Very stupid question - if Maye and Daniels go 1-2, is it Williams or can the Pats trade that pick for more than what it might have been valued at had Williams been gone?
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Boylhart has been around for 20 years or more. I've used his the Huddle Report site long before some of these others have come around He has no agenda, but he can be wrong like anyone else.
Someone needs to find the analysis done showing JJ's performance (including stats) from before Michigan lost their head cheater and after they lost hime. He dropped offf a cliff when he didn't KNOW what defense the opponent was actually playing.
In the meantime, why folks are performing written blow jobs on JJ is beyond me.
I know that you have a bias against all things Wolverine. To my eyes, JJ seems to be the QB that you want when the game is on the line with a few minutes left. I like him better than Maye or Williams.
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I want nothing to do with JJ. Game manager at best. Hell, how different was he in college than Mac Jones?
Did Brady have a write up way back then? I'm guessing it was mixed at best. you never know with any of these guys.JJ McCarthy QB Michigan
by Drew Boylhart • January 29, 2024
STRENGTHS
Jonathan James is a winner. He has the arm strength and arm talent to make all the throws when he needs to make them. He has solid athletic talent to run the ball if needed. JJ can play under center or from the shotgun and has a high football IQ. JJ is a leader and knows how to win games athletically, and mentally during a game. He does an excellent job of using the talent around him but what he truly brings with him to the next level is the “Drive” to win. The need to win and the need to help his teammates win.
CONCERNS
JJ needs to manipulate the pocket better, giving his offensive line a better chance to protect him. He is more of a pocket passer than an “on the move” type of QB and this will help him to gain more time in the pocket and extend plays. Right now, he is not adept at extending plays as much as some other QB’s in this draft.
BOTTOM LINE: 1.40
Winning, Winning, Winning…this is a QB who will throw the ball, 17 times, takes 4 sacks while his team is winning 52 to 7. Think about that, that’s leadership, and that’s a winning QB. In another game, he threw the ball 27 times scored 4 TD’s, and took 1 sack. In that game, Michigan won 49 to 0. Think about that too! I believe that Stats tell a story but don’t tell the whole story. That’s why when I profile a quarterback, I look very hard for talent but more so, for the quality in a QB, that shows me he has more than just talent. JJ’s leadership jumps off the film at me. It’s “How” he plays the game, adjusts during a game, and listens to his coaches during a game. It’s how he communicates what his coaches try to do to his teammates, during the game. He is not perfect athletically, but you can also see the “Drive” in him to improve and minimize his weaknesses and not to let down his teammates down when everyone wonders athletically if he can make the impact throw and play. That’s the key to his leadership. He wants his teammates to succeed and is willing to put them in a position to succeed without being just a “hollow” cheerleader on the sidelines after a three-and-out. JJ understands what it takes to win and that is what he will bring to the team that selects him in this draft.
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right now I'm between Daniels and JJ. If we have to draft at 3 and Daniels is on the board, I would go with him.
If we trade down a few spots, pick up another 2nd rounder, then I would go with JJ at 7 or 8 if Daniels is gone.
You know, in the Sporting News they had a article, before the draft, stating that Brady was the most underrated player in the draft. I still have that draft guide in storage.
I have them going back to 1996. At the time Joel Bushbaum
was doing his guide, and had Brady rated as a 4th rounder. My code at the time had Brady P5, meaning Patriots 5th round.
I was smarter than all the NFL teams.
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Not me. Give me Caleb Williams first and failing that I'm liking a guy no one is contemplating and it's not popular - Michael Penix so long as he's healthy and he's been healthy for 2 years.
So if this were left to me I'd trade down to pick up another high pick and grab an OT or WR then Penix. Why Penix? In short...arm strength, accuracy, experience, athleticism and no bad, hard to correct traits like Maye and he's not a 2 year wonder like Jayden Daniels who also had 2 world class WRs he was throwing to. Yes, I understand Daniels threw for 40 TDs /4 ints and that's phenomenal but what did he do his prior 4 years? 49 TDs / 16 ints. Still good but not 40/4 good. I'd take Williams, then Penix then Daniels or wait til next year.
In the end, it may come down to what offense AVP wants to run.
