The 2021 Patriots' Preseason Camp

That was a very interesting quote from Jones on how he is trying to process everything. When I read things like that I always come back to the same fear that our offense is too complex. I know Jones is a cerebral guy but his quote has echoes of Newton from last year - I have to figure out what I am seeing and what I should do on any given play.

I know the complexity is also what makes our offense so hard to defend when the Qb is comfortable in it but it also makes me worry that some guys can't pick it up or get discouraged in the process.

Hopefully Jones continues to be able to learn it but the fact that he is not throwing down field at all means he is having a tough time with it as he is hitting his checks too much IMO.
 
I've been thinking about Winovich's shrinking snaps in 2020 a lot lately.
Anyone have any ideas how Winovich fits into BB's plans?
With so much invested in new EDGE players who are bigger, stronger and more experienced, could his days be numbered or maybe a change of position. IDK.
 
Josh coaching up Mac Jones
1st rep. LaCosse executes a perfect route. Mac completes the pass.
Josh: "Ok, that's better but next time throw the ball as soon as he plants."
Mac: "Got it, coach."
Asiasi up last doesn't plant, takes too many steps to stop and turn and then drops the easy catch.
Route running has to be precise.
Blame the incompletion on Asiasi.


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Mike touches on Gilmore's contract, Asiasi's progress, Uche's cachet, Cam's return to practice last week and addresses my question "Where's Wino".


Here's how BB handled Gilmore's holdout last year when there wasn't much cap money available.

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I've been thinking about Winovich's shrinking snaps in 2020 a lot lately.
Anyone have any ideas how Winovich fits into BB's plans?
With so much invested in new EDGE players who are bigger, stronger and more experienced, could his days be numbered or maybe a change of position. IDK.

This is a great question.

Clearly, we have numbers of players capable of being Edge or Defensive Ends and I wondered about this when we signed Matt Judon and
drafted Ronnie Perkins who followed closely on the heels of the selection of Josh Uche to add to Wino. I can't imagine a defensive set that could use all
4 at once, so it does beg the question as to what is in the plans-- other than to obviously provide plenty of competition in order to improve the pass
rush and overall level of play from last season.

I read a recent quote from Chase that says he is in the best shape of his life physically and mentally. Maybe that is true, but I wondered if he didn't look a
bit bigger. Could he be used inside? That would not seem to be his strong suit, which is a relentless attack which, at times, showed him losing
edge contain and, therefore, drawing the ire of Bill and his coaches.

I think he has too much talent to simply be the odd man out here and Perkins will likely need to figure things out, but his role in this D will be something
I'll be watching with curiosity. I will also point out that when Uche was often out there were times when he was our prime source of pressure on the QB and
this made it easy to focus on him. I like his energy and potential and doubt that we'll put him in the time-out chair, but I'm not sure about that.
 
If you put him inside,losing contain would be less of an issue. maybe he'd be a good a/b gap rusher/blitzer?
 
If you put him inside,losing contain would be less of an issue. maybe he'd be a good a/b gap rusher/blitzer?

Wino seems to be limited to a 3rd down specialist at this point but Patriots.com lists him as a DT. Hightower is a great rusher from inside.
Wise, Uche, Judon, KVN are primarily EDGE.
Other than a rotational role, I don't see him getting many snaps this year even on passing downs.
I'll be interested in his role this year.
I won't be surprised if he's traded, however
 
Wino seems to be limited to a 3rd down specialist at this point but Patriots.com lists him as a DT. Hightower is a great rusher from inside.
Wise, Uche, Judon, KVN are primarily EDGE.
Other than a rotational role, I don't see him getting many snaps this year even on passing downs.
I'll be interested in his role this year.
I won't be surprised if he's traded, however
heading to arizona with Chandler Jones?
 
I am find if we trade Wino. Totally psyched Hightower is back and looks to be in decent shape.
 
Wino seems to be limited to a 3rd down specialist at this point but Patriots.com lists him as a DT. Hightower is a great rusher from inside.
Wise, Uche, Judon, KVN are primarily EDGE.
Other than a rotational role, I don't see him getting many snaps this year even on passing downs.
I'll be interested in his role this year.
I won't be surprised if he's traded, however
I've been thinking that and, if it happens, I'd trace it back to his sideline arguments with Bill and other staff. All that stayed pretty
much in house, so we don't really know exactly what the dispute was about, but I think some was about lack of gap discipline and the big
one with Bill was because he drew a costly flag for losing his head. It also appeared like he gave some lip back, so that was pretty
unusual and concerning.

I think that is both Chase's best attribute and worst. He plays like a Tasmanian Devil and, like the cartoon character, isn't known
for calm, reasoned thought on the field.

From his perspective, I'm sure that he sees guys getting big money whenever they pile up 10 or more sacks and if he went to a team that
would just stick him out on the end of the line and say "sic 'em" without worrying about, you know, a counter run through the hole
he just vacated, then he could double his sack total (5.5 both years) and put himself in good position when his contract expires in two years.

