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Yeah. His attitude change did not come out of the blue. The focus change was sig. on top of no contract extension. The writing was on the wall for him.
I think he was saying that Brady was not why they could change the gameplan on the fly and that him being able to adapt was not the reason it worked, it was just the coaches....
 
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Yeah. His attitude change did not come out of the blue. The focus change was sig. on top of no contract extension. The writing was on the wall for him.
It wasn't on the wall until he insisted on the no franchise tag clause. He wanted out before 2019 even started.

Who said I gave all credit to Brady, I am just giving him some credit that you are not. The offense changed because of Brady. Read the story Chev, Lazar is damn sure saying it. Saying oh just toss in QB and they can do all that is just silly. I mean if you dont Belive Lazar than believe BB who said Brady was a big part of the building of that offense. Brady had every right to be upset by what was there in 2019. He is a competitor and he is 100 percent allowed to voice his frustration with that and he should have. There was a lot of failures the last two years in building this team regardless if you like it or not because its really ok to say Bill made some mistakes which you cannot bring yourself to do.

Bottom line if you are going to run a complex system that requires a ton from the QB from adapting to knowing what to get into during games, you damn sure better have the QB that can do it. They did for two decades, now they dont. You want to say, it was not Brady as being part of that, no coach, player or Lazar is going to agree with you.

Brady was a part of it for sure. My point is that Brady didn't change his style of play. He executed what the coaches wanted him to do based on the game plan specific for an opponent.
 

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It wasn't on the wall until he insisted on the no franchise tag clause. He wanted out before 2019 even started.



Brady was a part of it for sure. My point is that Brady didn't change his style of play. He executed what the coaches wanted him to do based on the game plan specific for an opponent.
I didnt say style. I said Brady is able to change to do different things that not all QB's can do. That is why it worked for so long. I am sure the coaches would love to find another QB who can do that, which is why they kept him around the last 19 years. I am going by what Lazar just said and I agree with him, but never said anyone was all anything. I just said that Brady made it much easier to install that offense the way it was because of how he could adapt to change on the fly.
 
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I didnt say style. I said Brady is able to change to do different things that not all QB's can do. That is why it worked for so long. I am sure the coaches would love to find another QB who can do that, which is why they kept him around the last 19 years. I am going by what Lazar just said and I agree with him, but never said anyone was all anything. I just said that Brady made it much easier to install that offense the way it was because of how he could adapt to change on the fly.

Ok, I'll bite. Brady handed off or passed the ball and he did those well. What different things did he do?
 

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Ok, I'll bite. Brady handed off or passed the ball and he did those well. What different things did he do?
You think gameplanning for a team is just if you pass or hand off? I really hope you are not serious. Read your link again.
 
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You think gameplanning for a team is just if you pass or hand off? I really hope you are not serious. Read your link again.
I've read it, thanks. Now answer my question about Brady doing different things other than handing the ball off or passing the ball.
 

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I've read it, thanks. Now answer my question about Brady doing different things other than handing the ball off or passing the ball.
i would say the way he could read a defense and they way he was able to avoid the dumb mistakes more times that not is something that is tough to find to?
 

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I've read it, thanks. Now answer my question about Brady doing different things other than handing the ball off or passing the ball.
Lazar explained it.

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Brady was a quarterback chameleon, allowing the scheme to shift personnel groupings and its point of attack to amplify the best skill players surrounding the greatest quarterback of all-time.

“Early in my career, it was probably more the running game. And then we got Wes [Welker] and Randy and Donte Stallworth and Jabar [Gaffney] – it was probably more receiver heavy. And then we got Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, and that became a little bit more tight end heavy,” Brady told CLNS Media during the 2019 season.

“So, I think over the years, the experience that we’ve had has been helpful to transition our offense to the skillset of the players. I think that’s what good teams do. You know, you’re not going to be able to replace this player for that guy. It’s hard to replace a Randy Moss. It’s hard to replace a Rob Gronkowski, so you’ve just got to morph the offense and try different things and see what works.”

Brady’s sentiment that good teams adapt to their personnel is true, but what happens when the quarterback is new and playing in the system for the first time? Like Moss or Gronk, there’s no replacing Tom Brady.

