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If rodgers signs with Squeelers, it is the best of both worlds
  • makes it amusing to watch rodgers v tomlin
  • giants more likely to reach for a qb at pick 3 this draft 🤷
 
OSUBuckeye said:
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2025 Rules Change Proposals | NFL Football Operations

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By Detroit; amends Rule 8, Section 4, to eliminate an automatic first down as a penalty imposed for defensive holding and illegal contact.
By Green Bay; amends Rule 12, Section 1, to prohibit an offensive player from pushing a teammate who was lined up directly behind the snapper and receives the snap, immediately at the snap.

I can get behind these 2 proposed changes.

No more tush push!
 
chevss454 said:
By Detroit; amends Rule 8, Section 4, to eliminate an automatic first down as a penalty imposed for defensive holding and illegal contact.
By Green Bay; amends Rule 12, Section 1, to prohibit an offensive player from pushing a teammate who was lined up directly behind the snapper and receives the snap, immediately at the snap.

I can get behind these 2 proposed changes.

No more tush push!
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Elimilinate the Brotherly Shove is a good change. However, it should apply at the immediate snap only.
I'm not for the change in d-holding or illegal contact. If the rule changes we will start seeing a lot more of it.
 
ParanoidPatriot said:
Elimilinate the Brotherly Shove is a good change. However, it should apply at the immediate snap only.
I'm not for the change in d-holding or illegal contact. If the rule changes we will start seeing a lot more of it.
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Agreed. It would be exploited and lead to more intentional penalties by the D as a strategy.
 
chevss454 said:
By Detroit; amends Rule 8, Section 4, to eliminate an automatic first down as a penalty imposed for defensive holding and illegal contact.
By Green Bay; amends Rule 12, Section 1, to prohibit an offensive player from pushing a teammate who was lined up directly behind the snapper and receives the snap, immediately at the snap.

I can get behind these 2 proposed changes.

No more tush push!
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ParanoidPatriot said:
Elimilinate the Brotherly Shove is a good change. However, it should apply at the immediate snap only.
I'm not for the change in d-holding or illegal contact. If the rule changes we will start seeing a lot more of it.
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I don't understand how the tush push is legal in the first place. Or is the rule against assisting the runner something I just made up in my head and have carried for decades? Why would this be an exception?
 
Saw something about Jameis Winston to the Giants. have to dig it up (think it was SI). that's interesting as it seems to me that means they'll still be in the pick a QB mode and hoping they bite on Sanders at 3.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
I don't understand how the tush push is legal in the first place. Or is the rule against assisting the runner something I just made up in my head and have carried for decades? Why would this be an exception?
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Is it against the rules for nfl players to assist the ball carrier to gain more ground?
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In the NFL, offensive players can push the ball carrier forward, but they cannot pull or lift the ball carrier to assist in gaining ground, which is a penalty called "aiding the runner".
Here's a more detailed explanation:

Pushing is allowed:
The NFL rule allows offensive players to push the ball carrier forward, similar to a "tush push" play, to gain additional yardage.

Pulling or lifting is prohibited:
However, the rule explicitly prohibits offensive players from pulling or lifting the ball carrier to assist in forward progress.
Penalty for aiding the runner:
If an offensive player is caught pulling or lifting the ball carrier, the penalty is a 10-yard penalty.
History of the rule:
In the past, pushing the ball carrier was illegal, but the NFL lifted that ban in 2005.
 
chevss454 said:
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In the NFL, offensive players can push the ball carrier forward, but they cannot pull or lift the ball carrier to assist in gaining ground, which is a penalty called "aiding the runner".
Here's a more detailed explanation:

Pushing is allowed:
The NFL rule allows offensive players to push the ball carrier forward, similar to a "tush push" play, to gain additional yardage.

Pulling or lifting is prohibited:
However, the rule explicitly prohibits offensive players from pulling or lifting the ball carrier to assist in forward progress.
Penalty for aiding the runner:
If an offensive player is caught pulling or lifting the ball carrier, the penalty is a 10-yard penalty.
History of the rule:
In the past, pushing the ball carrier was illegal, but the NFL lifted that ban in 2005.
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So okay, but I don't think this was always the rule. I remember (back when I was just a Little Wanderer) a play where Marion Butts was pushed (not pulled or lifted) across the goal line and it was called back for aiding the runner, and it caused a big discussion of the rules in my house. If I remember correctly, one of the announcers (the partner of Ahmad Rashad?) said something like "this isn't rugby, guys."

Maybe we were wrong then, and maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
So okay, but I don't think this was always the rule. I remember (back when I was just a Little Wanderer) a play where Marion Butts was pushed (not pulled or lifted) across the goal line and it was called back for aiding the runner, and it caused a big discussion of the rules in my house. If I remember correctly, one of the announcers (the partner of Ahmad Rashad?) said something like "this isn't rugby, guys."

Maybe we were wrong then, and maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
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See the last sentence of my post above yours. Pushing was always illegal until the league made it legal in 2005

Butts retired in 1995 so it was illegal then
 
chevss454 said:
See the last sentence of my post above yours. Pushing was always illegal until the league made it legal in 2005

Butts retired in 1995 so it was illegal then
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Ah, I did miss that last sentence. Thank you.

That is a really weird thing to suddenly make legal. Who petitioned for that, and why would they approve it?
 
I agree that pushing the runner in any instance should be illegal (or go back to being illegal). you can just plan for an O-line guy to follow the runner and shove him forward.
tush push was cute when it was unique, now it's grown tired and takes most of the drama out of "going for it" on 4th and short.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
Boo. Doesn't prevent them from taking a QB first, but reduces the likelihood for sure.
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saw another story in The Athletic (can't link it) that said Winston is the likely "veteran support role/model" for a new QB to be drafted. They speculate that Titans are set on Ward so the only question was would they take a QB at 3 - like Sheduer - or try and move back into the late 1st for Jaxson Dart. I think Giants will be scared to risk it and take a QB at 3 (unless in the unlikely scenario that Titans swap 1st with the Gints). you never know what can happen but I'm getting a pretty good feeling either Hunter or Carter will be there at 4.
 
Flagg the Wanderer said:
I don't understand how the tush push is legal in the first place. Or is the rule against assisting the runner something I just made up in my head and have carried for decades? Why would this be an exception?
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They took the runner assist rule out several years ago. I always thought the same thing. I think they took it out around the same time as the Franco Harris 'offensive player can't touch the ball first on a deflection' rule. (Which wasn't until years later)
 
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