West Coast - Nix, Rattler & McCarthy
Spread - Williams, Penix, Daniels and Maye
Ehrhardt-Perkins - Williams, Penix and Maye
None of these QBs is great at decision making. They all have problems with pre-snap and post-snap reads & getting through progressions quickly, including Williams. Calling plays in the huddle, playing under center, working the pocket. They all have so much to learn. None of them is NFL ready or the perfect candidate. They all need to sit until they pick things up.
How they perform year 2 will largely be up to the coaching they get year 1 and the quality of players they are playing with.
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Following up on Chev's report on Drake Maye
The two quarterbacks have different skill sets and present different problems for opposing defenses. So with the draft three weeks away, we’re taking an in-depth look at the strengths and weaknesses of each quarterback to get a sense of what the Patriots could be landing.
Earlier this week, we broke down Maye’s game. Now, we delve into Daniels of LSU.
Daniels’ success along those lines speaks to two massive strengths in his game: his running ability and his deep ball.
The 23-year-old Daniels has incredible vision as a runner and rushed for 8.4 yards per carry last season to go with 10 touchdowns on the ground. He became the first player in SEC history to top 3,800 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in a single season. He put together a Heisman Trophy-winning season by averaging 412 yards of offense per game, the most of any player in the FBS (Maye was No. 2, 74 yards behind Daniels). Daniels’ father was a Division I cornerback, and Daniels runs with the shiftiness of a slick cover corner. Daniels didn’t run the 40-yard dash at the combine, but he will enter the NFL as one of the fastest quarterbacks in the league.
Daniels also offers the ability to throw the ball deep and outside the numbers. On throws of 20-plus yards last season, Daniels completed 67 percent of his passes and had a 22-to-0 touchdown-to-interception rate. That’s incredible.
LSU coach Brian Kelly praised his work ethic, and he was voted a team captain last season in Baton Rouge. The five-year starter, who spent three seasons at Arizona State, went 37-18 overall as a collegian.
That number is important because of the cutoff it represents. Since 2000, only five quarterbacks who weighed less than 205 pounds have started 14 games or more in a season: Aaron Brooks, Kirk Cousins, Doug Flutie, Jeff Garcia and Bryce Young. Since 2016, only three quarterbacks who weighed 210 pounds or less have started 14 games or more in a season: Cousins, Young and Kyler Murray.
Daniels is tall (6-foot-3) but slight, and that body frame is not just an anomaly among successful NFL quarterbacks, but it becomes even riskier with the way Daniels plays. He doesn’t have a good feel for when to slide while running or even how to get hit, so he tends to take massive shots. He mostly stayed healthy in college despite those big hits, but it’s quite risky to be that size and play the way he does. Injuries seem almost inevitable in the NFL, especially if he continues to scramble at a high rate.
That’s the other big knock against him – how quickly Daniels pivots to scrambling, sometimes tucking the ball to run as soon as his first read in the passing game isn’t open. His scramble rate is significantly higher than other top quarterbacks in recent years, indicating he bolts from the pocket before he needs to. While that mostly worked in college, it’s less likely to be effective in the NFL.
Daniels mostly picked apart defenses last season with a great deep ball and a good feel for throwing outside the numbers, but that’s likely not a great option for him next season if he lands in New England. He’s a bit like Russell Wilson with his penchant for throwing deep and outside while struggling with throws over the middle, but he runs more like Lamar Jackson.
The drawback for Daniels if he ends up with the Patriots is that they don’t have receivers on the roster who tend to win downfield or outside the numbers. It doesn’t mean you don’t draft a quarterback because your supporting cast doesn’t fit his strengths, but it’s worth noting. And if they do pick him at No. 3, it indicates the type of receiver they might look for in the second or third round.
Daniels benefited by having superb talent around him at LSU, and you can argue that his top two receivers last season — Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas — would be better than his top two options next season if he lands with the Pats. That would be an adjustment for Daniels.
Daniels was a three-year starter at Arizona State before transferring to LSU and was good but not great in Tempe. If he declared for the draft last year, he probably would’ve been a late-round pick.
Lastly, Daniels is on the older side for a first-round quarterback. He’ll turn 24 in December, making him the oldest of the top four quarterbacks (Caleb Williams, J.J. McCarthy, Maye and Daniels).
There’s a chance Daniels lives up to his potential and is able to throw downfield like Wilson while scrambling like Jackson. That would make for a quarterback who’s awfully difficult to defend. But he also seems to have a lower floor than other high-end quarterback prospects, starting with the concerns about his size.
