Patriots get Devante Parker (Merged)

[spacecrime]

Oh, you're going in the wayback machine! I was doing a bluesy 80s derivation.

Heh heh. Actually more like 50's for a b/w commercial

Edit: just saw your link. Your 80's commercial is more sophisticated than my 50's one

 

[spacecrime]

Just realized we get Parker and a fifth round pick this year, and give the 3rd round pick in 2023. What were the Dolphins thinking agreeing to that? Are we going to find out he's being sure by 22 masseuses?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Just looking at straight facts. In 2021 Parker had a poor 55% catch rate. In 2020 he had a mediocre 60% catch rate. This is not good compared to good NFL receivers, see data below. Now whether it's a hands issue or route running issue or both, bottom line is he drops a lot of his targets which is going to be infuriating for a Pats fanbase used to seeing smurf slot WRs with very reliable hands. For comparison Bourne caught a remarkable 78% of targets last year. Controversial point that I'm sticking with: Bourne is a better WR than Parker is. Parker isn't a speed burner but he's also not a possession receiver as a 55% catch rate is bad. He's basically an upgrade over NKeal Harry, that's it.

2021 NFL Receiving | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2021 NFL Receiving

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[DarnSyd]

Just realized we get Parker and a fifth round pick this year, and give the 3rd round pick in 2023. What were the Dolphins thinking agreeing to that? Are we going to find out he's being sure by 22 masseuses?

My guess is that his hamstrings have been rendered to be as useless as male niples.

 

[Flagg the Wanderer]

Just looking at straight facts. In 2021 Parker had a poor 55% catch rate. In 2020 he had a mediocre 60% catch rate. This is not good compared to good NFL receivers, see data below. Now whether it's a hands issue or route running issue or both, bottom line is he drops a lot of his targets which is going to be infuriating for a Pats fanbase used to seeing smurf slot WRs with very reliable hands. For comparison Bourne caught a remarkable 78% of targets last year. Controversial point that I'm sticking with: Bourne is a better WR than Parker is.

2021 NFL Receiving | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2021 NFL Receiving

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I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that his height and wingspan complicate that statistic. He doesn't have hands of golden stickum, but he's not a "dropsies" guy, either. It's just that he can reach passes that guys without his size could not, which would be considered inaccurate passes for the purposes of the calculation.

Say a QB throws a 100 passes each to Parker and a smaller receiver. 20 of them are off target, outside the smaller WRs catch radius. Same 20 passes, 10 of them are inside Parkers. Say Parker can't pull in any of those 20. Both Parker and the smaller WR catch 60 of the 80 "good" balls. The smaller WR would have a catch % of 60/80 (75%) while Parker would have 60/90 (66%). But are you actually worse off with Parker? No, you've lost nothing.

He's far from perfect, but is he a significant upgrade in our top 3 WRs? Very likely.

I love Bourne, so cheers on that.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that his height and wingspan complicate that statistic. He doesn't have hands of golden stickum, but he's not a "dropsies" guy, either. It's just that he can reach passes that guys without his size could not, which would be considered inaccurate passes for the purposes of the calculation.

Say a QB throws a 100 passes each to Parker and a smaller receiver. 20 of them are off target, outside the smaller WRs catch radius. Same 20 passes, 10 of them are inside Parkers. Say Parker can't pull in any of those 20. Both Parker and the smaller WR catch 60 of the 80 "good" balls. The smaller WR would have a catch % of 60/80 (75%) while Parker would have 60/90 (66%). But are you actually worse off with Parker? No, you've lost nothing.

He's far from perfect, but is he a significant upgrade in our top 3 WRs? Very likely.

I love Bourne, so cheers on that.

Yeah I'm with you. It's possible because he's a big guy with long arms there's a lot of throws counted near him. But I'm predicting Pats fans getting frustrated at how many times the guy doesn't catch the ball when it's thrown his way. A guy who only catches between 55-60% of his targets is not a good receiver. It's like a QB with a low completion percentage. Really hard to fix this. The better WRs in the league are all over 70% catch rate. Meyers is limited physically but the guy flat out produces and comes down with the ball at a high rate. And out of anyone on the roster Bourne might have the best chance to be a 1000-yard guy this year. Parker is just a slightly better NKeal Harry. Sorry to be a downer, just trying to manage expectations that Parker is not a pro bowler.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that his height and wingspan complicate that statistic. He doesn't have hands of golden stickum, but he's not a "dropsies" guy, either. It's just that he can reach passes that guys without his size could not, which would be considered inaccurate passes for the purposes of the calculation.

