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I know. That was not going to be the case if we traded up and got one of the top QBs. There was a chance he could have played at some point this season depending on his ability to grasp the offense.

The more I think about it, I really wish we tanked the games to the Jets. Being in the top 10 this year was critical with the amount of QBs available.

Tanking isn't the equivalent of success. If that were the case the Jets/Falcons/Lions/Browns would be world beaters. The Browns have a great collection of talent, but it took them years to pull it together.

There's no guarantee these rookies will pan out, either. In fact looking back at a QB rich draft that was 2011 similar to this one:

Cam went 1st
Jake Locker went 8th
Blaine Gabbert went 10th
Chistian Ponder went 12th

Of those QBs, only Cam fulfilled his potential and looked like a 1st overall pick. The rest were either out of the NFL or in Gabbert's case, he became a career back up.

Then we got Andy Dalton who went in the second round, who had way more success than any of the mentioned QBs. There was Colin Kaepernick, who also had more success than the above mentioned albeit for a short time.

Hell, even Tyrod Taylor who was drafted in the 6th round had a much better career than three of those four 1st rounders. So yeah, picking a QB in the first round doesn't mean they'll pan out.
 

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Tanking isn't the equivalent of success. If that were the case the Jets/Falcons/Lions/Browns would be world beaters. The Browns have a great collection of talent, but it took them years to pull it together.

There's no guarantee these rookies will pan out, either. In fact looking back at a QB rich draft that was 2011 similar to this one:

Cam went 1st
Jake Locker went 8th
Blaine Gabbert went 10th
Chistian Ponder went 12th

Of those QBs, only Cam fulfilled his potential and looked like a 1st overall pick. The rest were either out of the NFL or in Gabbert's case, he became a career back up.

Then we got Andy Dalton who went in the second round, who had way more success than any of the mentioned QBs. There was Colin Kaepernick, who also had more success than the above mentioned albeit for a short time.

Hell, even Tyrod Taylor who was drafted in the 6th round had a much better career than three of those four 1st rounders. So yeah, picking a QB in the first round doesn't mean they'll pan out.
Honestly if we went by value of the spot. A number 1 overall should win you several superbowls. Qb's are just a crap shoot anyway. Some guys just don't get it at the next level and even good ones, can never really reach that next level, and then you have guys like Luck who get drafted and never really win anything.
 

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Tanking isn't the equivalent of success. If that were the case the Jets/Falcons/Lions/Browns would be world beaters. The Browns have a great collection of talent, but it took them years to pull it together.

There's no guarantee these rookies will pan out, either. In fact looking back at a QB rich draft that was 2011 similar to this one:

Cam went 1st
Jake Locker went 8th
Blaine Gabbert went 10th
Chistian Ponder went 12th

Of those QBs, only Cam fulfilled his potential and looked like a 1st overall pick. The rest were either out of the NFL or in Gabbert's case, he became a career back up.

Then we got Andy Dalton who went in the second round, who had way more success than any of the mentioned QBs. There was Colin Kaepernick, who also had more success than the above mentioned albeit for a short time.

Hell, even Tyrod Taylor who was drafted in the 6th round had a much better career than three of those four 1st rounders. So yeah, picking a QB in the first round doesn't mean they'll pan out.
I wasn't saying it was the equivalent of success but it gives you better odds at finding the "next guy." Every draft pick is a crap shoot but the scouts, Bill, the coaches are all paid to make these decisions with the QB being the most critical of all. The chances of this rebuild being a long one vs a short one rests on the QB position. I think we all know that. So another season of Cam sets us back because we still don't have the guy. The chances of a 3rd or 4th round pick being a quality starter are drastically low as opposed to a QB picked in the top 10-15. I a not saying that it never happens as you have good starters like Prescott, Cousins and Wilson picked in those rounds but they are the aberration. Most of your top QBs in the league currently are first round, top 15 selections. That is where the talent is found for the most critical position on the team.

Going 7-9 put us in no man's land at pick 15. Too costly to trade up so here we are looking at the later rounds. It's a tough spot and makes me think we are in for a longer rebuild to get back to contender status.

That all being said I like Mond. LOL
 

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I wasn't saying it was the equivalent of success but it gives you better odds at finding the "next guy." Every draft pick is a crap shoot but the scouts, Bill, the coaches are all paid to make these decisions with the QB being the most critical of all. The chances of this rebuild being a long one vs a short one rests on the QB position. I think we all know that. So another season of Cam sets us back because we still don't have the guy. The chances of a 3rd or 4th round pick being a quality starter are drastically low as opposed to a QB picked in the top 10-15. I a not saying that it never happens as you have good starters like Prescott, Cousins and Wilson picked in those rounds but they are the aberration. Most of your top QBs in the league currently are first round, top 15 selections. That is where the talent is found for the most critical position on the team.