So much of the New England Patriots’ 2024 draft (and really their entire 2024 season) comes down to which quarterback they (presumably) take with the third overall pick. That choice will likely come down to whoever is still an option once they’re on the clock: Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels.The two quarterbacks have different skill sets and present different problems for opposing defenses. So with the draft three weeks away, we’re taking an in-depth look at the strengths and weaknesses of each quarterback to get a sense of what the Patriots could be landing.
Earlier this week, we broke down Maye’s game. Now, we delve into Daniels of LSU.
Strengths
No player in this draft delivers explosive plays like Daniels, something that could be quite appealing for a Patriots offense that has lacked excitement since Tom Brady left town. Last season, Daniels recorded an FBS-best 90 (!) plays of 20-plus yards. It’s obviously not an apples-to-apples comparison, but the entire Patriots offense produced 37 such plays last season, the fewest in the NFL.Daniels’ success along those lines speaks to two massive strengths in his game: his running ability and his deep ball.
The 23-year-old Daniels has incredible vision as a runner and rushed for 8.4 yards per carry last season to go with 10 touchdowns on the ground. He became the first player in SEC history to top 3,800 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in a single season. He put together a Heisman Trophy-winning season by averaging 412 yards of offense per game, the most of any player in the FBS (Maye was No. 2, 74 yards behind Daniels). Daniels’ father was a Division I cornerback, and Daniels runs with the shiftiness of a slick cover corner. Daniels didn’t run the 40-yard dash at the combine, but he will enter the NFL as one of the fastest quarterbacks in the league.
Daniels also offers the ability to throw the ball deep and outside the numbers. On throws of 20-plus yards last season, Daniels completed 67 percent of his passes and had a 22-to-0 touchdown-to-interception rate. That’s incredible.
LSU coach Brian Kelly praised his work ethic, and he was voted a team captain last season in Baton Rouge. The five-year starter, who spent three seasons at Arizona State, went 37-18 overall as a collegian.
Weaknesses
Daniels is a bit of an outlier given his slender stature. Any conversation about his weakness probably needs to start there. Daniels weighed 210 pounds at his pro day last week (which a Patriots contingent attended), an important number given there was some fear he played at 205 pounds or less.That number is important because of the cutoff it represents. Since 2000, only five quarterbacks who weighed less than 205 pounds have started 14 games or more in a season: Aaron Brooks, Kirk Cousins, Doug Flutie, Jeff Garcia and Bryce Young. Since 2016, only three quarterbacks who weighed 210 pounds or less have started 14 games or more in a season: Cousins, Young and Kyler Murray.
Daniels is tall (6-foot-3) but slight, and that body frame is not just an anomaly among successful NFL quarterbacks, but it becomes even riskier with the way Daniels plays. He doesn’t have a good feel for when to slide while running or even how to get hit, so he tends to take massive shots. He mostly stayed healthy in college despite those big hits, but it’s quite risky to be that size and play the way he does. Injuries seem almost inevitable in the NFL, especially if he continues to scramble at a high rate.
That’s the other big knock against him – how quickly Daniels pivots to scrambling, sometimes tucking the ball to run as soon as his first read in the passing game isn’t open. His scramble rate is significantly higher than other top quarterbacks in recent years, indicating he bolts from the pocket before he needs to. While that mostly worked in college, it’s less likely to be effective in the NFL.
Daniels mostly picked apart defenses last season with a great deep ball and a good feel for throwing outside the numbers, but that’s likely not a great option for him next season if he lands in New England. He’s a bit like Russell Wilson with his penchant for throwing deep and outside while struggling with throws over the middle, but he runs more like Lamar Jackson.
The drawback for Daniels if he ends up with the Patriots is that they don’t have receivers on the roster who tend to win downfield or outside the numbers. It doesn’t mean you don’t draft a quarterback because your supporting cast doesn’t fit his strengths, but it’s worth noting. And if they do pick him at No. 3, it indicates the type of receiver they might look for in the second or third round.
Daniels benefited by having superb talent around him at LSU, and you can argue that his top two receivers last season — Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas — would be better than his top two options next season if he lands with the Pats. That would be an adjustment for Daniels.
Daniels was a three-year starter at Arizona State before transferring to LSU and was good but not great in Tempe. If he declared for the draft last year, he probably would’ve been a late-round pick.
