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There are pastors who understand God’s grace who are reluctant to preach grace, because grace will lead to a license to sin. Many of these same pastors in an effort to reduce sinning, they revert to preaching law, thinking that’s going to solve the problem. 


They want to scare the sin out of people, put their salvation on the line, dangle that up in front of them and scare them with a conditional salvation and that will straighten them up. So they stop preaching grace, as if not preaching grace is going stop people from sinning. 


The problem with law as the answer to people’s dilemma is that law is totally incapable of changing the human heart and that’s where the problem lies. What we do, or what we do not do, is not a test of anyone’s salvation today. What we believe is the only test for salvation today! 


Most people think salvation is the end result, salvation is the starting point. The issue of salvation is understanding the reconciliation where our sin is concerned, do we understand that God is reconciled where all sin is concerned for all time. 


The price was paid for all and through that payment, Jesus Christ redeemed the entire human race from the sin barrier that separated the world from God. The sin issue needs to be resolved in our minds, not in Gods.
 

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There are pastors who understand God’s grace who are reluctant to preach grace, because grace will lead to a license to sin. Many of these same pastors in an effort to reduce sinning, they revert to preaching law, thinking that’s going to solve the problem. 


They want to scare the sin out of people, put their salvation on the line, dangle that up in front of them and scare them with a conditional salvation and that will straighten them up. So they stop preaching grace, as if not preaching grace is going stop people from sinning. 


The problem with law as the answer to people’s dilemma is that law is totally incapable of changing the human heart and that’s where the problem lies. What we do, or what we do not do, is not a test of anyone’s salvation today. What we believe is the only test for salvation today! 


Most people think salvation is the end result, salvation is the starting point. The issue of salvation is understanding the reconciliation where our sin is concerned, do we understand that God is reconciled where all sin is concerned for all time. 


The price was paid for all and through that payment, Jesus Christ redeemed the entire human race from the sin barrier that separated the world from God. The sin issue needs to be resolved in our minds, not in Gods.

Or. You know, perhaps didn't.
 

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There are pastors who understand God’s grace who are reluctant to preach grace, because grace will lead to a license to sin. Many of these same pastors in an effort to reduce sinning, they revert to preaching law, thinking that’s going to solve the problem. 


They want to scare the sin out of people, put their salvation on the line, dangle that up in front of them and scare them with a conditional salvation and that will straighten them up. So they stop preaching grace, as if not preaching grace is going stop people from sinning. 


The problem with law as the answer to people’s dilemma is that law is totally incapable of changing the human heart and that’s where the problem lies. What we do, or what we do not do, is not a test of anyone’s salvation today. What we believe is the only test for salvation today! 


Most people think salvation is the end result, salvation is the starting point. The issue of salvation is understanding the reconciliation where our sin is concerned, do we understand that God is reconciled where all sin is concerned for all time. 


The price was paid for all and through that payment, Jesus Christ redeemed the entire human race from the sin barrier that separated the world from God. The sin issue needs to be resolved in our minds, not in Gods.
Any pastor who knowingly manipulates his congregation in this manner is not going to like what God has to say to him when the two meet.
 

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There are pastors who understand God’s grace who are reluctant to preach grace, because grace will lead to a license to sin. Many of these same pastors in an effort to reduce sinning, they revert to preaching law, thinking that’s going to solve the problem. 


They want to scare the sin out of people, put their salvation on the line, dangle that up in front of them and scare them with a conditional salvation and that will straighten them up. So they stop preaching grace, as if not preaching grace is going stop people from sinning. 


The problem with law as the answer to people’s dilemma is that law is totally incapable of changing the human heart and that’s where the problem lies. What we do, or what we do not do, is not a test of anyone’s salvation today. What we believe is the only test for salvation today! 


Most people think salvation is the end result, salvation is the starting point. The issue of salvation is understanding the reconciliation where our sin is concerned, do we understand that God is reconciled where all sin is concerned for all time. 


The price was paid for all and through that payment, Jesus Christ redeemed the entire human race from the sin barrier that separated the world from God. The sin issue needs to be resolved in our minds, not in Gods.
I think where the problem lies is that people believe fantastical nonsense that they are thousands of years removed from but if someone walked up to them tomorrow and said some dude was born of a virgin and then rose up into the sky they'd laugh in their face.
 

