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Visualized: The terrifying amount of data Facebook Messenger collects compared to Signal, iMessage, and WhatsApp​

This is an outstanding find and post! Might I suggest you find a suitable place to post this in the main forum as well? It is not a political nor religious in content. I do believe that folks need to see what an evil Empire Facebook really is.

Again, thank you very much for posting this.
 
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I don't know how it is now, but iirc awhile back i think facebook made you install messenger to message people instead of through fb itself. so i installed the app. i then decided i didn't want it and i couldn't uninstall it. it took my getting another phone and not instaling it on there to get rid of it.
yet another reason i hate them.
The good news is that might be ending soon. If Apple does what they say.
 
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The good news is that might be ending soon. If Apple does what they say.
Apple is not stopping FB or any company from spying. They are merely requiring FB and the rest to explicitly divulge what they are stealing from people.

It will be up to people themselves to stop using those apps and based on HSanders account above, FB will not make it easy to get rid of FB Messenger.
 

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This is an outstanding find and post! Might I suggest you find a suitable place to post this in the main forum as well? It is not a political nor religious in contact. I do believe that folks need to see what an evil Empire Facebook really is.

Again, thank you very much for posting this.
Thanks for the kind comment..
 

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For what its worth: I tried deleting Messenger on my Iphone x, and I can delete it just as any other app.
 
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For what its worth: I tried deleting Messenger on my Iphone x, and I can delete it just as any other app.
There are core apps on the iPhone you can't delete. But you are able to not use it and have it not steal your data which is different than messenger once you have it installed on Facebook.
 
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You can easily permanently remove FB messenger. I’ve done it before, and there’s no trace of it at all.


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I I haven't installed it so I don't know personally if it's difficult. But based on each Sanders comment above maybe you could offer some direction for those that would like to remove it?
 

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I I haven't installed it so I don't know personally if it's difficult. But based on each Sanders comment above maybe you could offer some direction for those that would like to remove it?
Press and hold the icon and the delete option appears. One click and gone.
I only use it on my Mac and not sure if it's as invasive there. If Apple's privacy changes are effective I might use it on the phone.
 
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Press and hold the icon and the delete option appears. One click and gone.
I only use it on my Mac and not sure if it's as invasive there. If Apple's privacy changes are effective I might use it on the phone.
Thank you.

Keep in mind that Apple is doing NOTHING to change the way the FB Messenger app operates nor are they stopping the app from stealing the shirt off of your back. They are just requiring FB to TELL YOU specially what they are stealing. If you leave FB messenger on your devices FB will still know you better than you know you.
 

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There are core apps on the iPhone you can't delete. But you are able to not use it and have it not steal your data which is different than messenger once you have it installed on Facebook.
What im saying is Messenger isnt one of those. You can delete it by pressing a button.
 

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I’ll take FB any day over the morons that so many people follow in Twitter.

I only use FB to stay in touch with family and friends. The rest is typical social media garbage.


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I don't do twitter either, that is a cesspool.
 

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I’ll take FB any day over the morons that so many people follow in Twitter.

I only use FB to stay in touch with family and friends. The rest is typical social media garbage.


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Ditto. Plus I use it for, like this place, to gain info for my work.

As I've said before, it's a user-driven platform, you see and interact with what pretty much just what you want to.

As far as Messenger. I do use it a good deal for friends and family and I don't care what anyone knows about those conversations. But if it really bothers me or have some Secret Squirrel shit to discuss we always have Whatsapp messaging.

And my wonderful weed people use Snapchat cuz the messages get deleted in short order automatically, or at least that's the theory. :)
 

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I have an account for the board on both Facebook and Twitter. I never installed the Facebook app and don't even really need to go there. I just press a button here to publish something on either platform.

I don't follow too many on Twitter. But I do think it can serve as a good instant news aggregator and occasionally use it as such. I don't bother reading much opinion there.
 

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Of interest


The past several months have served up many reasons to see Facebook as the antisocial network.