Lastly, Daniels is on the older side for a first-round quarterback. He’ll turn 24 in December, making him the oldest of the top four quarterbacks (Caleb Williams, J.J. McCarthy, Maye and Daniels).
Conclusion
Daniels could be a one-man fix for the Patriots offense, especially when it comes to creating explosive plays. But there’s more inherent risk with him than the other top quarterbacks given his size and the fact that he really only had one dominant season in college, one that came when he had some of the best receivers in college football (Nabers and Thomas could be top-15 picks).There’s a chance Daniels lives up to his potential and is able to throw downfield like Wilson while scrambling like Jackson. That would make for a quarterback who’s awfully difficult to defend. But he also seems to have a lower floor than other high-end quarterback prospects, starting with the concerns about his size.
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That was an interesting take on Daniels. I was really happy to read the part I quoted because I was starting to wonder if I imagined the bit about him getting
clocked way more often than somebody with his speed should.
One big difference between him and Maye is that Drake I believe he's displayed some solid judgement as to when to slide and when to go for it. I'm not saying
Daniels has no shot to be a fine QB, but nobody should be surprised if he ends up on IR from getting clobbered.
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Wait, this headline tells me NFL Execs differ as to which QB the Commanders & Patriots should draft?
Of course they're confused! With only a 36% success rate, no one knows for sure who of Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye or, now, JJ McCarthy will be successful.
With nothing better to do I read it after seeing Jeff Howe wrote it and it turned out to be a pretty good article although I still don't know more than I did.
I blame Information overload.
theathletic.com
Just three weeks until the NFL Draft, teams around the league remain split on what will happen with the No. 2 pick.
The Washington Commanders are expected to select a quarterback at that spot, but which one? And what type of chain reaction will that spark throughout the rest of the opening round?
“The QB draft is going to be wild,” one high-ranking team executive said.
There’s been a long-standing belief USC quarterback Caleb Williams will go to the Chicago Bears with the first pick. Beyond that, opinions seem to change with the wind.
North Carolina’s Drake Maye and LSU’s Jayden Daniels have drawn the most attention of late, but Michigan’s J.J. McCarthy used an impressive pro day last month to solidify his offseason acceleration up draft boards.
The Athletic polled seven team executives, coaches and scouts over the past week for an updated evaluation of the QB class. Specifically, they were asked what they believed the Commanders would do at No. 2.
Three of them believed Daniels would be the pick. Two thought it would be Maye. One predicted McCarthy.
The last executive, who is not selecting in the top 10, didn’t offer a prediction but said a trade-down would be the wisest choice. The executive believed the drop-off from the second quarterback to the next tier wasn’t too steep, and the ability to recoup a haul of future draft picks would be too enticing to pass up.
This collective opinion is quite the contrast from a month ago when a poll of more than a dozen coaches and executives revealed Maye as the significant favorite to be the second quarterback off the board. Daniels got some love at No. 3, and McCarthy was tabbed at the top of the next tier.
So what’s changed? All three quarterbacks recently finished their pro days, and it sounds like McCarthy came out of them the biggest winner.
“J.J. killed his workout,” an executive said.
McCarthy has been viewed as a strong leader with good athleticism and a solid arm, though he wasn’t able to show it off much with the Wolverines. But he let it rip at his pro day, and teams are becoming intrigued by the way those tools will translate to the NFL.
Maye’s pro day got off to a slow start with a few missed throws, according to observers. However, they said, he called those plays again, hit them and finished hot. At 6-foot-4 and 223 pounds, Maye has ideal size to match a Justin Herbert-style arm, and he’s got more than enough mobility to run a modern offense.
Maye’s leadership and character have been put on a pedestal, too. He’s viewed as a quarterback who can command an NFL locker room very quickly upon his arrival.
The question with Maye revolves around his inconsistent tape in 2023, which has been almost universally agreed upon over the past couple of months. There were breakdowns in mechanics and some throws that have caused concerns, and of course, some of those inconsistencies spilled into his pro day. One offensive coordinator came away wary of even placing a first-round grade on Maye.
Daniels’ pro day was viewed as good but not great, or it at least didn’t match the hype he’s gotten this offseason. Then again, the hype has reached disproportionate levels with Daniels, so that might be an unfair bar with which to measure.
