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Well, there's a glowing example of intellectual integrity.
No. That was obvious sarcasm. There is HUGE difference between obvious sarcasm and posting BS while claiming it is otherwise.

Simple stuff.
 

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The nationally representative poll of 1,000 citizens included 307 voters who cast votes for Republican Congressional candidates in the midterm elections. We asked them, “In your opinion, how many citizens voting for the Democrats did so because they sincerely believe that the Democratic party is best for the country?”

Republicans can’t understand Democrats​



Only one in four Republican voters felt that most or almost all Democratic voters sincerely believed they were voting in the best interests of the country. Rather, many Republicans told us that Democratic voters were “brainwashed by the propaganda of the mainstream media,” or voting solely in their self-interest to preserve undeserved welfare and food stamp benefits.

We asked every Republican in the sample to do their best to imagine that they were a Democrat and sincerely believed that the Democratic Party was best for the country. We asked them to explain their support for the Democratic Party as an actual Democratic voter might. For example, a 64-year-old strong Republican man from Illinois surmised that “Democrats want to help the poor, save Social Security, and tax the rich.”

But most had trouble looking at the world through Democratic eyes. Typical was a a 59-year-old Floridian who wrote “I don’t want to work and I want cradle to grave assistance. In other words, Mommy!” Indeed, roughly one in six Republican voters answered in the persona of a Democratic voter who is motivated “free college,” “free health care,” “free welfare,” and so on. They see Democrats as voting in order to get “free stuff” “without having to work for it” was extremely common – roughly one in six Republican voters used the word “free” in the their answers, whereas no real Democratic voters in our sample answered this way.

Among the Republicans who seemed to try hardest to take the perspective of sincere and patriotic Democratic voters, the most common attributions were related to immigration – a topic made salient by President Trump in his campaign stops during the last month of the election. As in this Republican woman from Washington who said, “Democrats welcome all people into the country whether they are here legally or not.”

Democrats return the favor: Republicans uninformed or self-interested​

The 429 Democratic voters in our sample returned the favor and raised many of the same themes. Democrats inferred that Republicans must be “VERY ill-informed,” or that “Fox news told me to vote for Republicans.” Or that Republicans are “uneducated and misguided people guided by what the media is feeding them.”

Many also attributed votes to individual self-interest – whereas GOP voters feel Democrats want “free stuff,” many Democrats believe Republicans think that “I got mine and don’t want the libs to take it away,” or that “some day I will be rich and then I can get the benefits that rich people get now.”

Many used the question to express their anger and outrage at the other side. Rather than really try to take the position of their opponents, they said things like, “I like a dictatorial system of Government, I’m a racist, I hate non-whites.”

Democrats think many Republicans sincere, and point to policy​



Democrats, however, were somewhat more generous in their answers. More than four in ten Democratic voters (42%) felt that most Republican voters had the country’s best interests at heart (combining the top two bars in the figure below). And many tried their best to answer from the other’s perspective. A 45-year-old male voter from Ohio imagined that as a Republican, he was motivated by Republicans’ “harsh stance on immigration; standing up for the 2nd Amendment; promised tax cuts.” A 30-year-old woman from Colorado felt that Republican votes reflected the desires to “stop abortion… stop gay marriage from ruining our country… and give us our coal jobs back.”

Other Democrats felt that their opponents were mostly motivated by the GOP’s “opposition to Obamacare,” “lower taxes” and to support a party that “reduced unemployment.”

Taking the perspective of others proved to be really hard​

The divide in the United States is wide, and one indication of that is how difficult our question proved for many thoughtful citizens. A 77-year-old Republican woman from Pennsylvania was typical of the voters who struggled with this question, telling us, “This is really hard for me to even try to think like a devilcrat!, I am sorry but I in all honesty cannot answer this question. I cannot even wrap my mind around any reason they would be good for this country.”

Similarly, a 53-year-old Republican from Virginia said, “I honestly cannot even pretend to be a Democrat and try to come up with anything positive at all, but, I guess they would vote Democrat because they are illegal immigrants and they are promised many benefits to voting for that party. Also, just to follow what others are doing. And third would be just because they hate Trump so much.” The picture she paints of the typical Democratic voter being an immigrant, who goes along with their party or simply hates Trump will seem like a strange caricature to most Democratic voters. But her answer seems to lack the animus of many.

Democrats struggled just as much as Republicans. A 33-year-old woman from California told said, “i really am going to have a hard time doing this” but then offered that Republicans “are morally right as in values, … going to protect us from terrorest and immigrants, … going to create jobs.”