Say a QB throws a 100 passes each to Parker and a smaller receiver. 20 of them are off target, outside the smaller WRs catch radius. Same 20 passes, 10 of them are inside Parkers. Say Parker can't pull in any of those 20. Both Parker and the smaller WR catch 60 of the 80 "good" balls. The smaller WR would have a catch % of 60/80 (75%) while Parker would have 60/90 (66%). But are you actually worse off with Parker? No, you've lost nothing.

He's far from perfect, but is he a significant upgrade in our top 3 WRs? Very likely.

I love Bourne, so cheers on that.

See video clip below, every snap of Parker's. Sometimes highlight videos are really misleading because anyone can look good when you only show catches (see: NKeal Harry draft videos). This video below shows how many times Parker keeps dropping the ball or losing on outside routes.

View: https://youtu.be/HPB3wG3jMFU

 

[rivshark86]

I’m not gonna say Parker is a Hall of Famer, or even a pro bowler.
He is however a WR who needs to be taken seriously by opposing defenses, and it’s been a long time since one’s been on the roster. Even if it’s a rental, it’s worth it if he only takes heat off the other options. Hopefully he can stay healthy.
It’s worth the risk.

 

[chevss454]

I agree with Evan here.

DP is a solid receiver over the middle of the field on slants, crossers and digs 10-20 yds from the LOS. I read here that he drops a lot of balls but what I noticed is a lot overthrown and under thrown balls that were non-catchable and some were thrown too late allowing the defender to catch up to him. His hands are good enough.
Mac Jones is more accurate than Brissett and Tua. Although Miami drafted Parker #13 overall in 2015, DP is not an ideal X WR1 but he is a great complement to an X WR1. He's the biggest WR we've had in a long time (Harry doesn't count). His catch radius approaches that of Moss. His missed games have been mostly bc of hamstrings and Patriots' trainers are specialists at preventing and treating hamstring tears.

I'll take him gladly...even if it means BB doesn't draft a WR and leans heavily on replenishing our defensive needs in the draft.

For 2 years he's cheap (<$6M/year), cost essentially nothing in trade capital and is what N'Keal was supposed to be, a possession receiver to get 1st downs. I don't know how anyone
could criticize this trade. BB fleeced the Dolphins in this one.

Parker should satisfy those who wanted BB to draft Trey Burks. They have the same skill sets but Parker has already proved he can do it in the pro game.

With Fitzpatrick as his QB, Parker absolutely owned Gilmore (DPoY) in this 2019 week 17 game to defeat the Pats with TB12 at QB.

 

[chevss454]

Just looking at straight facts. In 2021 Parker had a poor 55% catch rate. In 2020 he had a mediocre 60% catch rate. This is not good compared to good NFL receivers, see data below. Now whether it's a hands issue or route running issue or both, bottom line is he drops a lot of his targets which is going to be infuriating for a Pats fanbase used to seeing smurf slot WRs with very reliable hands. For comparison Bourne caught a remarkable 78% of targets last year. Controversial point that I'm sticking with: Bourne is a better WR than Parker is. Parker isn't a speed burner but he's also not a possession receiver as a 55% catch rate is bad. He's basically an upgrade over NKeal Harry, that's it.

2021 NFL Receiving | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2021 NFL Receiving

www.pro-football-reference.com

Those aren't "drops". Catch rate is % of all targets caught which doesn't factor in balls that are off target. Many of his targets were overthrown, under thrown or thrown too late. Those are on the QB.

 

[ParanoidPatriot]

So Parker is better used as a Y or flanker, and not an X receiver?

 

[chevss454]

So Parker is better used as a Y or flanker, and not an X receiver?