Daniels caught teams’ attention with his drastic improvements since transferring to LSU a couple of years ago. If he continues that trajectory in the NFL, he could become the best QB in the class. Measuring at 6-foot-3 and 210 pounds at his pro day, Daniels has elite speed and athleticism to break from the pocket, and he’s got more than enough arm.
But how will the draft shake out? There might be even more intrigue with this class than the group from last year when coaches and executives debated the merits between Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud and Anthony Richardson.
For much of the pre-draft process, it felt like Maye would go second, leaving the New England Patriots with Daniels at No. 3. Of late, it seemed the Commanders’ choice wouldn’t be so simple, and the Patriots would corral whoever remains available.
“Either one is fine for (the Patriots),” a coach said.
The Patriots have played it perfectly to this point, heavily scouting the top quarterbacks while keeping the league on notice the third pick could be available at the right price. Whether they’re looking for a Godfather offer or simply weighing the cost of moving down in the right scenario — maybe they only like two of the QBs, or maybe their top tier also includes McCarthy and others — the Patriots certainly don’t want teams to assume they’re locked into No. 3 when rivals consider moving up.
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Patriots 2024 mock draft scenarios: What would a trade down from No. 3 look like?
The wild card is McCarthy. If, as one executive predicted, McCarthy goes second, TV ratings in New England could spike to historic levels on draft night. If McCarthy goes third, teams like the New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings, Denver Broncos and Las Vegas Raiders could be tripping over themselves to acquire the Arizona Cardinals’ No. 4 selection. With Maye and Daniels not long ago viewed as a pipe dream for teams outside the top three, a stratospheric leap by McCarthy could significantly adjust several teams’ draft plans.
The Athletic has reported for a month the Cardinals are open for business at No. 4, presumably for a quarterback-needy team, but the fifth QB might not have to wait too much longer, either. Oregon’s Bo Nix has been the perceived favorite at that spot, but don’t rule out Washington’s Michael Penix Jr., who has Yo-Yo’d from the third round to the first and back again more times than any QB in recent memory.
There’s a quarterback for just about everyone in this class. The top six all have different styles, strengths and weaknesses, which has created a ton of intrigue in front offices around the league.
Three weeks out, and there’s more mystery surrounding the 2024 quarterback class than there’s ever been.
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Of course they're confused! With only a 36% success rate, no one knows for sure who of Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye or, now, JJ McCarthy will be successful.
With nothing better to do I read it after seeing Jeff Howe wrote it and it turned out to be a pretty good article although I still don't know more than I did.
I blame Information overload.
NFL coaches, execs split on which QBs Commanders, Patriots should take at Nos. 2 and 3
Three weeks away from the NFL Draft, and there’s more mystery surrounding the 2024 quarterback class than there’s ever been.
theathletic.com
Just three weeks until the NFL Draft, teams around the league remain split on what will happen with the No. 2 pick.
The Washington Commanders are expected to select a quarterback at that spot, but which one? And what type of chain reaction will that spark throughout the rest of the opening round?
“The QB draft is going to be wild,” one high-ranking team executive said.
There’s been a long-standing belief USC quarterback Caleb Williams will go to the Chicago Bears with the first pick. Beyond that, opinions seem to change with the wind.
North Carolina’s Drake Maye and LSU’s Jayden Daniels have drawn the most attention of late, but Michigan’s J.J. McCarthy used an impressive pro day last month to solidify his offseason acceleration up draft boards.
The Athletic polled seven team executives, coaches and scouts over the past week for an updated evaluation of the QB class. Specifically, they were asked what they believed the Commanders would do at No. 2.
Three of them believed Daniels would be the pick. Two thought it would be Maye. One predicted McCarthy.
The last executive, who is not selecting in the top 10, didn’t offer a prediction but said a trade-down would be the wisest choice. The executive believed the drop-off from the second quarterback to the next tier wasn’t too steep, and the ability to recoup a haul of future draft picks would be too enticing to pass up.
This collective opinion is quite the contrast from a month ago when a poll of more than a dozen coaches and executives revealed Maye as the significant favorite to be the second quarterback off the board. Daniels got some love at No. 3, and McCarthy was tabbed at the top of the next tier.
So what’s changed? All three quarterbacks recently finished their pro days, and it sounds like McCarthy came out of them the biggest winner.
“J.J. killed his workout,” an executive said.
