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Actually, some of us are just pro-property rights.

All human rights derive from property rights...and the erosion of property rights inevitably erodes human rights over time.

Unlike most leftists, I actually believe that people have a fundamental right to be asses, racists, bigots, and a-holes without it being against the law.....but especially on their own property.


I guess the humor thread is dead, but how do transgenders in bathrooms relate to property rights? Because their groin is their private property? If you're saying that the owners of the public restrooms have the right to set the rules, the SCOTUS has already ruled that their property rights don't entitle them to ban based on race.

Your personal rights in a bathroom in your home and one in a property that you have opened to the general public for commerce differ. You may disagree, but that's the law of the USA.
 

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I think the fundamentalists haven't gotten over losing the gay marriage issue and then being told that they need to accept transgenderism is just too much for them to process. It's all America's morality going to Satan for them.

The transgender people using public bathrooms are mostly dickless men changed over to women and they just want to quietly fit in. They last thing they want to do is have an incident and I doubt there's been a single case of them hassling anyone.

And, unless North Carolina sets up some kind of bathroom patrol division of the state troopers with mug shot comparisons of real and surgically reconstructed pussy s, and then do surprise bathroom inspections with gynecologists's chairs, how are they possibly going to enforce this?

This is a case of fundamentalist hysteria run amok, though Pat Robertson types will probably be talking about this one for decades.

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When I was at Charlotte airport. I accidentally walked into the women bathroom. Did my business. When I realized what I did I apologized saying it was a accident. I thought this was the men's room.
 

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I guess the humor thread is dead, but how do transgenders in bathrooms relate to property rights? Because their groin is their private property? If you're saying that the owners of the public restrooms have the right to set the rules, the SCOTUS has already ruled that their property rights don't entitle them to ban based on race.

Your personal rights in a bathroom in your home and one in a property that you have opened to the general public for commerce differ. You may disagree, but that's the law of the USA.

If I am a man, then do I have a right to enter a women's bathroom in a private business?

Sure I do.

Does the owner then have the right to throw my ass out?

Sure he does.

Have my rights been violated when he throws me out?

No.

Simple as that.

SCOTUS also ruled that blacks have no standing in court if they are slaves, because they are property, and not persons in Dred Scott.

The SCOTUS is not an institution of justice, it is an institution of opinion made law. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't.....sometimes they contradict themselves in subsequent rulings, because their opinions changed. They call it an "opinion" of the court because that is exactly what it is.

I believe a black business owner should have their right not to serve the KKK or let them use the bathroom, I believe a women's gym should be able to bar men from entering or becoming members.

I do NOT believe that we should make law grounded primarily in race or gender bias, and I do not believe some races or genders should get preferential treatment under the law.

That, of course, puts me in a small minority in this country, but, as Marcus Aurelius said... The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.
 
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When I was at Charlotte airport. I accidentally walked into the women bathroom. Did my business. When I realized what I did I apologized saying it was a accident. I thought this was the men's room.

I've done that a few times, but the lack of urinals always tipped me off.
 

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I've done that a few times, but the lack of urinals always tipped me off.

I was tired it was a early flight.i went to the first open stall I found . I didn't notice until I saw ladies there .I never fully awake until I have my first cup of coffee .
 

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Thing is, I'm not worried about the "transgender" people in the restroom - it's the pedos, stalkers, creepers, and voyuers that this opens the door to.

Some creepy guy that gets off on watching little girls shower, hanging out in the women's locker room at the health club, watching - and potentially photographing or secretly filming...

No, it's not the "transgendered" people that are the danger, but because of their precious feelings, we've opened the door to some potentially scary shit. THAT is the problem.
 
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Thing is, I'm not worried about the "transgender" people in the restroom - it's the pedos, stalkers, creepers, and voyuers that this opens the door to.

Some creepy guy that gets off on watching little girls shower, hanging out in the women's locker room at the health club, watching - and potentially photographing or secretly filming...

No, it's not the "transgendered" people that are the danger, but because of their precious feelings, we've opened the door to some potentially scary shit. THAT is the problem.

Most public bathrooms don't have showers and there aren't urinals in women's bathrooms, they only pull their pants down behind closed stall doors. Health clubs can have shower curtains if the members wish (and members are usually adults). This whole thing is a lot of hand wringing over nothing.
 

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I know, I know. Disagreement with any "progressive" feel-good thing is always "hand-wringing over nothing", or "bigotry" or "racism" or "ignorance" or "intolerance" or... and yet, pretty much every single feel-good thing ****s everything up and always has unintended consequences that "progressives" will just ignore. Feelings trump reality.