It's doubtful he could hit 10 here unless he gets a bunch more snaps and unless he gets to the QB before Judon, Uche, and maybe Barmore do.

Maybe our guys are just tired of trying to reach him. It's hard to know what is going on, but they aren't collecting edge players to
put them in a loose-leaf binder to show them off to their friends.

Also, one thing Chase is not is a DT. That is a curious choice by Pats.com. He doesn't have the sand in his pants to perform that kind of role like, say,
Trey Flowers did so well in sliding inside on passing downs. He has done it before in situations, but not with much production, I'd say. I'd go so far
as to say that taking on bigger blockers isn't his strong suit, either, but when a TE tries to block him, Chase destroys them.

I doubt we could get in trade what it cost to draft him right now, so I think we'll just have to see what transpires.
 
I've been thinking that and, if it happens, I'd trace it back to his sideline arguments with Bill and other staff. All that stayed pretty
much in house, so we don't really know exactly what the dispute was about, but I think some was about lack of gap discipline and the big
one with Bill was because he drew a costly flag for losing his head. It also appeared like he gave some lip back, so that was pretty
unusual and concerning.

I think that is both Chase's best attribute and worst. He plays like a Tasmanian Devil and, like the cartoon character, isn't known
for calm, reasoned thought on the field.

From his perspective, I'm sure that he sees guys getting big money whenever they pile up 10 or more sacks and if he went to a team that
would just stick him out on the end of the line and say "sic 'em" without worrying about, you know, a counter run through the hole
he just vacated, then he could double his sack total (5.5 both years) and put himself in good position when his contract expires in two years.

It's doubtful he could hit 10 here unless he gets a bunch more snaps and unless he gets to the QB before Judon, Uche, and maybe Barmore do.

Maybe our guys are just tired of trying to reach him. It's hard to know what is going on, but they aren't collecting edge players to
put them in a loose-leaf binder to show them off to their friends.

Also, one thing Chase is not is a DT. That is a curious choice by Pats.com. He doesn't have the sand in his pants to perform that kind of role like, say,
Trey Flowers did so well in sliding inside on passing downs. He has done it before in situations, but not with much production, I'd say. I'd go so far
as to say that taking on bigger blockers isn't his strong suit, either, but when a TE tries to block him, Chase destroys them.

I doubt we could get in trade what it cost to draft him right now, so I think we'll just have to see what transpires.
Yea, mouthing off and not doing your job probably doesn't go well with BB.

The thing that stands out to me about Wino is his athleticism, it's George Kittle like. I suppose he has hands of stone though.
 
Winovich, Keene & Harry I think are all in for big camp battles to keep their spot. One of Winovich issues last year. He just couldn't set the edge. Compared to just being asked to rush the passer his rookie year.
 
I've been thinking that and, if it happens, I'd trace it back to his sideline arguments with Bill and other staff. All that stayed pretty
much in house, so we don't really know exactly what the dispute was about, but I think some was about lack of gap discipline and the big
one with Bill was because he drew a costly flag for losing his head. It also appeared like he gave some lip back, so that was pretty
unusual and concerning.

I think that is both Chase's best attribute and worst. He plays like a Tasmanian Devil and, like the cartoon character, isn't known
for calm, reasoned thought on the field.

From his perspective, I'm sure that he sees guys getting big money whenever they pile up 10 or more sacks and if he went to a team that
would just stick him out on the end of the line and say "sic 'em" without worrying about, you know, a counter run through the hole
he just vacated, then he could double his sack total (5.5 both years) and put himself in good position when his contract expires in two years.

It's doubtful he could hit 10 here unless he gets a bunch more snaps and unless he gets to the QB before Judon, Uche, and maybe Barmore do.

Maybe our guys are just tired of trying to reach him. It's hard to know what is going on, but they aren't collecting edge players to
put them in a loose-leaf binder to show them off to their friends.

Also, one thing Chase is not is a DT. That is a curious choice by Pats.com. He doesn't have the sand in his pants to perform that kind of role like, say,
Trey Flowers did so well in sliding inside on passing downs. He has done it before in situations, but not with much production, I'd say. I'd go so far
as to say that taking on bigger blockers isn't his strong suit, either, but when a TE tries to block him, Chase destroys them.

I doubt we could get in trade what it cost to draft him right now, so I think we'll just have to see what transpires.
Great thoughts here Hawg. I agree with everything. I do kind of wish we would just unleash him and let him be the mad dog sacker but that has never been our style on defense.
 
I've been thinking about Winovich's shrinking snaps in 2020 a lot lately.
Anyone have any ideas how Winovich fits into BB's plans?
With so much invested in new EDGE players who are bigger, stronger and more experienced, could his days be numbered or maybe a change of position. IDK.
What do you think Jennings will become? Seems close to invisible on the field to me.
 
I get that Chase, Wino, whatever, isn’t always a perfect fit.

I’m no BB fan, but what he does well is finds way to make guys like him work. I have a feeling he’ll stick, and come through when it really counts.
 
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