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There are pastors who understand God’s grace who are reluctant to preach grace, because grace will lead to a license to sin. Many of these same pastors in an effort to reduce sinning, they revert to preaching law, thinking that’s going to solve the problem. 


They want to scare the sin out of people, put their salvation on the line, dangle that up in front of them and scare them with a conditional salvation and that will straighten them up. So they stop preaching grace, as if not preaching grace is going stop people from sinning. 


The problem with law as the answer to people’s dilemma is that law is totally incapable of changing the human heart and that’s where the problem lies. What we do, or what we do not do, is not a test of anyone’s salvation today. What we believe is the only test for salvation today! 


Most people think salvation is the end result, salvation is the starting point. The issue of salvation is understanding the reconciliation where our sin is concerned, do we understand that God is reconciled where all sin is concerned for all time. 


The price was paid for all and through that payment, Jesus Christ redeemed the entire human race from the sin barrier that separated the world from God. The sin issue needs to be resolved in our minds, not in Gods.

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The price was paid for all and through that payment, Jesus Christ redeemed the entire human race from the sin barrier that separated the world from God. The sin issue needs to be resolved in our minds, not in Gods.

There's a simple fact that you and some others need to grasp.

Jesus may be a path to salvation, but he's not the only one.

Unless and until you accept that simple truth, there will always be a barrier between you and God.

I mean, seriously, all those Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, and other non-Christian adherents throughout history who lived their lives as well as they could, treated their neighbors with respect, tried to be just and fair in their legal and business dealings, and once in a while went out of their way to help strangers in need ... they don't get in because they chose the wrong brand???

If that's really what you are claiming, then congratulations. Contrary to what you think you are accomplishing ... you are the unwitting accomplice of God's greatest adversary.
 

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There's a simple fact that you and some others need to grasp.

Jesus may be a path to salvation, but he's not the only one.

Unless and until you accept that simple truth, there will always be a barrier between you and God.

I mean, seriously, all those Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, and other non-Christian adherents throughout history who lived their lives as well as they could, treated their neighbors with respect, tried to be just and fair in their legal and business dealings, and once in a while went out of their way to help strangers in need ... they don't get in because they chose the wrong brand???

If that's really what you are claiming, then congratulations. Contrary to what you think you are accomplishing ... you are the unwitting accomplice of God's greatest adversary.


What, Jews fair in their business dealings? Muslims treating their neighbors with respect?






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There's a simple fact that you and some others need to grasp.

Jesus may be a path to salvation, but he's not the only one.

Unless and until you accept that simple truth, there will always be a barrier between you and God.

I mean, seriously, all those Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, and other non-Christian adherents throughout history who lived their lives as well as they could, treated their neighbors with respect, tried to be just and fair in their legal and business dealings, and once in a while went out of their way to help strangers in need ... they don't get in because they chose the wrong brand???

If that's really what you are claiming, then congratulations. Contrary to what you think you are accomplishing ... you are the unwitting accomplice of God's greatest adversary.
Yeah, but that's their strongest marketing angle.

Join our team (and give us money) or spend enternity in a lake of fire getting poked in the ass by demons.

If there are many paths to salvation, people aren't obligated to pick their path.
 

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Join our team (and give us money) or spend eternity in a lake of fire getting poked in the ass by demons.

When I lived in San Francisco, I heard there were clubs in town where you could pay for that "service" if you so desired.

I guess the appropriate emoticon, if it existed, would be a blend of :hump: and :fire:?

:shrug:
 

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Yeah, but that's their strongest marketing angle.

Join our team (and give us money) or spend enternity in a lake of fire getting poked in the ass by demons.

I don't agree with that at all. Maybe two or the hundred years ago, but not now.

I mean, it's a compelling argument if you think about it, but people nowadays don't buy into it very much. Plus, scaring people into heaven isn't really what God wants.
 

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I don't agree with that at all. Maybe two or the hundred years ago, but not now.

I mean, it's a compelling argument if you think about it, but people nowadays don't buy into it very much. Plus, scaring people into heaven isn't really what God wants.

I've been to church meetings where this was the exact focus. 'We need to scare the youth more. More fire and brimstone!'
 
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