Maybe "progressives" should try living in reality more often. ROFL
 
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I know, I know. Disagreement with any "progressive" feel-good thing is always "hand-wringing over nothing", or "bigotry" or "racism" or "ignorance" or "intolerance" or... and yet, pretty much every single feel-good thing ****s everything up and always has unintended consequences that "progressives" will just ignore. Feelings trump reality.

Maybe "progressives" should try living in reality more often. ROFL

Of course, I didn't use the terms bigotry, racism, ignorance or intolerance, yet you still managed not to answer anything I said and still throw down an emoticon.

What are pervy men going to see of women behind stalls in a female bathroom? Who is going to monitor bathroom doors and make sure the people going in have original gansta' vaginas?

Aren't there countless places that pervs can corner women other than bathrooms? I mean, they have to face the risk of another person popping through the door of a public bathroom at any second.
 

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The bathroom that you go into should match your dna...

When you go into a bathroom . Do you stare at everyone. To make sure they belong there. Just do what a lot of people do. Go in do your business & wash hands leave .
 

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Of course, I didn't use the terms bigotry, racism, ignorance or intolerance, yet you still managed not to answer anything I said and still throw down an emoticon.

What are pervy men going to see of women behind stalls in a female bathroom? Who is going to monitor bathroom doors and make sure the people going in have original gansta' vaginas?

Aren't there countless places that pervs can corner women other than bathrooms? I mean, they have to face the risk of another person popping through the door of a public bathroom at any second.

The problem is, since they've implemented this in Seattle, they've been having trouble with men - not so-called "transgendered" - hanging out in Women's locker rooms (and yes, this does include children, even though you ignore that part) watching women and childrn shower, change, etc. because "you can't do anything about it now"...

Not every public gym has private showers. Not every gym has adults-only clientele - lots of gyms have kids activities, and so children share the same facilities as adults. Again, you overlook this.

But hey, let's ignore all of the reality and problems, because some ****ing mental case may get their feelings hurt.

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When you go into a bathroom . Do you stare at everyone. To make sure they belong there. Just do what a lot of people do. Go in do your business & wash hands leave .

Public restrooms are one thing. Not really seeing the big deal there. In Seattle, however, they went full retard and included gyms and such, which are very much different from bathrooms.
 

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Most public bathrooms don't have showers and there aren't urinals in women's bathrooms, they only pull their pants down behind closed stall doors. Health clubs can have shower curtains if the members wish (and members are usually adults). This whole thing is a lot of hand wringing over nothing.

I have little issue with the public bathroom aspect. . Most larger places have family/unisex restrooms. Safety is an issue in public restrooms, but not from transsexual, but from pedophiles, rapist, and other sexual predators. It's a easy place to target women.

To be honest unisex/family/handicap single bathrooms should be mandatory just for safety of all concerned IMHO. Quite frankly as a parent (female) and having had sons, life would have been so much easier. Trying to drag a 6 year old boy into a ladies bathroom was never pleasant nor easy. I would imagine it would be the same or worse for a dad to bring his young daughter into a mens room. I know my son dreads bringing his daughter into the mens restroom.

Lockers rooms forget about it, I wouldn't even attempt to bring my 6 year old sons in one. Health clubs aren't the only places with locker rooms, schools, YMCA's Rec centers, colleges, public pools, work places, those are off the top of my head, I sure I'm forgetting some. Not all have shower curtains or changing stalls, and some are all open to all ages. Again offering a single shower facility would work best for a variety of reasons. I don't see it as hand wringing I see as safety as well as a privacy factor for both parties concerned.

This was back in 2009
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/27/transgender-rights-bathroom-battles/3282141/

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The problem is, since they've implemented this in Seattle, they've been having trouble with men - not so-called "transgendered" - hanging out in Women's locker rooms (and yes, this does include children, even though you ignore that part) watching women and childrn shower, change, etc. because "you can't do anything about it now"...

Not every public gym has private showers. Not every gym has adults-only clientele - lots of gyms have kids activities, and so children share the same facilities as adults. Again, you overlook this.

But hey, let's ignore all of the reality and problems, because some ****ing mental case may get their feelings hurt.

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Public restrooms are one thing. Not really seeing the big deal there. In Seattle, however, they went full retard and included gyms and such, which are very much different from bathrooms.

North Carolina has been the state in the news for going "full retard" the other way, banning transgenders from all female public bathrooms and the vast majority of public bathrooms don't involve showers.

