The 2020 General Election

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I disagree a great deal with quite a few things he pushed but his handling of CV is NOT one of them.
I disagree with a great deal as well and COVID absolutely is one of them for me.

Many agree with me as I believe most/all of the exit polls said that the reason they were voting for Biden was coronavirus handling being the principle reason.
 

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Besides his talk about it early on, what do you think Trump should've done that is within his power? Biden already said he won't lock down or mask mandate nationwide (since those are not in a POTUS' executive powers). Instead, it will be on the states/local authorities to do so. So what actions should he have done to help with Covid?
 

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Besides his talk about it early on, what do you think Trump should've done that is within his power? Biden already said he won't lock down or mask mandate nationwide (since those are not in a POTUS' executive powers). Instead, it will be on the states/local authorities to do so. So what actions should he have done to help with Covid?
To me, and I mean....really in my opinion....when this all started he should have stood in front of the country and said, hey this is real, this is bad, and we must all come together as a nation and fight this. We need to
stop the spread as much as we can, we need people to be safe, wear a mask, social distance. We need to keep people safe......what he did? Eh, it will be gone by april dont worry, its nothing, and then followed up with. China did this and that, etc etc. He made people early on not take it serious, and that was the time to take it the most serious. You know, be a leader not a buffoon.
 

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I disagree with a great deal as well and COVID absolutely is one of them for me.

Many agree with me as I believe most/all of the exit polls said that the reason they were voting for Biden was coronavirus handling being the principle reason.
Yes that was one of the big ones of why people voted the way they did. The States that voted trump were some of the hardest hit states....you can guess why.
 

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Says the liar that told this board for years that he had a PhD from Harvard when he had no such thing. :coffee:

I have no such thing?
Oh really?
Funny, my Tufts MA diploma and my Harvard PhD diploma are hanging in my office.
And you’d know how, exactly?
What a stalker you are. Scary.


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Well there’s a mask mandate and then there’s NOT mocking masks and making fun of people that wear them. Having a leader in charge that doesn’t do that would potentially go a long way toward encouraging everyone to wear masks. And while there would not be a federal mask mandate he would encourage all governors to implement mask mandates.

There’s also the fact that we’ll have grown-ups in charge again so we’re not cutting the CDC out out of spite. Putting them back in should augment our data tracking so both us and the COVID-19 task force are more informed. A more informed CDC can provide us with better guidance so that our response isn’t so late reactive, where there isn’t a lax in restrictions, a two week lag, and then an explosion of cases like we’re seeing now.

Pouring more money into rapid response testing so that we don’t have people getting tested and then waiting for their results. Getting tested, getting your results and then knowing to quarantine will help stop the spread.

There’s an additional stimulus deal that’s been punted on until the next administration. Mr Art of the Deal was too incompetent to get another deal done, let’s give the new guy a chance on that one.

Thats just moving forward. And yes, glossing over the beginning is where I take issue in that the initial incompetent/dishonest response is singularly disqualifying for re-election, IMO.
 

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I have no such thing?
Oh really?
Funny, my Tufts MA diploma and my Harvard PhD diploma are hanging in my office.
And you’d know how, exactly?
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I don’t particularly care but you keep bringing up my presence on this board when I’ve explained to you multiple times why I left and why I returned. You stop doing that and I’ll stop laughing at your fictitious Harvard PhD.

Theres no stalking involved. There’s people on here that I guess you’ve either met or shared your social media with. You had a falling out with at least one of them and they noticed that you had, ahem, exaggerated your qualifications.

Most people stop the whole lying about who they are in real life on the internet when they turn like 13 or something.
 

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He admitted he didn't announce what he knew when he knew it about Covid-19 because he didn't want to create panic. I don't want any president deciding for me that I am probably unable to handle very serious, possibly life-threatening news.

Talk about living in a nanny state.
 

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He admitted he didn't announce what he knew when he knew it about Covid-19 because he didn't want to create panic. I don't want any president deciding for me that I am probably unable to handle very serious, possibly life-threatening news.

Talk about living in a nanny state.
That was a BS excuse. Oh I do not want to tell people that something is serious that could save their life because it might scare them. What?
 

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I don’t particularly care but you keep bringing up my presence on this board when I’ve explained to you multiple times why I left and why I returned. You stop doing that and I’ll stop laughing at your fictitious Harvard PhD.

Theres no stalking involved. There’s people on here that I guess you’ve either met or shared your social media with. You had a falling out with at least one of them and they noticed that you had, ahem, exaggerated your qualifications.

