The 2020 General Election

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My apologies then. You and I always HAVE gotten along well; I think that I’m just a bit miffed that it seems like everyone waited until a Biden victory was apparent before returning. But you’re right; UT fixing the board helped many to return.

I loathe Trump. If you look back over the past year or two, you’d see that I rip him more than anyone on the right.
I do worry about a Biden presidency , but I hope that damage will be limited by the SCOTUS and the Senate.
If he does what he promised in terms of going with a bipartisan approach, that’s as much as I could ask for a D POTUS.


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And my apologies as well.

I think we’re in for mostly partisan gridlock for four years in terms of any major legislation and I’m not really seeing any opportunity at all for the Dems to make their move on the Supreme Court.

I am hopeful for the debt/deficit as we seem to see under Republican Congress/Dem president (granted, we do still have a narrow Dem margin in the House but I bet that gets washed right away in the 2022 midterms). Still, Clinton with the R Congress was the last to balance the budget and we saw Obama get the deficit down to around $500b in his final years if memory serves with a Republican Congress (which Trump promptly jacked right up and got us to $1T BEFORE the pandemic). If history repeats itself yet again and we get some fiscal restraint then you and I might actually agree on a policy achievement for once!
 
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Hi, Here's all the proof I need to know that it was a rigged election :coffee:

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/...on-was-stolen/

Vegas Oddsmaker Says, “The Fix Was In, Trump Was Robbed, This Election Was Stolen”​

by Wayne Root

I’ve been a Las Vegas oddsmaker and sports gaming expert for four decades- long before I became known as a nationally syndicated conservative talk show host.

I understand odds and gambling in a way that no other conservative media personality, host, or politician in this country could.

And I can tell you something is very wrong with this presidential election. It reminds me of a fixed football game. Remember the famous fixed 1978 game between the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles. The Giants quarterback handed the ball off. The running back didn’t want it. It fell on the ground. Herm Edwards of the Eagles picked it up and ran it into the end zone with seconds left for a last second victory. Every bettor in the world knows that game was fixed. It doesn’t matter if you can prove it. We all know.

Gamblers feel the same way about this presidential election. This presidential election is rancid. It feels as fixed as that Giants-Eagles NFL football game. Let me give you the details of this election- from a gambler’s perspective.

Trump entered the night a 2 to 1 underdog. As soon as the polls started to close and the picture became clear, Trump’s odds quickly moved to even money. Then Trump became the slight favorite. Then a moderate favorite. Then a 2-to-1 favorite.

Then 3 to 1. 4 to 1. 5 to 1. 6 to 1. 7 to 1. Finally, Trump moved to 8 to 1 favorite.

What does all this mean? Bettors putting their money on the line during Election Night have always proven to be deadly accurate. Smart bettors can clearly see what direction a race is taking. Bettors around the world clearly saw what I saw, when they stared at the electoral map- Trump was headed for an electoral landslide.

But something wasn’t quite right. Fox News wouldn’t call Florida for Trump- even though he was ahead by a mile. They wouldn’t call Ohio- even though Trump was ahead by a mile, They wouldn’t call Texas- even though Trump was ahead by a mile. I sat there screaming at my television.

More strange calls. Fox News had called Virginia for Biden at the start of the night- with Trump well ahead in Virginia. Trump would remain ahead in Virginia for three long hours after Fox awarded the electoral votes to Biden. Why would they do that? What was the rush? It made no sense.

Biden was awarded Virginia with Trump ahead. But Trump was ahead by a mile in Florida, Ohio and Texas, yet Fox News refused to award him the electoral votes. I knew at that moment, something was wrong. Something smelled fishy. Something was rotten in the DC Swamp.

Bettors witnessed Trump dominating. He clearly won not only those key states of Florida, Ohio and Texas, but Trump also enjoyed large leads in the entire Midwest- Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa. It was all but over. Trump had an electoral landslide. Hence the massive 8 to 1 odds in favor of Trump.

And then it happened. It was the most bizarre call in Election Night history. Fox News called Arizona for Biden. Why? It wasn’t even close to over. There was no reason on earth to make that call. Arizona is STILL not over 8 days later. CNN still hasn’t awarded Arizona. ABC pulled it back from Biden only 24 hours ago.

Why would Fox News be in such a rush to call Arizona for Biden? At that moment, Trump’s odds crashed almost instantly from 8 to 1, back down to 2 to 1. That drop set off alarm bells. My friend who is one of the biggest bookmakers in the country called me to say, “Wayne, something is wrong. I’ve never seen a drop like that, let alone a drop that fast. How can Trump go from 8 to 1, to 2 to 1. Someone knows something. We’ve got a problem.”
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It was as if someone had decided in advance to give Arizona to Biden- whether he won it, or not. It was as if the secret code was known to only a few billionaire gamblers, “Fox News awards Arizona to Biden.” Six magic words. Someone was ready for that call. Someone waited until Trump was a prohibitive 8 to 1 favorite, then knew to bet millions of dollars on Biden at the longest odds of the night. Someone knew the fix was in. Someone made a fortune.

