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Chaos everywhere.

I realize that things have slipped too far here. And actions are being taken.

I50 was temporarily banned a few days ago, and based on the nasty message he sent me, if he comes back, he will likely earn a longer banning.

I recognize and appreciate the problems. And the posters causing them. I traveled for a wedding this weekend, got home after the game was over, and allowed myself the time to watch it before logging in here.

I've been very aggressive this evening in moving posts out of the game thread and the Mac Jones thread. Issues will continue to be addressed until we have a more harmonious environment. A more healthy community.

I have asked a member to become a new moderator. Sent the message 1 minute ago. It's a thankless job and he might refuse and I wouldn't blame him.

What you can do

Don't troll.

Don't feed the trolls.

Don't be nasty.

Differing viewpoints are encouraged. Personal attacks, thread derailing, and etc are not.

Don't use this thread to pile on. I know what issues everyone has with others. It doesn't need to be said over and over.

Give me an opportunity to swing us back in a more positive direction. It will take time and patience.

Thank you.
 

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Chaos everywhere.

I realize that things have slipped too far here. And actions are being taken.

I50 was temporarily banned a few days ago, and based on the nasty message he sent me, if he comes back, he will likely earn a longer banning.

I recognize and appreciate the problems. And the posters causing them. I traveled for a wedding this weekend, got home after the game was over, and allowed myself the time to watch it before logging in here.

I've been very aggressive this evening in moving posts out of the game thread and the Mac Jones thread. Issues will continue to be addressed until we have a more harmonious environment. A more healthy community.

I have asked a member to become a new moderator. Sent the message 1 minute ago. It's a thankless job and he might refuse and I wouldn't blame him.

What you can do

Don't troll.

Don't feed the trolls.

Don't be nasty.

Differing viewpoints are encouraged. Personal attacks, thread derailing, and etc are not.

Don't use this thread to pile on. I know what issues everyone has with others. It doesn't need to be said over and over.

Give me an opportunity to swing us back in a more positive direction. It will take time and patience.

Thank you.
Sorry but thank you!

~Dee~
 

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I appreciate all the work you do, UT. I truly wish you'd post more football stuff yourself.

In a way, I admire your patience and willingness to let people be who they are, but this is the internet in 2021. Self-policing works only if everyone WANTS it to work. And it only takes one determined person to make it not work. As I said, I admire your patience and willingness to let people be who they are, but very few of us are that kind and generous. We might hold back for quite a while, but when most people get jabbed repeatedly evenually they jab back, and when they see a forum they love turning to shit, they will fight to right the ship.

That I believe is what is happening. I will take responsibility for all the unpleasant posts I made, but I am not sorry I made them. I don't like what is happening and I don't see our leader taking action to make things better. Talking isn't doing it. Temporarily banning people from threads isn't doing it. Removing problem posts from a thread without consequences to problem poster only makes more work for you without fixing, or even addressing, the problem. You don't need to add more moderators. You just need to moderate the system you already have.

We aren't stupid. We know the difference between teasing and provoking. I promise to do my best but would like a little help from the upper echelon here.

Failing that, forums are self policing. What you are seeing is self policing at work.

 
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Chaos everywhere.

I realize that things have slipped too far here. And actions are being taken.

I50 was temporarily banned a few days ago, and based on the nasty message he sent me, if he comes back, he will likely earn a longer banning.

I recognize and appreciate the problems. And the posters causing them. I traveled for a wedding this weekend, got home after the game was over, and allowed myself the time to watch it before logging in here.

I've been very aggressive this evening in moving posts out of the game thread and the Mac Jones thread. Issues will continue to be addressed until we have a more harmonious environment. A more healthy community.

I have asked a member to become a new moderator. Sent the message 1 minute ago. It's a thankless job and he might refuse and I wouldn't blame him.

What you can do

Don't troll.

Don't feed the trolls.

Don't be nasty.

Differing viewpoints are encouraged. Personal attacks, thread derailing, and etc are not.

Don't use this thread to pile on. I know what issues everyone has with others. It doesn't need to be said over and over.

Give me an opportunity to swing us back in a more positive direction. It will take time and patience.

Thank you.
I just looked, I never got the message. You might have to send it again.....

;)
 

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Chaos everywhere.

I realize that things have slipped too far here. And actions are being taken.

I50 was temporarily banned a few days ago, and based on the nasty message he sent me, if he comes back, he will likely earn a longer banning.

I recognize and appreciate the problems. And the posters causing them. I traveled for a wedding this weekend, got home after the game was over, and allowed myself the time to watch it before logging in here.

I've been very aggressive this evening in moving posts out of the game thread and the Mac Jones thread. Issues will continue to be addressed until we have a more harmonious environment. A more healthy community.

I have asked a member to become a new moderator. Sent the message 1 minute ago. It's a thankless job and he might refuse and I wouldn't blame him.

What you can do

Don't troll.

Don't feed the trolls.

Don't be nasty.

Differing viewpoints are encouraged. Personal attacks, thread derailing, and etc are not.

Don't use this thread to pile on. I know what issues everyone has with others. It doesn't need to be said over and over.

Give me an opportunity to swing us back in a more positive direction. It will take time and patience.

Thank you.
Thanks again for all the time and care you provide us. I hope to improve.

