landings.

#1: I think LHO did shoot JFK, but he may have had assistance (i.e. more than one gunman, and/or help from a government... possibly foreign, possibly our own).

#2: Aliens for sure at Roswell... hell, the Army even said so the first day, until they realized how stupid they were to tell people, and then the next day it was, "Oh, uh, no, we meant a weather balloon". :jerkit:

#3: I wouldn't doubt if FDR and the brass knew about the attack. However, I think it's entirely possible that they underestimated how bad it would be. I'm sure their intent was not to decimate the Pacific fleet and kill thousands of enlisted men; they probably thought it would be a few bombs, maybe some damage.

#5: Definitely a conspiracy.

#6: Do we even need to discuss this one? Sheesh.
 

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The JFK thing, I don't know. I've read so damn much about that, watched so many documentaries and news shows; everytime you think there's solid evidence proving a conspiracy, you see a special that has solid evidence that there was none and Oswald did it alone. I gave up trying to figure that one out years ago.

What amazes me is how few people talk about the Robert Kennedy assassination. There is no doubt that Sirhan Sirhan did NOT kill RFK. Sirhan may or may not have shot at RFK, but the autopsy showed the bullet that killed RFK was fired into the back of his head from an inch and a half away. Sirhan was always in FRONT of Kennedy and never got closer than 3-4 inches from him. Thus, Sirhan could not possibly have fired the fatal shot.

There is speculation that a private security guard standing behind RFK went for his gun and accidentally fired said shot. He has denied it vehemently but the gun vanished so we probably will never know.

Not to mention other evidence that vanished. Ceiling tiles and door frames showing bullet holes that allegedly could prove there were several more shots than Sirhan's gun could have fired were destroyed by the LAPD. A photographer took a ton of pictures of the shooting; the LAPD confiscated his film, then gave back only the film of before and after the shooting. Years later he sued to get the rest but - guess what? - the LAPD couldn't find them.

There are a number of wild theories about the RFK assassination just as there are for JFK. The one most often mentioned is that Sirhan was a "Manchurian candidate" who was programmed to kill RFK when he was shown polka dots. A number of people in the Ambassador that night claim that a young woman wearing a polka dot dress ran out yelling, "We did it! We killed Kennedy!"

Who knows...

As for the rest:

Yes, I believe there were aliens at Roswell.

FDR? Like JD said, wouldn't surprise me in the least, though I sure hope he didn't realize how bad it was going to be. But from what I've studied about it, he was walking a tightrope. He knew sooner or later the U.S. would have to enter the war, but if he said so in public his political career was over.

And Iraq... duh.
 
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Actually, I was curious to see the poll #'s of how many people believed in what. Can the Mods just repost this as a poll where you can click multiple choices?
 
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TrueBeliever on 05-08-2007 at 10:55 PM said:
The JFK thing, I don't know. I've read so damn much about that, watched so many documentaries and news shows; everytime you think there's solid evidence proving a conspiracy, you see a special that has solid evidence that there was none and Oswald did it alone. I gave up trying to figure that one out years ago.

What amazes me is how few people talk about the Robert Kennedy assassination. There is no doubt that Sirhan Sirhan did NOT kill RFK. Sirhan may or may not have shot at RFK, but the autopsy showed the bullet that killed RFK was fired into the back of his head from an inch and a half away. Sirhan was always in FRONT of Kennedy and never got closer than 3-4 inches from him. Thus, Sirhan could not possibly have fired the fatal shot.

There is speculation that a private security guard standing behind RFK went for his gun and accidentally fired said shot. He has denied it vehemently but the gun vanished so we probably will never know.

Not to mention other evidence that vanished. Ceiling tiles and door frames showing bullet holes that allegedly could prove there were several more shots than Sirhan's gun could have fired were destroyed by the LAPD. A photographer took a ton of pictures of the shooting; the LAPD confiscated his film, then gave back only the film of before and after the shooting. Years later he sued to get the rest but - guess what? - the LAPD couldn't find them.

There are a number of wild theories about the RFK assassination just as there are for JFK. The one most often mentioned is that Sirhan was a "Manchurian candidate" who was programmed to kill RFK when he was shown polka dots. A number of people in the Ambassador that night claim that a young woman wearing a polka dot dress ran out yelling, "We did it! We killed Kennedy!"