Most people stop the whole lying about who they are in real life on the internet when they turn like 13 or something.

It’d be funnier if it was indeed fictions. Considering I’ve had it for 8 years now.
And guess what, it’s not listed on my social media account.

But I’m fine with letting bygones be bygones.

Kinda wish Jaric and PFL would return.
Tmack too.


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It’d be funnier if it was indeed fictions. Considering I’ve had it for 8 years now.
And guess what, it’s not listed on my social media account.

But I’m fine with letting bygones be bygones.

Kinda wish Jaric and PFL would return.
Tmack too.


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Like I said, I don’t particularly care about the details.

If you’ll actually let bygones be bygones it’s the last you’ll hear about it from me. I actually seem to recall you and I ended on good terms before I departed.

The even funnier thing is that I was going to be complimentary of you given that I’d noticed you hadn’t taken to following Trump blindly like so many others have. It’s absolutely possible to disagree with liberals while being principled. It ISNT possible to follow Trump blindly and be principled. Good on you for proving that.

I’d like to think that if the shoe were on the other foot and the Dem’s adopted such a blowhard embarrassment that I’d be one of the few from the left that wouldn’t follow him. I’m under NO delusion that the Dems are so virtuous that this couldn’t happen. Trump was a Dem for a period of time and no one said boo. The few times early in his presidency where he caved to the Dems, Schumer/Pelosi practically knocked each other over to bear-hug him. The majority on either side are sheep. Like I said, I certainly do hope that if/when that happens that I’ll have more principle than that.
 

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To me, and I mean....really in my opinion....when this all started he should have stood in front of the country and said, hey this is real, this is bad, and we must all come together as a nation and fight this. We need to
stop the spread as much as we can, we need people to be safe, wear a mask, social distance. We need to keep people safe......what he did? Eh, it will be gone by april dont worry, its nothing, and then followed up with. China did this and that, etc etc. He made people early on not take it serious, and that was the time to take it the most serious. You know, be a leader not a buffoon.

There is nothing that is actually an action that would've slowed or stopped the spread. People still don't wear masks even with a mandate at times. I have only seen a few locally when I've grocery shopped. I personally don't know if anything would've stopped the spread of covid short of martial law keeping people in their homes. They are still finding out things about the virus, 9 months into it. Mask wise, I still believe if you are not having any symptoms at all, you cannot spread anything. You have to be actually sick to spread it. I also think since there is not standard when it comes ot mask protections and they say a t shirt protects you, it doesn't. Of course being married to a nurse, I learned all about the different kind of masks this year. The only mask that truly protects you and everyone else is an N95. I don't even think a covid vaccine will do a lot of good in stopping the spread. Might do some to stop hospitalizations and some deaths.
 

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There is nothing that is actually an action that would've slowed or stopped the spread. People still don't wear masks even with a mandate at times. I have only seen a few locally when I've grocery shopped. I personally don't know if anything would've stopped the spread of covid short of martial law keeping people in their homes. They are still finding out things about the virus, 9 months into it. Mask wise, I still believe if you are not having any symptoms at all, you cannot spread anything. You have to be actually sick to spread it. I also think since there is not standard when it comes ot mask protections and they say a t shirt protects you, it doesn't. Of course being married to a nurse, I learned all about the different kind of masks this year. The only mask that truly protects you and everyone else is an N95. I don't even think a covid vaccine will do a lot of good in stopping the spread. Might do some to stop hospitalizations and some deaths.

I'm not sure even martial law would have stopped it.
 

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There is nothing that is actually an action that would've slowed or stopped the spread. People still don't wear masks even with a mandate at times. I have only seen a few locally when I've grocery shopped. I personally don't know if anything would've stopped the spread of covid short of martial law keeping people in their homes. They are still finding out things about the virus, 9 months into it. Mask wise, I still believe if you are not having any symptoms at all, you cannot spread anything. You have to be actually sick to spread it. I also think since there is not standard when it comes ot mask protections and they say a t shirt protects you, it doesn't. Of course being married to a nurse, I learned all about the different kind of masks this year. The only mask that truly protects you and everyone else is an N95. I don't even think a covid vaccine will do a lot of good in stopping the spread. Might do some to stop hospitalizations and some deaths.
A lot of people are first hear and do. A lot of people took his disregard of it and moved on and did not take it serious. They believed that it was a hoax and some believed it was a hoax up until they died from it. So yeah a lot could have been done, if nothing more than be a damn leader, and tell people what is actually going on. The problem is, he didnt even know and disregarded people that told him. He disregarded scientists and doctors and made a joke of it. I didnt say stop it, just warn people of how serious it is. He didnt, and by the time he got around to actually giving a shit, it had already done the damage. It was one of the worst things I have ever seen a leader do. People to this day still echo his remarks when
he first spoke of it. As I said before its not coincidence that the hardest hit states for covid are the ones that voted for him. Don't tell me what works and do not work, I go by doctors and science tells me. The fact that the entire WH has covid is very telling. His rallies with groups of people all huddled together not wearing masks were flat out a disgrace. Making fun of people trying to protect themselves was worse, that is not leadership.
 