Going 7-9 put us in no man's land at pick 15. Too costly to trade up so here we are looking at the later rounds. It's a tough spot and makes me think we are in for a longer rebuild to get back to contender status.

That all being said I like Mond. LOL
Thing about tanking is I understand why its done sometimes, because if you are great and win and win titles you are fine, if you are awful, you get top draft picks, but if you are in that middle 7-9 8-8 area, you are in no man's land.
 

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Tanking isn't the equivalent of success. If that were the case the Jets/Falcons/Lions/Browns would be world beaters. The Browns have a great collection of talent, but it took them years to pull it together.

There's no guarantee these rookies will pan out, either. In fact looking back at a QB rich draft that was 2011 similar to this one:

Cam went 1st
Jake Locker went 8th
Blaine Gabbert went 10th
Chistian Ponder went 12th

Of those QBs, only Cam fulfilled his potential and looked like a 1st overall pick. The rest were either out of the NFL or in Gabbert's case, he became a career back up.

Then we got Andy Dalton who went in the second round, who had way more success than any of the mentioned QBs. There was Colin Kaepernick, who also had more success than the above mentioned albeit for a short time.

Hell, even Tyrod Taylor who was drafted in the 6th round had a much better career than three of those four 1st rounders. So yeah, picking a QB in the first round doesn't mean they'll pan out.
Locker retired early on purpose. Ponder too...
 
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At this point it wouldn't surprise me if Pats go defense or OL 1st then pick Mills or Mond in 3-4th round. It seems the prices are really steep to get one of the popular QBs.

Well, we need an OT since Wynn's contract is up after this year and TBrown is on a 1 year deal.
We need LB and CB if Hightower and Gilmore are gone after this year.
So, yeah, I can see OT, LB or CB.
That gives BB another year to figure out QB without reaching if all 5 QBs are gone by the 10th pick.
 

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Thing about tanking is I understand why its done sometimes, because if you are great and win and win titles you are fine, if you are awful, you get top draft picks, but if you are in that middle 7-9 8-8 area, you are in no man's land.
I don't believe in tanking in general but when we were eliminated from playoff contention in early December, there was no reason to try to win games at that point. Put Stidham in and see what you got.
 

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I don't believe in tanking in general but when we were eliminated from playoff contention in early December, there was no reason to try to win games at that point. Put Stidham in and see what you got.
BB should have never signed sCam...but, it doesn't matter now. Way too late for that.
 
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Locker maybe. Ponder was statistically terrible. He only had a decent record because of Adrian Peterson.
Ponder got married to a hot blonde that worked for BSPN...I doubt he cares about football these days. He got paid very well when he was in the NFL.
 
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Ponder got married to a hot blonde that worked for BSPN...I doubt he cares about football these days. He got paid very well when he was in the NFL.

Yeah, he did just fine. $15M career earnings for him. His wife, Samantha, makes $5M a year at espn. They have 3 kids
 
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We've entered the lying season so be careful who you listen to and who you read. Some crazy shit is beginning to show up on the web.
 

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We've entered the lying season so be careful who you listen to and who you read. Some crazy shit is beginning to show up on the web.

What's with the tease? What do you mean? Sometimes a good lie can be entertaining as in "the 49ers are planning on drafting Mac Jones at 3".

I figured that was bullshit the second I heard about it. Shanny II and Lynch aren't dopes and they would not leave such an obvious trail of crumbs. It's not good spycraft. I've given up the ghost on Jones coming here, so that is not my motivation for saying it. I don't think they have the balls to draft a relatively non-athletic QB who doesn't have a rocket attached to his shoulder just

How 'bout the Pats are planning on planning on swapping 15 for the Ravens' 27 & 58 so they can take Christian Barmore and we can take Davis Mills (and get the 5th year option)?

I just made it up, but other than the fact it's Baltimore there is some plausible logic to it.
 

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I heard the Pats are going to draft that Mirer at QB instead of the guy from Wala Wala. They say he can scramble so that should work well.
Be careful. Mirer can’t throw to the left side to save his life. Eventually NFL teams will figure that out. I know, next Joe Montana, blah blah. I don’t buy it.:coffee:
 
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