Who knows...

As for the rest:

Yes, I believe there were aliens at Roswell.



And Iraq... duh.


I've read about RFK because there's a lot of things that don't add up with JFK and if that was a conspiracy, the same people who wanted to kill JFK would want Bobby even more.

I think people talk about RFK so little because Sirhan Sirhan definitely was there firing a gun and the idea of him being a brainwashed Manchurian candidate guy, there as a decoy, seems so far fetched.

I agree that the LAPD removing a bunch of ceiling panels and door jams that allegedly held more bullets than Sirhan could have fired and then all that evidence disappearing is suspicious. Police incompetence is easy for people to believe, though. The part about RFK being killed by a point blank shot to the back of the head when none of the witnesses put Sirhan there is definitely suspicious.

I think the difference between more people buying into a JFK conspiracy than an RFK one is that the explanation of how Oswald could have done it (magic bullet theory and the Zapruder film not seeming to match where Oswald supposedly was) seems improbable, whereas in the case of RFK, the explanation of how it could be a conspiracy (Sirhan Sirhan being in the room firing as a patsy) seems improbable.
 

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how could u leave the only true 1 out.
that the government rigged the NFL to make the Pats win, and the conspiarcy against the Rams
 

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Oswald did it and acted alone. Imagine if he were caught and the Russians were implicated? World War Three anyone? The Russians backed down during the missile crisis, I dont think they would be willing to risk World War by killing a President.

Anyone who thinks that we are the only intelligent life in the universe isnt very intelligent themselves. I do think that the government was trying to keep secrets from the Russians more than from US citizens. I think Roswell is all about weapons development.

FDR didnt have a clue we would be attacked by the Japanese, at least not that early in the War.

We landed on the moon, found rocks and decided landing there after the initial lunar missions would only find more rocks.

MLK was killed by a racist zealot. Just like the attempt on the Pope. One CRAZY MAN acting alone can make many think conspiracy.

Since the intelligence came from many sources, including the British, its hard to cry conspiracy.

Thomas gets WAY too much ink.
 

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Is the Bush one even a conspiracy? I think its pretty obvious at this point. One you left out was regarding 9/11. Did Flight 93 crash in Pennsylvania on its own or did the Air Force shoot it down?
 

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Mark_Henderson on 05-09-2007 at 02:21 AM said:
Actually, I was curious to see the poll #'s of how many people believed in what. Can the Mods just repost this as a poll where you can click multiple choices?


Sorry Mark, but we don't have the ability to convert a single selection poll into a multi selection poll. Feel free to create a new poll and thread. Afterwards, if you'd like, we can lock this one and direct people towards the new one.
 

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The Oliver Stones of PP could just decide which theory is the most plausible.
 

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The moon one would be cool if it were true. The Soviets cost the US billions of dollars chasing them in the missile race by parading phony weapons through Moscow during their parades. It would be awesome if we did something similar with the moon landings, but I doubt it happened.

I don't think FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor. Pre-war thought had the Japanese attacking the Dutch East Indies and avoiding American territories because, it was assumed, the Japanese knew the political climate in the US would not allow the US to engage in war with Japan unless the US was attacked. At most, an attack on the Philippines was more of a concern. The plan was to counter that attack if it came with the fleet at Pearl, which was only recently based at Pearl to act as a deterrent. (Some conspiracy theorists do feel though feel that FDR moved the fleet to Pearl to provoke the Japanese)

The Japanese, probably fearing the American presence in the Philippines astraddle their supply lines to the south after taking the Dutch East Indies (oil) , decided to eliminate the US Pacific Fleet as they had done to the Russian Asiatic fleet at Port Arthur to start their war with Russian.

Pearl Harbor was a disaster of poor planning and preparedness, poor forward thought and poor intelligence consolidation, evaluation and dissemination. The intell gathering was there and told the story well in advance of the attack but remained too fragmentary to be of any real use. Those who saw it coming were ignored.