There’s more to the story. First, by awarding both Virginia and Arizona to Biden way too early in the evening and also going super slow awarding states to Trump where he led by a mile, Fox News made sure Biden had the electoral lead all night. That’s another big part of the story.

Just like the fake pollsters suppressed Trump voters for months in advance of the election with polls falsely showing Trump losing by a landslide, fake “news desk” employees sure appeared to be suppressing Trump votes on Election Night. And also creating an air of invincibility for Biden. If Biden led in every poll before the election, and led all night in electoral votes, then it wouldn’t look like a fix was in, when Biden suddenly wound up the winner the morning after. Right?

One more piece of the puzzle. From almost the moment that secret code “Fox News awards Arizona to Biden” was spoken, three key Midwest battleground states with Democrat Governors all decided to stop counting votes for the night, with Trump way ahead. Why? Why all three, at the same time? Like they were coordinated in advance. Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania all mysteriously quit counting around midnight.

To add to the idea of a fix, these states merely claimed they were stopping counting for the night. After TV cameras and Republican poll watchers were all sent home, these Democrat states all resumed counting, suddenly finding all the ballots they needed to overcome large Trump leads.

I actually took screen shots before I went to bed. Trump was winning Michigan by over 300,000 votes when they stopped counting. He was up in Wisconsin by over 100,000. In Pennsylvania he was up almost 700,000 votes. But in the wee hours of the morning I took a new screenshot. Suddenly Biden was up by 9,000 in Wisconsin and 30,000 in Michigan. How’d that happen? I thought they stopped counting?

It all started with that bizarre Arizona call by Fox News.

Folks, someone knew. The fix was in. A few key people made millions betting on this election. They knew the exact minute to jump in. They knew exactly when a Trump landslide would turn to a Biden victory, with the help of a fake TV network call and fake ballots.

They knew Arizona was going to be called way too early. They knew that fake Arizona call would trigger vote counting to stop and massive ballot fraud to begin.

I don’t know what the Supreme Court will decide. But bettors all over the world know in our guts exactly what happened. The fix was in, no different than that famous NY Giants-Philadelphia Eagle fix in 1978 at the Meadowlands.

Trump was robbed. This election was stolen.
Yeah except you know....reality, and laws, and things like that.
 

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Sadly, that’s been Trump’s MO since day 1, and what I’ve criticized him most for; he’s as unPresidential as anyone, and does nothing to unite the country.
Some R’s look at that as a good thing; as an American, I certainly don’t.


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I actually flinched when I saw you replied to what I said. lol. Thank you I agree. I was very upset by his complete disregard to what was happening and people tend to listen to the President and if he is not taking it
serious, others will not as well. That was so immature and dangerous to do what. I hate using that dog whistle phrase, but he does that a lot to his followers.
 

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Sadly, that’s been Trump’s MO since day 1, and what I’ve criticized him most for; he’s as unPresidential as anyone, and does nothing to unite the country.
Some R’s look at that as a good thing; as an American, I certainly don’t.


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I have taken Trump to task on a number of issues. That said and it's actually different subject, I think, I have absolutely nothing, I have in no way any interest in unifying with the hard left that burned this country ground this country for a year.

The left all at philosophical base share the same shitty collectivist/tribalist/altruist principles, the hard left progressives are just more consistent with it.

They all want an end to the founding principles in this country to usher in an era of socialist utopia of which is not even remotely possible.

Reality exists and she suffers no fools.

They are the most destructive, at the moment, to the American way of life and I have no interest in coming together or anything of the such, there is no common ground. I love my country too much.

Not in love, in anyway with conservatives or most libertarians, although there are some OK one's, either, for a lot of reasons that will become very apparent if their principles start to take hold again.
 
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Don't tell me what works and do not work, I go by doctors and science tells me.
So do you believe covid can live outside in 35 deg temps on library books for 72 hours? because that is what "doctors and science" must be telling the govt agency that controls our library systems in ohio. otherwise why would they do something so illogical?
 

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I have taken Trump to task on a number of issues. That said and it's actually different subject, I think, I have absolutely nothing I have any in no way any interest in unifying with the hard left that burned this country grourned this country for a year.

The left all at philosophical base share the same shitty principles, the hard left progressives are just more consistent with it.

They all want an end to the founding principles in this country to usher in an era of socialist utopia of which is not even remotely possible.

Reality exists and she suffers no fools.

They are the most destructive, at the moment, to the American way of life and I have no interest in coming together or anything of the such, there is no common ground. I love my country too much.

Not in love, in anyway with conservatives or most libertarians, although there are some OK one's, either, for a lot of reasons that will become very apparent if their principles start to take hold again.
Talking in absolutes isn't the way to go here.

I have no interest in unifying with the hard left, nor the hard right. My philosophical base lies in what the Constitution says it is, no more, no less. I don't expect government to heal society's woes; I expect society itself to do that.

If my neighbor is suffering, I try to help them. I don't ask nor care what their political bent is. They need help, and if I am able to contribute to their relief, I will.
 
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Talking in absolutes isn't the way to go here.