Due to Brady’s extensive knowledge of the offense, New England ran a passing system with several different pre and post-snap adjustments or options for quarterback and receiver.

Passing Daboll: New England's Hoss Y-Juke - Roll 'Bama Roll


(via Zach Dunn)
For instance, one of the Patriots’ go-to play-calls over the years, especially once they shifted to a tight end and slot receiver-heavy attack, was the legendary HOSS Z (or Y) Juke.

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Brady is able to resnap read the defense, makes changes based on the team they are playing, put people in the right position to have the most successful play. If it requires quicker passes, he can do that, if they are going to have more time based on defense, Brady can make the longer route passes. Brady was very good at being able to play in a shoot out or a grind it out type of game. Playing Qb at that level requires you to do a lot more than just throw and hand off. He was able to go through levels in passing where there could be a play here, but this play over here would lead to the better outcome based on the team they were playing. In games where their was a good pass rush, Cam was not able to change from what he does, he does not have the ability to read defenses and make quick passes to certain area's based on coverages, so it hurt them. Having a Qb that is able to fit into what is the best offense you need for that game is a must. Brady was able to be that.
 

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i would say the way he could read a defense and they way he was able to avoid the dumb mistakes more times that not is something that is tough to find to?
That, and also what I just posted. Like I said, Lazar indicated this in the link chev provided. He breaks it down quite well actually. This idea the coaches just need Brady to hand off when we tell him to is silly. Brady had full control over the offense, he could move players into better position, he could make changes at will, this power was given to him by the coaches based on his ability to do it. Anyway its in the post I just posted along with Lazar's words.
 

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Here's what BB said on Dak back in Nov., 2019. It sounds reminiscent of what BB said about Hunter Henry this year.


Stats of Dak Prescott and Deshaun Watson. Not much different.

I should clarify Dak's contract dispute with Jerrah. Dak wanted a short term, 3-4 year deal so he could enter FA while still in his prime at the time of the new TV deals kicking in. Jerrah wanted a long term deal, 6-7 years, to keep Dak during his prime at a reasonable rate as cap soared.

That report leaked by the Cowboys about Dak wanting $45M is true but that $45M was only for the 1st year as a trade off for Dak to accept the long term deal Jerrah wanted averaging $30-$35M/. (Dak doesn't trust Jerrah!?) Jerrah being a smart business man said no, I'll just franchise tag you and save $14M for 2020. Dak signed the tag that paid him $31.5M for 2020; he wasn't happy about it but realized it was a logical compromise being for only a year. Jerrah can FT Dak again for 2021 but the cost would be $37.5M. Dak could sign it again and he'd be getting the short deal he wanted all along.

But there's a problem with the 2nd FT that Smart Jerrah didn't fully realize a year ago ---> the lower salary cap bc of COVID. Suddenly Jerrah doesn't have the cap space to do it easily - he's $20M short. Yeah, he could re-structure contracts and let a valuable FA or 2 go but he'd further reduce a team in flux. As I said, screw Jerrah.


Excellent post. Although Watson being a possibility is too great to pass up, Dak doesn't seem like a terrible plan B.
 

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Out of all the available, I would probably choose Fitz. Unselfish, professional, can play in different offenses. Wouldn't that finish the AFC East tour.
I may be in the minority with this sentiment, but I wouldn't entirely hate to see Teddy Bridgewater (I know, he is not "technically" available as I write this, and I wouldn't want him unless it was a FA signing). The loss of McCaffrey was a dagger to a team that was fairly competitive (I think they had only two blowout losses all year). His weapons outside of McCaffrey are fairly pedestrian, as was the defense. I expected him to have some ups-and-downs in his first full season back.

I'm not wishing for this to happen by any means but I feel like he has more 1-2 year upside than a Fitzpatrick could give you.
 

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I may be in the minority with this sentiment, but I wouldn't entirely hate to see Teddy Bridgewater (I know, he is not "technically" available as I write this, and I wouldn't want him unless it was a FA signing). The loss of McCaffrey was a dagger to a team that was fairly competitive (I think they had only two blowout losses all year). His weapons outside of McCaffrey are fairly pedestrian, as was the defense. I expected him to have some ups-and-downs in his first full season back.