McCarthy has been viewed as a strong leader with good athleticism and a solid arm, though he wasn’t able to show it off much with the Wolverines. But he let it rip at his pro day, and teams are becoming intrigued by the way those tools will translate to the NFL.
Maye’s pro day got off to a slow start with a few missed throws, according to observers. However, they said, he called those plays again, hit them and finished hot. At 6-foot-4 and 223 pounds, Maye has ideal size to match a Justin Herbert-style arm, and he’s got more than enough mobility to run a modern offense.
Maye’s leadership and character have been put on a pedestal, too. He’s viewed as a quarterback who can command an NFL locker room very quickly upon his arrival.
The question with Maye revolves around his inconsistent tape in 2023, which has been almost universally agreed upon over the past couple of months. There were breakdowns in mechanics and some throws that have caused concerns, and of course, some of those inconsistencies spilled into his pro day. One offensive coordinator came away wary of even placing a first-round grade on Maye.
Daniels’ pro day was viewed as good but not great, or it at least didn’t match the hype he’s gotten this offseason. Then again, the hype has reached disproportionate levels with Daniels, so that might be an unfair bar with which to measure.
Daniels caught teams’ attention with his drastic improvements since transferring to LSU a couple of years ago. If he continues that trajectory in the NFL, he could become the best QB in the class. Measuring at 6-foot-3 and 210 pounds at his pro day, Daniels has elite speed and athleticism to break from the pocket, and he’s got more than enough arm.
But how will the draft shake out? There might be even more intrigue with this class than the group from last year when coaches and executives debated the merits between Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud and Anthony Richardson.
For much of the pre-draft process, it felt like Maye would go second, leaving the New England Patriots with Daniels at No. 3. Of late, it seemed the Commanders’ choice wouldn’t be so simple, and the Patriots would corral whoever remains available.
“Either one is fine for (the Patriots),” a coach said.
The Patriots have played it perfectly to this point, heavily scouting the top quarterbacks while keeping the league on notice the third pick could be available at the right price. Whether they’re looking for a Godfather offer or simply weighing the cost of moving down in the right scenario — maybe they only like two of the QBs, or maybe their top tier also includes McCarthy and others — the Patriots certainly don’t want teams to assume they’re locked into No. 3 when rivals consider moving up.
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Patriots 2024 mock draft scenarios: What would a trade down from No. 3 look like?
The wild card is McCarthy. If, as one executive predicted, McCarthy goes second, TV ratings in New England could spike to historic levels on draft night. If McCarthy goes third, teams like the New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings, Denver Broncos and Las Vegas Raiders could be tripping over themselves to acquire the Arizona Cardinals’ No. 4 selection. With Maye and Daniels not long ago viewed as a pipe dream for teams outside the top three, a stratospheric leap by McCarthy could significantly adjust several teams’ draft plans.
The Athletic has reported for a month the Cardinals are open for business at No. 4, presumably for a quarterback-needy team, but the fifth QB might not have to wait too much longer, either. Oregon’s Bo Nix has been the perceived favorite at that spot, but don’t rule out Washington’s Michael Penix Jr., who has Yo-Yo’d from the third round to the first and back again more times than any QB in recent memory.
There’s a quarterback for just about everyone in this class. The top six all have different styles, strengths and weaknesses, which has created a ton of intrigue in front offices around the league.
Three weeks out, and there’s more mystery surrounding the 2024 quarterback class than there’s ever been.
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The Athletic's sample trades for the Pats' #3 pick. This trade could happen but I don't see these picks happening this way. First of all, 2 OTs that high seems OTT to me when 1 stud is all we need this year. Secondly, I'd plan on Bo Nix being headed earlier to the Broncos. I'd target a different QB or pick a damned good WR with 23. I'd suggest Xavier Worthy, the little speedster who plays with attitude like Steve Smith Sr. and the athleticism of Desean Jackson. (Yes, imo he's that good). Or Brian Thomas, the best pure X in this draft. Penix may be there at 34 and he has the most experience and the best long ball of them all. I love McConkey but QB is more impt so I'd pull that trigger and if he doesn't work out we can go QB in next year's draft. At 68, instead of a 2nd OT I'd double dip at WR. I have a list of 10 guys who should be solid contributors & fill needs. Do we really need a RB this high at 103 when so many are still on the board? I'd go DB, DL or Edge here.