I have no interest in unifying with the hard left, nor the hard right. My philosophical base lies in what the Constitution says it is, no more, no less. I don't expect government to heal society's woes; I expect society itself to do that.

If my neighbor is suffering, I try to help them. I don't ask nor care what their political bent is. They need help, and if I am able to contribute to their relief, I will.

So well stated all the while talking in absolutes. :) ❤️
 

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I have taken Trump to task on a number of issues. That said and it's actually different subject, I think, I have absolutely nothing, I have in no way any interest in unifying with the hard left that burned this country ground this country for a year.

The left all at philosophical base share the same shitty collectivist/tibalist/altruist principles, the hard left progressives are just more consistent with it.

They all want an end to the founding principles in this country to usher in an era of socialist utopia of which is not even remotely possible.

Reality exists and she suffers no fools.

They are the most destructive, at the moment, to the American way of life and I have no interest in coming together or anything of the such, there is no common ground. I love my country too much.

Not in love, in anyway with conservatives or most libertarians, although there are some OK one's, either, for a lot of reasons that will become very apparent if their principles start to take hold again.

Unify of course means a variety of things. In no way do I want to see far left liberalism take over the country; where it has it only seems exceptionally ludicrous and dangerous.

However, I do think that POTUS should TRY to rally the country and work through bipartisanship.


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So do you believe covid can live outside in 35 deg temps on library books for 72 hours? because that is what "doctors and science" must be telling the govt agency that controls our library systems in ohio. otherwise why would they do something so illogical?
Many town agencies adapt their own policies, maybe just to avoid confrontations within the building? I have no idea. I'd bet in some areas of the country, sage burning is used to ward off the evil virus ;)
 

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It was a philosophical joke. You said that stating absolutes isn't the way go here and that you stated that as an absolute.

The joke in some philosophical circles someone will state there are no absolutes and the and the answers is often, "Absolutely". :LOL:

It was just a play on that. Sorry. :)
 
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I have no beef with sage burning. :)
Perhaps this is the case. both counties whose libraries i visit have done. i get having all returns having to be done in the outside boxes only. as you rigjtly pointed out, it keeps extra people from coming inside when that's all they needed to do.
but the 72 hours is simply nonsensical. and i know they are doing this because when i drop my books off, it is at least 4-5 days before the return is credited to my account.
Many town agencies adapt their own policies, maybe just to avoid confrontations within the building? I have no idea. I'd bet in some areas of the country, sage burning is used to ward off the evil virus ;)
 

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So do you believe covid can live outside in 35 deg temps on library books for 72 hours? because that is what "doctors and science" must be telling the govt agency that controls our library systems in ohio. otherwise why would they do something so illogical?
I do not know what I believe. I can only base things on my experience. No I do not think the virus hangs out on a gallon of milk, why? Because I have bought gallons of milk and do not have covid. Do i believe that wearing a mask and being socially distanced can help in not getting the virus? Yes, because I wear a mask and I stay socially distanced. I am not going to say every doctor is 100 percent correct, they are learning about this thing as well as everyone else, but they know a hell of a lot more than I do and if I cannot refer to them on health related issues, who can I? I assume they are researching things like everyone else. Its all I really can do, I have to take it serious and I will continue to do so.
 

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It was a philosophical joke. You said that stating absolutes isn't the way go here and that you stated as an absolute.

THe joke in some philosophical circles someone will state there are no absolutes and the and the answers is often, "Absolutely". :LOL:

It was just a play on that. Sorry. :)
You are a nerd. :cool:
 

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I have no beef with sage burning. :)
Perhaps this is the case. both counties whose libraries i visit have done. i get having all returns having to be done in the outside boxes only. as you rigjtly pointed out, it keeps extra people from coming inside when that's all they needed to do.
but the 72 hours is simply nonsensical. and i know they are doing this because when i drop my books off, it is at least 4-5 days before the return is credited to my account.
Maybe they are just lazy librarians? Understaffed? Too busy reading?

Damned if I know.
 

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You are a nerd. :cool:
Did you ever hear the paradox of can God build a rock that even he cannot lift meaning to say if he can do anything, how could he create something that he cannot do. This is not an anti God thing by the way, its a paradox, maybe I should have used a different example.
 

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Did you ever hear the paradox of can God build a rock that even he cannot lift meaning to say if he can do anything, how could he create something that he cannot do. This is not an anti God thing by the way, its a paradox, maybe I should have used a different example.
I thought that was a George Carlin quote, from the 7 words you can't say on television album.
 

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I thought that was a George Carlin quote, from the 7 words you can't say on television album.
lol, no. Its a paradox. Here is the actual idea.
  • If God is able to make a mountain heavier than He is able to lift, then there may be something He is not able to do: He is not able to lift that mountain.
  • If God is not able to make such a mountain, then there is something He is not able to do: He is not able to make that mountain.
If either outcome were considered true, then it is argued that God Almighty is actually not almighty.

Again dont like using God in this, but its the omnipotence paradox. There are others. Basically its a statement that like, despite apparently valid reasoning from true premises, leads to a seemingly self-contradictory or a logically unacceptable conclusion.

and....I probably went to long on this, moving on.
 
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