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Like I said, I don’t particularly care about the details.

If you’ll actually let bygones be bygones it’s the last you’ll hear about it from me. I actually seem to recall you and I ended on good terms before I departed.

The even funnier thing is that I was going to be complimentary of you given that I’d noticed you hadn’t taken to following Trump blindly like so many others have. It’s absolutely possible to disagree with liberals while being principled. It ISNT possible to follow Trump blindly and be principled. Good on you for proving that.

I’d like to think that if the shoe were on the other foot and the Dem’s adopted such a blowhard embarrassment that I’d be one of the few from the left that wouldn’t follow him. I’m under NO delusion that the Dems are so virtuous that this couldn’t happen. Trump was a Dem for a period of time and no one said boo. The few times early in his presidency where he caved to the Dems, Schumer/Pelosi practically knocked each other over to bear-hug him. The majority on either side are sheep. Like I said, I certainly do hope that if/when that happens that I’ll have more principle than that.

My apologies then. You and I always HAVE gotten along well; I think that I’m just a bit miffed that it seems like everyone waited until a Biden victory was apparent before returning. But you’re right; UT fixing the board helped many to return.

I loathe Trump. If you look back over the past year or two, you’d see that I rip him more than anyone on the right.
I do worry about a Biden presidency , but I hope that damage will be limited by the SCOTUS and the Senate.
If he does what he promised in terms of going with a bipartisan approach, that’s as much as I could ask for a D POTUS.


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Hi, Here's all the proof I need to know that it was a rigged election :coffee:

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/...on-was-stolen/

Vegas Oddsmaker Says, “The Fix Was In, Trump Was Robbed, This Election Was Stolen”​

by Wayne Root

I’ve been a Las Vegas oddsmaker and sports gaming expert for four decades- long before I became known as a nationally syndicated conservative talk show host.

I understand odds and gambling in a way that no other conservative media personality, host, or politician in this country could.

And I can tell you something is very wrong with this presidential election. It reminds me of a fixed football game. Remember the famous fixed 1978 game between the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles. The Giants quarterback handed the ball off. The running back didn’t want it. It fell on the ground. Herm Edwards of the Eagles picked it up and ran it into the end zone with seconds left for a last second victory. Every bettor in the world knows that game was fixed. It doesn’t matter if you can prove it. We all know.

Gamblers feel the same way about this presidential election. This presidential election is rancid. It feels as fixed as that Giants-Eagles NFL football game. Let me give you the details of this election- from a gambler’s perspective.

Trump entered the night a 2 to 1 underdog. As soon as the polls started to close and the picture became clear, Trump’s odds quickly moved to even money. Then Trump became the slight favorite. Then a moderate favorite. Then a 2-to-1 favorite.

Then 3 to 1. 4 to 1. 5 to 1. 6 to 1. 7 to 1. Finally, Trump moved to 8 to 1 favorite.

What does all this mean? Bettors putting their money on the line during Election Night have always proven to be deadly accurate. Smart bettors can clearly see what direction a race is taking. Bettors around the world clearly saw what I saw, when they stared at the electoral map- Trump was headed for an electoral landslide.

But something wasn’t quite right. Fox News wouldn’t call Florida for Trump- even though he was ahead by a mile. They wouldn’t call Ohio- even though Trump was ahead by a mile, They wouldn’t call Texas- even though Trump was ahead by a mile. I sat there screaming at my television.

More strange calls. Fox News had called Virginia for Biden at the start of the night- with Trump well ahead in Virginia. Trump would remain ahead in Virginia for three long hours after Fox awarded the electoral votes to Biden. Why would they do that? What was the rush? It made no sense.