My revision:
11. OT Fashanu is fine
23. WR Xavier Worthy or Brian Thomas
34. Penix
68. WR
103. DL, DB or Edge
Trade with Minnesota
My revision:
11. OT Fashanu is fine
23. WR Xavier Worthy or Brian Thomas
34. Penix
68. WR
103. DL, DB or Edge
Scenario A: Trade with the Vikings
Proposed deal: Minnesota trades Nos. 11 and 23 and a 2025 third-round pick to New England for No. 3Trade with Minnesota
| No. 11* | Olu Fashanu | OT | Penn State |
| No. 23* | Bo Nix | QB | Oregon |
| No. 34 | Ladd McConkey | WR | Georgia |
| No. 68 | Blake Fisher | OT | Notre Dame |
| No. 103 | Trey Benson | RB | Florida State |
| No. 137 | Ben Sinnott | TE | Kansas State |
| No. 180 | Braiden McGregor | Edge | Michigan |
| No. 193 | MJ Devonshire | CB | Pitt |
| No. 231 | David White | WR | Western Carolina |
| * - via trade |
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This scenario seems more realistic to me. My only change would be a WR at 103 instead of TE Cade Stover.
You may quibble about QB McCarthy. The pick at QB doesn't really matter to me bc A) he won't play this year and B) if he's not the guy we can do QB next year. It's a crapshoot anyway so don't over think it. Just pick 1 and move on.
Proposed deal 2: New England trades Nos. 11 and 68 and a future pick to Arizona for No. 4
Two trades
You may quibble about QB McCarthy. The pick at QB doesn't really matter to me bc A) he won't play this year and B) if he's not the guy we can do QB next year. It's a crapshoot anyway so don't over think it. Just pick 1 and move on.
Scenario B: Trade twice
Proposed deal 1: Minnesota trades Nos. 11 and 23 and a 2025 third-round pick to New England for No. 3Proposed deal 2: New England trades Nos. 11 and 68 and a future pick to Arizona for No. 4
Two trades
| No. 4* | J.J. McCarthy | QB | Michigan |
| No. 23* | Amarius Mims | OT | Georgia |
| No. 34 | Ladd McConkey | WR | Georgia |
| No. 103 | Cade Stover | TE | Ohio State |
| No. 137 | Kalen King | CB | Penn State |
| No. 180 | Isaac Guerendo | RB | Louisville |
| No. 193 | Myles Cole | Edge | Texas Tech |
| No. 231 | Ethan Driskell | OT | Marshall |
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Wait, this headline tells me NFL Execs differ as to which QB the Commanders & Patriots should draft?
Of course they're confused! With only a 36% success rate, no one knows for sure who of Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye or, now, JJ McCarthy will be successful.
With nothing better to do I read it after seeing Jeff Howe wrote it and it turned out to be a pretty good article although I still don't know more than I did.
I blame Information overload.
NFL coaches, execs split on which QBs Commanders, Patriots should take at Nos. 2 and 3
Three weeks away from the NFL Draft, and there’s more mystery surrounding the 2024 quarterback class than there’s ever been.
Just three weeks until the NFL Draft, teams around the league remain split on what will happen with the No. 2 pick.
The Washington Commanders are expected to select a quarterback at that spot, but which one? And what type of chain reaction will that spark throughout the rest of the opening round?
“The QB draft is going to be wild,” one high-ranking team executive said.
There’s been a long-standing belief USC quarterback Caleb Williams will go to the Chicago Bears with the first pick. Beyond that, opinions seem to change with the wind.
North Carolina’s Drake Maye and LSU’s Jayden Daniels have drawn the most attention of late, but Michigan’s J.J. McCarthy used an impressive pro day last month to solidify his offseason acceleration up draft boards.
The Athletic polled seven team executives, coaches and scouts over the past week for an updated evaluation of the QB class. Specifically, they were asked what they believed the Commanders would do at No. 2.
Three of them believed Daniels would be the pick. Two thought it would be Maye. One predicted McCarthy.
The last executive, who is not selecting in the top 10, didn’t offer a prediction but said a trade-down would be the wisest choice. The executive believed the drop-off from the second quarterback to the next tier wasn’t too steep, and the ability to recoup a haul of future draft picks would be too enticing to pass up.
This collective opinion is quite the contrast from a month ago when a poll of more than a dozen coaches and executives revealed Maye as the significant favorite to be the second quarterback off the board. Daniels got some love at No. 3, and McCarthy was tabbed at the top of the next tier.