Cheers
 

patswin

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I truly don't think people pay much attention to UT's efforts to keep things positive here. Everyone should read his post regarding OrangeMane closing down, due to many of the same types of posts that take place here.
There are some posters who just are determined to burn this place down, and once it's gone, it's gone.
 

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I truly don't think people pay much attention to UT's efforts to keep things positive here. Everyone should read his post regarding OrangeMane closing down, due to many of the same types of posts that take place here.
There are some posters who just are determined to burn this place down, and once it's gone, it's gone.
Not sure what you mean by the last sentence. If it is that people objecting to trolling are trying to burn down the forum and they want only sunshine and rainbows, I disagree. I don't think anyone is looking for only positive posts. There is plenty of disagreement here done in a respectful way, things which we pretty much all agree on (stop putting Joejuan Williams on the field) and disagreements where there are two opposing thoughts (let Mac Jones loose vs bring him along the way they are) that are handled as a discussion, not a provocation.

This place has worked with respectful disagreement for years without ridicule and insulting people (well, not Middie), but the last two years with Mazz have been horrible.

I know about the Orange Mane and another fan forum (forget which at the moment) and I don't want that either. I don't think that is what UT or the membership here is looking for, and I agree 100% with you that going Orange Mane will destroy everything.

Like porn, I cannot provide a definition of trolling that fits all cases, but I know attempting to create chaos and rancor when I see it.
 

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Not sure what you mean by the last sentence. If it is that people objecting to trolling are trying to burn down the forum and they want only sunshine and rainbows, I disagree. I don't think anyone is looking for only positive posts. There is plenty of disagreement here done in a respectful way, things which we pretty much all agree on (stop putting Joejuan Williams on the field) and disagreements where there are two opposing thoughts (let Mac Jones loose vs bring him along the way they are) that are handled as a discussion, not a provocation.

This place has worked with respectful disagreement for years without ridicule and insulting people (well, not Middie), but the last two years with Mazz

Like porn, I cannot provide a definition of trolling that fits all cases, but I know attempting to create chaos and rancor when I see it.
Sweet analogy :toast:

 

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Chaos everywhere.

I realize that things have slipped too far here. And actions are being taken.

I50 was temporarily banned a few days ago, and based on the nasty message he sent me, if he comes back, he will likely earn a longer banning.

I recognize and appreciate the problems. And the posters causing them. I traveled for a wedding this weekend, got home after the game was over, and allowed myself the time to watch it before logging in here.

I've been very aggressive this evening in moving posts out of the game thread and the Mac Jones thread. Issues will continue to be addressed until we have a more harmonious environment. A more healthy community.

I have asked a member to become a new moderator. Sent the message 1 minute ago. It's a thankless job and he might refuse and I wouldn't blame him.

What you can do

Don't troll.

Don't feed the trolls.

Don't be nasty.

Differing viewpoints are encouraged. Personal attacks, thread derailing, and etc are not.

Don't use this thread to pile on. I know what issues everyone has with others. It doesn't need to be said over and over.

Give me an opportunity to swing us back in a more positive direction. It will take time and patience.

Thank you.
It's not easy what you are doing, I commend you for the effort though. It will get better.
 

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Not sure what you mean by the last sentence. If it is that people objecting to trolling are trying to burn down the forum and they want only sunshine and rainbows, I disagree. I don't think anyone is looking for only positive posts. There is plenty of disagreement here done in a respectful way, things which we pretty much all agree on (stop putting Joejuan Williams on the field) and disagreements where there are two opposing thoughts (let Mac Jones loose vs bring him along the way they are) that are handled as a discussion, not a provocation.

This place has worked with respectful disagreement for years without ridicule and insulting people (well, not Middie), but the last two years with Mazz have been horrible.

I know about the Orange Mane and another fan forum (forget which at the moment) and I don't want that either. I don't think that is what UT or the membership here is looking for, and I agree 100% with you that going Orange Mane will destroy everything.

Like porn, I cannot provide a definition of trolling that fits all cases, but I know attempting to create chaos and rancor when I see it.

Not to speak on behalf of someone else, but since she toes the line and doesn't insult or flame, and more or less acts like a generally rule abiding poster (aside from the same tired topic being brought up time and time again no matter the thread) I would think it's very difficult to moderate other than moving posts.

She is a clever troll, because without a keen eye it just seems like she has an obsession. But through time most of the veteran posters can see between the lines, and see how she loves to ignite a fire and act like she has no idea what happened.

In this case I guess all I'm saying is that since she isn't technically breaking many egregious rules it's very difficult to police it. It puts the mods in a tough situation where it might seem like over-modding because she gets on peoples' nerves.

The solution, as was thought, was the Brady Planet, but clearly that hasn't quenched that thirst, so I'm at a loss to what would be the next step.

All in all, I comment UT for the way he's been trying to find solutions without ruling with an iron fist, which can cause more problems I would think.
 

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The end of free speech is drawing very near...if you have to wiggle around and avoid certain topics, phrases, groups, and "FUCTcheckers". :coffee:
 
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The end of free speech is drawing very near...if you have to wiggle around and avoid certain topics, phrases, groups, and "FUCTcheckers". :coffee:
Free speech does not apply here and never has. But please don't try and turn the thread political.
 
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I will try to give longer replies to others later. Thank you all.
 

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Thanks for all you do to maintain this place UT. :thumb:
 

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Absolutely UT. I truly appreciate your time and effort to have a community for Pats fans, and others. I try to remain in the rules of the board as much as possible.
 
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