I'm not wishing for this to happen by any means but I feel like he has more 1-2 year upside than a Fitzpatrick could give you.
That was my argument last off season. He is under contract though. My other thought for a FA qb was tyrod taylor, but I was escorted from the building for suggesting that.
 
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Lazar explained it.


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Brady was a quarterback chameleon, allowing the scheme to shift personnel groupings and its point of attack to amplify the best skill players surrounding the greatest quarterback of all-time.

“Early in my career, it was probably more the running game. And then we got Wes [Welker] and Randy and Donte Stallworth and Jabar [Gaffney] – it was probably more receiver heavy. And then we got Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, and that became a little bit more tight end heavy,” Brady told CLNS Media during the 2019 season.

“So, I think over the years, the experience that we’ve had has been helpful to transition our offense to the skillset of the players. I think that’s what good teams do. You know, you’re not going to be able to replace this player for that guy. It’s hard to replace a Randy Moss. It’s hard to replace a Rob Gronkowski, so you’ve just got to morph the offense and try different things and see what works.”

Brady’s sentiment that good teams adapt to their personnel is true, but what happens when the quarterback is new and playing in the system for the first time? Like Moss or Gronk, there’s no replacing Tom Brady.

Due to Brady’s extensive knowledge of the offense, New England ran a passing system with several different pre and post-snap adjustments or options for quarterback and receiver.

Passing Daboll: New England's Hoss Y-Juke - Roll 'Bama Roll's Hoss Y-Juke - Roll 'Bama Roll


(via Zach Dunn)
For instance, one of the Patriots’ go-to play-calls over the years, especially once they shifted to a tight end and slot receiver-heavy attack, was the legendary HOSS Z (or Y) Juke.

My Words
Brady is able to resnap read the defense, makes changes based on the team they are playing, put people in the right position to have the most successful play. If it requires quicker passes, he can do that, if they are going to have more time based on defense, Brady can make the longer route passes. Brady was very good at being able to play in a shoot out or a grind it out type of game. Playing Qb at that level requires you to do a lot more than just throw and hand off. He was able to go through levels in passing where there could be a play here, but this play over here would lead to the better outcome based on the team they were playing. In games where their was a good pass rush, Cam was not able to change from what he does, he does not have the ability to read defenses and make quick passes to certain area's based on coverages, so it hurt them. Having a Qb that is able to fit into what is the best offense you need for that game is a must. Brady was able to be that.
I agree that TB was great at reading defenses but that wasn't him changing anything. It was simply him being the GOAT we knew and loved.
 

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I may be in the minority with this sentiment, but I wouldn't entirely hate to see Teddy Bridgewater (I know, he is not "technically" available as I write this, and I wouldn't want him unless it was a FA signing). The loss of McCaffrey was a dagger to a team that was fairly competitive (I think they had only two blowout losses all year). His weapons outside of McCaffrey are fairly pedestrian, as was the defense. I expected him to have some ups-and-downs in his first full season back.

I'm not wishing for this to happen by any means but I feel like he has more 1-2 year upside than a Fitzpatrick could give you.
He is hit or miss for me. He is just what he is, nothing really spectacular in any one thing. Not a greater thrower, but not a great runner, but can do some of both ok.
 

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I agree that TB was great at reading defenses but that wasn't him changing anything. It was simply him being the GOAT we knew and loved.
Ok, I am not going to really beat this to death, but I have seen Brady change things at the line and move out of plays and put players over into other positions with my own eyes and so has Lazar because he literally talks about it in your article. But does not really matter really, good luck finding a Brady again.
 

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Out of all the available, I would probably choose Fitz. Unselfish, professional, can play in different offenses. Wouldn't that finish the AFC East tour.
The more that he plays, the better that I like him. Wisdom shows. Also, he seems like a great tutor for the noobs (QB's).

I'd be OK with BB signing Fitzmagic and drafting a QB that BB wants...
 
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