I'd point out that your talk about leftists ignoring unintended consequences was made about gay marriage not many years ago. I could maybe dig around this forum and find you making it.

But, speaking about unintended consequences, transgenders have been using female bathrooms for years. What documented problems has it ever caused to merit North Carolina passing a law? Look at the unintended consequences that that law now creates. Some ugly women look like transgender men - are they going to have to document that they're natural born females to take a $hit? If someone wants to dispute the ticket they're given for using the wrong bathroom, are they going to have to show up in court with a DNA test?

Is this a reasonable issue to burden the legal/judicial system of North Carolina with?
 

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I don't give a **** what North Carolina does. It has zeeo impact on me. I care about what my state does, or what the feds do - those have impact on me.

That all being said, the bottom line is simple - Colleen, the middle-aged man with a penis who "has been living as a woman since 1998" should not be allowed to use the women's locker room, forcing the girl's swim team to have to use a different area to change just because he feels like a special snowflake. He can take his penis, and use the locker room which aligns with his plumbing.

He's not a special snowflake who is being discriminated against. He's someone with either a fetish, or a mental illness. Don't care which it is. He doesn't belong in a locker room with naked young girls. No man does - "transgender" or not - no matter whether he "feels like a woman" or feels like he was "born the wrong sex". It's creepy, weird, and parents have every reason to object to it.
 
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I don't give a **** what North Carolina does. It has zeeo impact on me. I care about what my state does, or what the feds do - those have impact on me.

That all being said, the bottom line is simple - Colleen, the middle-aged man with a penis who "has been living as a woman since 1998" should not be allowed to use the women's locker room, forcing the girl's swim team to have to use a different area to change just because he feels like a special snowflake. He can take his penis, and use the locker room which aligns with his plumbing.

He's not a special snowflake who is being discriminated against. He's someone with either a fetish, or a mental illness. Don't care which it is. He doesn't belong in a locker room with naked young girls. No man does - "transgender" or not - no matter whether he "feels like a woman" or feels like he was "born the wrong sex". It's creepy, weird, and parents have every reason to object to it.

So, you dismiss North Carolina by saying you don't live there and don't give a $hit, but then you talk about Seattle. Do you live there?

If it's going to be illegal for surgically transgendered men to use women's bathrooms, then it raises obvious questions about how those laws could possibly be enforced, making the laws more of a nuisance than they're worth. I don't think those laws are about actually enforcing them (a practical impossibility), but about conservative politicians scoring points with their base, which is outraged that society has become more accepting of transgenderism.

If your only answer is to bring up Seattle and showers again, save it. The overwhelming majority of public bathrooms don't involve showers. It's not possible to equip airports, football stadiums or shopping malls with single use bathrooms for everybody.

Also, boys still have the possibility of being confronted by male pedophiles in men's bathrooms, so I think your children argument is overblown. A responsible parent should take their kid in, or when they're a little older, wait for them at the door and teach them not to talk to strangers and to scream if anyone tries to mess with them.
 

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Here's the bottom line: did North Carolina go full retard? Probably, but then that's the norm in politics - one side goes full retard, and the reaction/response tends to go full retard in the opposite direction.

Additionally, I don't give a **** about public restrooms. If some chick with a dick wants to use the urinal next to me, "she" can feel free to do so. Additionally, if a natural-born woman with OEM equipment wants to, as well, and she's one of those talented ones who can piss into a urinal standing up, bring it on. That's always cool to see. If you've got a penis, and want to go use a shitter in a women's public bathroom, again, knock yourself out.

However, if you have a cock - whether you are born with one, or have a new one through the miracle of surgery, then when it comes to locker rooms, you need to go use the men's locker room - you know, the one that people with penises use.

If you have a penis, no matter how that came to be, you have ZERO business in a locker room meant for women and girls. Period.

This shit isn't all that difficult. Look down at your plumbing, and if you have an innie, use the women's locker room, if you have an outie, use the men's locker room.
 
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I don't disagree with your last post and if I was going to pick my battles and choose an issue to argue about, it wouldn't be which bathroom transsexuals use.

I'd just revert to my original post that this issue isn't a big deal. Tranny's have been a part of the population (a small part) for decades and they've undoubtedly been using women's bathrooms for years because there would be a lot more awkward incidents (and some times violence against them) if they used the men's. It's only getting attention now because of Bruce Jenner and legalized gay marriage.

The number of times that straight men in Seattle or San Francisco will join a health club, with ID's identifying who they are, just so they can cruise the women's locker room and look at pussy 's, is not worth the server space we've used up discussing it.

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