Voters like these – baffled but not hostile – would seem to represent an opportunity. Their answers tell us that they might actually be interested in better understanding those at the opposite end of the political spectrum and that motivation could be the first step of a long journey toward reducing incivility and polarization. Whether such voters can long endure in today’s media and social media environment is a critical question – if they can endure and even grow, then the prospects for bipartisan cooperation in areas of shared concern will be possible. If not, polarization will continue to rise.
I may be the outlier, which I do not think I am, but most liberals that I converse with have no desire to discuss anything. According to them I should only allow them to share their opinion and never challenge them on it, or even have another opinion. Liberals that I know personally, threaten me to lose contact with grand nephews, nieces, and other family members should I challenge their beliefs. There is no chance for reconcilliation when a discussion cannot be had.
 

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I may be the outlier, which I do not think I am, but most liberals that I converse with have no desire to discuss anything. According to them I should only allow them to share their opinion and never challenge them on it, or even have another opinion. Liberals that I know personally, threaten me to lose contact with grand nephews, nieces, and other family members should I challenge their beliefs. There is no chance for reconcilliation when a discussion cannot be had.
That is sad, and I have nothing but empathy for your predicament.

I have many family members who support different political candidates or positions than I do. Discussions are always civil and respectful among us. None of us allow political issues to interfere with or to poison our relationships.
 

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I may be the outlier, which I do not think I am, but most liberals that I converse with have no desire to discuss anything. According to them I should only allow them to share their opinion and never challenge them on it, or even have another opinion. Liberals that I know personally, threaten me to lose contact with grand nephews, nieces, and other family members should I challenge their beliefs. There is no chance for reconcilliation when a discussion cannot be had.
i have a friend whose liberal cousin refuses to speak to her anymore due to their opposing opinions.
i have had uncles i refused to deal with anymore because they made EVERYTHING about their politics and wanted to shame me. one of them backtracked when i trapped him in his bs but i told him not to bother. when he died, his daughter apologized to me on his behalf.
 

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Why tf are we giving China money. Aren't they loaning us money while at the same time accepting free money from us?

Trump administration. Who knows if this is something that has happened in the past

 

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As I have done with other Presidents who I like and dislike, I will give them props when I agree with them. I 100% agree with Biden on this, at least for the DACA group. The rest, that is debatable. There should be repercussions for crossing illegally or out staying a visa and that shouldn't be a free pass to citizenship.
 

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As I have done with other Presidents who I like and dislike, I will give them props when I agree with them. I 100% agree with Biden on this, at least for the DACA group. The rest, that is debatable. There should be repercussions for crossing illegally or out staying a visa and that shouldn't be a free pass to citizenship.
Thanks. How much of MY MONEY (and my kids and their kids) are you in 100% agreement with Biden stealing and spending on these illegal immigrants?

Please provide an actual number so I can budget.

I thought I only had 3 dependents. BB says it's millions.
 

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I am talking about the dreamers mostly because they were brought here not on their own accord. Biden's plan says they have to have jobs, pass a background check, pay taxes, etc before they can get a temporary green card. Once they get a green card, they have to keep clean and then a few years later become citizens. I think that is truly fair. It shows they can be productive to society and stay clean. I don't think there should be a reward to crossing the border illegally from this point forward but those who are here (especially teh DACA's) should potentially get some work towards it.
 
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I am talking about the dreamers mostly because they were brought here not on their own accord. Biden's plan says they have to have jobs, pass a background check, pay taxes, etc before they can get a temporary green card. Once they get a green card, they have to keep clean and then a few years later become citizens. I think that is truly fair. It shows they can be productive to society and stay clean. I don't think there should be a reward to crossing the border illegally from this point forward but those who are here (especially teh DACA's) should potentially get some work towards it.

Extremely reasonable given the current thoughts on immigration.

I can get into detail but I firmly support open immigration for most but strong borders. I haven't spoken about it much here but it is a very large subject on ethical, political, and for the individuals involved, and is very important. It's a rights issue, meaning it's a life issue.
 

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I am talking about the dreamers mostly because they were brought here not on their own accord. Biden's plan says they have to have jobs, pass a background check, pay taxes, etc before they can get a temporary green card. Once they get a green card, they have to keep clean and then a few years later become citizens. I think that is truly fair. It shows they can be productive to society and stay clean. I don't think there should be a reward to crossing the border illegally from this point forward but those who are here (especially teh DACA's) should potentially get some work towards it.
I don't for a minute believe those standards will actually be put in place. Neither do you.
 

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I hope they do, it shouldn't be a freebie persay. According to the news story that ran during newscast at work, that is what he is going to propose.
 
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