Biden was awarded Virginia with Trump ahead. But Trump was ahead by a mile in Florida, Ohio and Texas, yet Fox News refused to award him the electoral votes. I knew at that moment, something was wrong. Something smelled fishy. Something was rotten in the DC Swamp.

Bettors witnessed Trump dominating. He clearly won not only those key states of Florida, Ohio and Texas, but Trump also enjoyed large leads in the entire Midwest- Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa. It was all but over. Trump had an electoral landslide. Hence the massive 8 to 1 odds in favor of Trump.

And then it happened. It was the most bizarre call in Election Night history. Fox News called Arizona for Biden. Why? It wasn’t even close to over. There was no reason on earth to make that call. Arizona is STILL not over 8 days later. CNN still hasn’t awarded Arizona. ABC pulled it back from Biden only 24 hours ago.

Why would Fox News be in such a rush to call Arizona for Biden? At that moment, Trump’s odds crashed almost instantly from 8 to 1, back down to 2 to 1. That drop set off alarm bells. My friend who is one of the biggest bookmakers in the country called me to say, “Wayne, something is wrong. I’ve never seen a drop like that, let alone a drop that fast. How can Trump go from 8 to 1, to 2 to 1. Someone knows something. We’ve got a problem.”
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/trumps-legal-team-press-conference-synopsis/
It was as if someone had decided in advance to give Arizona to Biden- whether he won it, or not. It was as if the secret code was known to only a few billionaire gamblers, “Fox News awards Arizona to Biden.” Six magic words. Someone was ready for that call. Someone waited until Trump was a prohibitive 8 to 1 favorite, then knew to bet millions of dollars on Biden at the longest odds of the night. Someone knew the fix was in. Someone made a fortune.

There’s more to the story. First, by awarding both Virginia and Arizona to Biden way too early in the evening and also going super slow awarding states to Trump where he led by a mile, Fox News made sure Biden had the electoral lead all night. That’s another big part of the story.

Just like the fake pollsters suppressed Trump voters for months in advance of the election with polls falsely showing Trump losing by a landslide, fake “news desk” employees sure appeared to be suppressing Trump votes on Election Night. And also creating an air of invincibility for Biden. If Biden led in every poll before the election, and led all night in electoral votes, then it wouldn’t look like a fix was in, when Biden suddenly wound up the winner the morning after. Right?

One more piece of the puzzle. From almost the moment that secret code “Fox News awards Arizona to Biden” was spoken, three key Midwest battleground states with Democrat Governors all decided to stop counting votes for the night, with Trump way ahead. Why? Why all three, at the same time? Like they were coordinated in advance. Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania all mysteriously quit counting around midnight.

To add to the idea of a fix, these states merely claimed they were stopping counting for the night. After TV cameras and Republican poll watchers were all sent home, these Democrat states all resumed counting, suddenly finding all the ballots they needed to overcome large Trump leads.

I actually took screen shots before I went to bed. Trump was winning Michigan by over 300,000 votes when they stopped counting. He was up in Wisconsin by over 100,000. In Pennsylvania he was up almost 700,000 votes. But in the wee hours of the morning I took a new screenshot. Suddenly Biden was up by 9,000 in Wisconsin and 30,000 in Michigan. How’d that happen? I thought they stopped counting?

It all started with that bizarre Arizona call by Fox News.

Folks, someone knew. The fix was in. A few key people made millions betting on this election. They knew the exact minute to jump in. They knew exactly when a Trump landslide would turn to a Biden victory, with the help of a fake TV network call and fake ballots.

They knew Arizona was going to be called way too early. They knew that fake Arizona call would trigger vote counting to stop and massive ballot fraud to begin.

I don’t know what the Supreme Court will decide. But bettors all over the world know in our guts exactly what happened. The fix was in, no different than that famous NY Giants-Philadelphia Eagle fix in 1978 at the Meadowlands.

Trump was robbed. This election was stolen.
 

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A lot of people are first hear and do. A lot of people took his disregard of it and moved on and did not take it serious. They believed that it was a hoax and some believed it was a hoax up until they died from it. So yeah a lot could have been done, if nothing more than be a damn leader, and tell people what is actually going on. The problem is, he didnt even know and disregarded people that told him. He disregarded scientists and doctors and made a joke of it.

Sadly, that’s been Trump’s MO since day 1, and what I’ve criticized him most for; he’s as unPresidential as anyone, and does nothing to unite the country.
Some R’s look at that as a good thing; as an American, I certainly don’t.


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