So what’s changed? All three quarterbacks recently finished their pro days, and it sounds like McCarthy came out of them the biggest winner.
“J.J. killed his workout,” an executive said.
McCarthy has been viewed as a strong leader with good athleticism and a solid arm, though he wasn’t able to show it off much with the Wolverines. But he let it rip at his pro day, and teams are becoming intrigued by the way those tools will translate to the NFL.
Maye’s pro day got off to a slow start with a few missed throws, according to observers. However, they said, he called those plays again, hit them and finished hot. At 6-foot-4 and 223 pounds, Maye has ideal size to match a Justin Herbert-style arm, and he’s got more than enough mobility to run a modern offense.
Maye’s leadership and character have been put on a pedestal, too. He’s viewed as a quarterback who can command an NFL locker room very quickly upon his arrival.
The question with Maye revolves around his inconsistent tape in 2023, which has been almost universally agreed upon over the past couple of months. There were breakdowns in mechanics and some throws that have caused concerns, and of course, some of those inconsistencies spilled into his pro day. One offensive coordinator came away wary of even placing a first-round grade on Maye.
Daniels’ pro day was viewed as good but not great, or it at least didn’t match the hype he’s gotten this offseason. Then again, the hype has reached disproportionate levels with Daniels, so that might be an unfair bar with which to measure.
Daniels caught teams’ attention with his drastic improvements since transferring to LSU a couple of years ago. If he continues that trajectory in the NFL, he could become the best QB in the class. Measuring at 6-foot-3 and 210 pounds at his pro day, Daniels has elite speed and athleticism to break from the pocket, and he’s got more than enough arm.
But how will the draft shake out? There might be even more intrigue with this class than the group from last year when coaches and executives debated the merits between Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud and Anthony Richardson.
For much of the pre-draft process, it felt like Maye would go second, leaving the New England Patriots with Daniels at No. 3. Of late, it seemed the Commanders’ choice wouldn’t be so simple, and the Patriots would corral whoever remains available.
“Either one is fine for (the Patriots),” a coach said.
The Patriots have played it perfectly to this point, heavily scouting the top quarterbacks while keeping the league on notice the third pick could be available at the right price. Whether they’re looking for a Godfather offer or simply weighing the cost of moving down in the right scenario — maybe they only like two of the QBs, or maybe their top tier also includes McCarthy and others — the Patriots certainly don’t want teams to assume they’re locked into No. 3 when rivals consider moving up.
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Patriots 2024 mock draft scenarios: What would a trade down from No. 3 look like?
The wild card is McCarthy. If, as one executive predicted, McCarthy goes second, TV ratings in New England could spike to historic levels on draft night. If McCarthy goes third, teams like the New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings, Denver Broncos and Las Vegas Raiders could be tripping over themselves to acquire the Arizona Cardinals’ No. 4 selection. With Maye and Daniels not long ago viewed as a pipe dream for teams outside the top three, a stratospheric leap by McCarthy could significantly adjust several teams’ draft plans.
The Athletic has reported for a month the Cardinals are open for business at No. 4, presumably for a quarterback-needy team, but the fifth QB might not have to wait too much longer, either. Oregon’s Bo Nix has been the perceived favorite at that spot, but don’t rule out Washington’s Michael Penix Jr., who has Yo-Yo’d from the third round to the first and back again more times than any QB in recent memory.
There’s a quarterback for just about everyone in this class. The top six all have different styles, strengths and weaknesses, which has created a ton of intrigue in front offices around the league.
Three weeks out, and there’s more mystery surrounding the 2024 quarterback class than there’s ever been.
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(Thanks, Jeff
Whatever is being paid to pump JJ, it is not enough. Masterful spin job going on for a player that belongs in the 4th/5th round based on his college output.
I seem to remember another Wolverine QB that was FAR more productive and had far more success at the QB position going in the 6th round.
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It would be hilarious if the mutha schmucka forced Wolf to draft JJ @ #3 because the mutha schmucka was so wise to hand pick Brady. 
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Don’t be surprised if this happens either. So far in this new season hardly anything logical happened. Why expect anything to make sense now?
️️️Don’t be surprised if this happens either. So far in this new season hardly anything logical happened. Why expect anything to make sense now?