It lets political candidates lie in paid ads that they can then microtarget to the easily duped. It tolerates fake pages until outside watchdogs call them out. And it’s chosen—in contrast to Twitter—to look past President Trump lying about mail-in ballots or endorsing extrajudicial executions by U.S. troops in U.S. streets.
Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has declared his own “visceral negative reaction” to Trump’s reactionary posts. But Facebook still gives the frequently inaccurate Trump-worshipping site Breitbart a privileged spot in its mobile app’s News section. And Trump’s most prominent techie fan, press-menacing investor Peter Thiel, retains a spot on Facebook’s board.
If you see Zuckerberg and Facebook on the wrong side of history—a sentiment now voiced by some Facebook employees—shoving the site out your social-media airlock can be tempting.
But as Facebook self-exiles like my friend Dan Tynan have found, deleting Facebook means missing a lot of interaction that doesn’t happen elsewhere online.
Can you instead keep using Facebook for its core friends-and-family use while making yourself less of an asset to that company?
The answer evokes that old Facebook standby: It’s complicated. You can and should take key steps to limit Facebook’s data collection. But while you can shave the money Facebook makes from selling ads targeted to your interests, this tactic isn’t as effective as spending less time—or no time at all—on the service.
“This is actually very hard,” says Nima Gardideh, cofounder of the New York marketing agency Pearmill. “Even if you’re on the extreme ends of trying to protect your data, the reality is that Facebook understands you very well.”

ESSENTIAL STEPS​

Consider two of the most commonly suggested privacy upgrades: blocking Facebook’s mobile apps from tracking your location in the background and stopping the service from tracking your browsing across the web through the Like and Share buttons at sites such as this one.
(My own blog also had Facebook widgets until I deleted them—mainly because Google reported they bogged down load times.)
On privacy grounds, you should do both immediately. Exercise the settings in iOSor Android to block the Facebook app’s background location tracking, use Facebook’s Off-Facebook Activity setting to stop it from tracking your browsing elsewhere, and limit your desktop Facebook use to browsers such as Mozilla Firefoxand Apple’s Safari that block this tracking.

THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING I DID IS, I DELETED THE APPS FROM MY PHONE.”
JASON KINT, DIGITAL CONTENT NEXT
Facebook didn’t answer my queries about how many users had opted out of those two forms of tracking, but it certainly benefits from the information these steps help you protect. “I can’t emphasize enough how critical it is for Facebook, or for any company that’s competing to sell advertising, to be able to track users off their own property,” says Dina Srinivasan, a former digital-advertising executive who now critiques the industry as a fellow at the Yale University-hosted Thurman Arnold Project.

But that information is less essential to Facebook as long as you keep spending time on Facebook itself.
“Yes, you can disable these options and less information will be collected about you,” said Yuval Ben-Itzhak, CEO of the New York ad agency Socialbakers. “But there will be enough information collected about you just by being on the platform.”
He added that his firm still sees greater engagement for ads run on Facebook than elsewhere: “That indicates where the value stands.”
If you want to dent Facebook’s business model, you’ll also need to dent your time there—even as Facebook continues to optimize for, as Gardideh put it, “making it so that you, the user, will continue coming back.”
Gardideh, fed up with Facebook’s feckless approach to Trump, is now advising Pearmill’s clients to divert their ad spending elsewhere. Wednesday, a coalition led by such groups as the NAACP, the Anti-Defamation League, and Free Press launched a #StopHateforProfit campaignurging businesses to pull all their ads from Facebook properties throughout July; the North Face, Patagonia and REI have since signed on.
Trimming your friends list to people you’d invite into your house, then quitting most of the groups and pages you follow, will give you fewer reasons to spend time on Facebook without nuking its core close-relationships value.
Turning off Facebook’s notifications can also shrink your screen time there. On iOS, deleting Facebook’s mobile app and using only its mobile site will zero out its ability to tug at your digital sleeve, because mobile sites can’t send push notifications on iPhones.
“The most significant thing I did is, I deleted the apps from my phone,” said Jason Kint, CEO of the online-publishing group Digital Content Nextand a critic of Facebook and Google’s reach. “That you can do without losing the content itself.”
Gardideh, Srinivasan, and Kint back regulation to curb Facebook’s collection of data. Forcing Facebook to undo its purchase of Instagram would also give people a choice of massively used, mobile-first social networks.
But Kint held out hope for small actions beginning to snowball.
“If you cut back your usage by 10% or you delete the apps, enough people do that and it does start to have a significant impact to the business.”
 

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The principle and the mindset of ending people's thoughts in supposedly open platforms is more than concerning and should be alarming for all. They are coming for the 1st Amendment and when it's cashed in this republic and the, therefore, the world are done. At least for now
 
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