FDR was a one time Sec. of the Navy and had a love affair w/the Navy his entire life. If he knew the Japanese were going to attack, I think he would have got warnings out in time for the fleet to defend itself while still being drawn into WWII if that was his goal. Some theorists feel that he did do this to some extent because there were no aircraft carriers in port at the time of the attack, signaling that FDR protected the fleet’s most important assets while sacrificing the obsolete battleships. This theory is great but mistimed. Pearl Harbor signaled the end of the battleship. American Navy doctrine up until that time favored the battleship as the supreme weapon in war over the airplane. Pearl changed all that.
 

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Did the government conspire with Playtex to have women wear bra's in the 80's, when bra less was the fashion in the 70's?

Remember the "sag commission" by DHS?
 

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MEPATNUT on 05-09-2007 at 08:31 AM said:
Did the government conspire with Playtex to have women wear bra's in the 80's, when bra less was the fashion in the 70's?

Remember the "sag commission" by DHS?
MY GOD MAN, I NEVER KNEW THIS :confused: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

when I think back to all these missing years of potential headlights viewing I could just spit :***:
 

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Egads. Not that I don't mind the occasional perky nip showing through a thin t-shirt in the summer, but, really... if bras weren't invented then every woman would look like those old National Geographic pictures of tribal women from around the world with dugs down to their ankles. eeek

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the biggest conspiracy: the plot to remove Ashleigh VanGerven from the Patriots cheerleading squad in an attempt to ruin RG's life...
 

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The one that cracks me up the most is the pictuures from the "moon".. so many flaws that show that they are obviously fakes:

Multiple light sources when there should be only one, wind blowing the flag, the viewfinder markings disappearing behind objects in the pictures.. the list goes on and on, yet people still accept the moon pictures as real.
 

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JFK - I've never seen compelling evidence - a lot of "smoke" but no "fire"

Roswell - NO

Pearl Harbor - NO, because the motive (to get the US into the war) was unneccasary, we were going in anyway

Moon - NO

MLK - Cospiracy absolutley, Hoover involvement is pure speculation

Iraq - as stated yes

Thomas144 - no question
 

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JFK.....more likely a conspiracy than Oswald, I think.

My #1 conspiracy.....TWA flight 800...the fuel explosiion that blew the nose off of the plane and left the rest intact to plummet to the earth.....
This is impossible...fuel is kept in the fuselage and wings of jetliners...it is virtually impossible to have the nose of the plane blown off and leave the wings intact on one of these planes if it is a fuel explosion.....The Clintons covered it up to prevent panic and a crash in the airline industry. I don't know if it was a bomb, rocket, or whatever, but it WAS NOT a fuel explosion, just not possible.

My #2 conspiracy...flight United 93....I SPECIFICALLY remember a report that the plane was being escorted by two F-18's. There was no further mention of it. I have seen the specials with the voice recordings....the pilot ALWAYS identifies the flight when communicating....on the specials the recordings are real to a certain point, and then you can hear the difference....they no longer identify themselves.
Also, when is the last time you saw a jumbo jet wreck that didn't leave wreckage all over the place? There was nearly NONE at the crash site. That plane was SHOT DOWN! There is no doubt in my mind, and I do not object to it either.
I'm not saying the passengers didn't stage a revolt, I believe they did, but I think the plane was shot down nonetheless, since the authorities were unaware of what was going on inside. Remember, there were already 3 that struck major buildings....I would EXPECT this plane to be shot down in an area that was rural with minimal damage, exactly like it was.

So, that's my conspiracy rant. :)
 

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Brownfan80 on 05-09-2007 at 08:48 AM said:
The one that cracks me up the most is the pictuures from the "moon".. so many flaws that show that they are obviously fakes:

Multiple light sources when there should be only one, wind blowing the flag, the viewfinder markings disappearing behind objects in the pictures.. the list goes on and on, yet people still accept the moon pictures as real.

And there are sound scientific theories to explain every one of those.

I suppose people think they weren't real rocket launches either...

:shake:
 

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RoadGrader on 05-09-2007 at 08:38 AM said:
MY GOD MAN, I NEVER KNEW THIS :confused: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

when I think back to all these missing years of potential headlights viewing I could just spit :***:

I helped the feminist movement. When they had rallies and were going to burn their bra's, I was there with matches.
 
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