He can line up at both spots and be effective for what the Pats want him to do over the middle. Meyers and Bourne are more likely the flankers though.

Contested Catch Specialist​

DeVante Parker has the most catches on tight-window throws in the NFL over the past five seasons. Those throws are defined as less than 1 yard of separation as the pass arrives.

Player	Tight-Window Rec.*
DeVante Parker	69
Julio Jones	63
Mike Williams	62
Note: * 2017-21; Source: NFL Next Gen Stats

 

[chevss454]

View: https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/1510337026637406213

 

[Roberto71]

Good info on Parker, guys. I like the look of him on those slats and crosses closer to the LOS. He should be a real handful for defenders on those routes getting good YAC. It’s a good looking pick-up this, add to Bourne, Meyers we have a food trio and we have to hope Agholor improves or we get rid of him….He may get TC to prove himself one final time. Harry looks like he’ll be gone.

 

[Mazz22]

I'll take him gladly...even if it means BB doesn't draft a WR and leans heavily on replenishing our defensive needs in the draft.

Gosh. I hope not.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Those aren't "drops". Catch rate is % of all targets caught which doesn't factor in balls that are off target. Many of his targets were overthrown, under thrown or thrown too late. Those are on the QB.

I hear you. That would be the hope, to assume/dump it on bad QBs, because a 7 year NFL history of only catching 55-60% of targets, is not good. It's so low that I wouldn't even consider him a top2 WR on the Patriots. The entire offense for 20 years is based on getting a ton of first downs and ball control, not banking on huge plays. Mac will be close to a 70% passer so a WR who routinely doesn't catch the ball won't be many getting looks from MJ10. Even in Parker's best season the catch rate was not good. I think he's going to be Josh Gordon in this offense. An OK add, but not a major uplift (but Gordon still had a way better catch rate in his best Pats season at 72%)

 

[aloyouis]

I hear you. That would be the hope, to assume/dump it on bad QBs, because a 7 year NFL history of only catching 55-60% of targets, is not good. It's so low that I wouldn't even consider him a top2 WR on the Patriots. The entire offense for 20 years is based on getting a ton of first downs and ball control, not banking on huge plays. Mac will be close to a 70% passer so a WR who routinely doesn't catch the ball won't be many getting looks from MJ10. Even in Parker's best season the catch rate was not good. I think he's going to be Josh Gordon in this offense. An OK add, but not a major uplift (but Gordon still had a way better catch rate in his best Pats season at 72%)

You agreed with him and then completely dismissed his valid point regarding catch rate and essentially repeated yourself.

7 years of poor to average QB play in Miami.

 

[Phil Elliott]

You agreed with him and then completely dismissed his valid point regarding catch rate and essentially repeated yourself.

7 years of poor to average QB play in Miami.

Honestly, trying to get any type of honest, rational assessment about ANYTHING to do with this team these days from the whiners is like f###### missionary work. They're so programmed to think that every development with this team sucks that it's just a constant negative response. They really don't want things to go well. It f#### up their narrative.

 

[Hawg73]

I still think the Pats will draft a WR, but with numbers on the current roster I think it'll increase the likelihood that they would take a prospect whose stock was dinged by injury, because they can afford to IR him, let him get healthy and "add value" in that way. I'm not thinking Jameson Williams any longer, but the odds on possibly taking John Metchie just improved. And Metchie is a pretty good slot prospect.

FWIW, I read a report that compared Georgia WR George Pickens to our new guy and stated "Parker was faster but equally reliant on finesse and length and started his NFL career slowly because of the adjustment (to NFL physicality)". Parker is 29, which means he should be close to his physical prime and has 7 years of experience. I've always thought he was pretty good on 3rd down and it turns out that he's made 235 1st downs among his 338 catches (70 %) to go with 24 TDs. Nothing dazzling, but he's tall and fast and has proven he's a competent NFL player, at least, and could click pretty well with Mac.

He's not an exciting add, but his addition tells me that we plan to move Agholor. If so, then that's a gain.

 

[Big/Sky/Fly]

Parker is better than Harry, but, he's lumped in with the others. #2's, #3's, and, #4's.