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I’ll tell you why because you sense your wife’s needs without being told and act accordingly …. Not thinking not about your needs …. Now most men or should I say some men wouldn’t sense the need but would act after they were told about said need. The younger 40 something generation of men aren’t the same as older generations So you’re in good company but the younger generation on both sides are spoiled …

~Dee~

How can someone not "sense their wife's needs" when it comes to a health issue?

Why on earth do they have to be told?

Now I may be naive, stupid, ignorant, or what ever term you wish to state, but I can't envision how a MAN could behave in such a way towards their wife.

OK, girlfriend, friend, associate, etc. maybe.

But a wife?

Really?

How is it possible that a husband wouldn't do everything in his power to help his wife in a medical situation?

I don't give a shit about what specific vows they swore during their wedding, but if supporting their spouse when they weren't capable of supporting themselves is not part of the deal, then just what the fuck is a marriage about?

Yeah, yeah, I get the part about commitment to raise children, should that occur, but one can't commit to raise children unless one commits to keeping both parents present.

No, no, no.

I refuse to think my behavior warrants praise, and if it does...

God fucking help us all.
 
How can someone not "sense their wife's needs" when it comes to a health issue?

Why on earth do they have to be told?

Now I may be naive, stupid, ignorant, or what ever term you wish to state, but I can't envision how a MAN could behave in such a way towards their wife.

OK, girlfriend, friend, associate, etc. maybe.

But a wife?

Really?

How is it possible that a husband wouldn't do everything in his power to help his wife in a medical situation?

I don't give a shit about what specific vows they swore during their wedding, but if supporting their spouse when they weren't capable of supporting themselves is not part of the deal, then just what the fuck is a marriage about?

Yeah, yeah, I get the part about commitment to raise children, should that occur, but one can't commit to raise children unless one commits to keeping both parents present.

No, no, no.

I refuse to think my behavior warrants praise, and if it does...

God fucking help us all.
Because they were spoiled and their father didn’t unfortunately or they didnt have a dad. It’s a mimicked behavior. We are lol

~Dee~
 
Because they were spoiled and their father didn’t unfortunately or they didnt have a dad. It’s a mimicked behavior. We are lol

~Dee~
No we're are not lol, we're fucked.

If that basic bonding to another, to sacrifice one's own needs/desires/etc. to facilitate the others needs/desires/etc. doesn't exist, we are truly fucked.

There is not a single example in the history of human civilization, where some significant event occurred, be it a military victory, a sociological or scientific breakthrough occurred, where a person, or a group of people, didn't sacrifice their needs/desires/etc. to make it happen.

If your suggesting that the youth of today is incapable of doing this, then we are well and truly fucked.
 
Because they were spoiled and their father didn’t unfortunately or they didnt have a dad. It’s a mimicked behavior. We are lol

~Dee~
You paint with a very broad brush. I know plenty of husbands in their 30’s and 40’s who would be just as devoted to their wives as anyone else from the earlier generations .
 
You paint with a very broad brush. I know plenty of husbands in their 30’s and 40’s who would be just as devoted to their wives as anyone else from the earlier generations .
I said some,,,, I treat their children and some of them including…my children are within that age group when everyone got a trophy… that could have destroyed some of at least 2 generations not all some …

~Dee~
 
No we're are not lol, we're fucked.

If that basic bonding to another, to sacrifice one's own needs/desires/etc. to facilitate the others needs/desires/etc. doesn't exist, we are truly fucked.

There is not a single example in the history of human civilization, where some significant event occurred, be it a military victory, a sociological or scientific breakthrough occurred, where a person, or a group of people, didn't sacrifice their needs/desires/etc. to make it happen.

If your suggesting that the youth of today is incapable of doing this, then we are well and truly fucked.
I think some / most are capable of doing so. I hope it’s a majority but I’m not sure. I guess my fear is we are getting rid of future generations for stupid reasons climate change, abortion, and trans drug sterliization
And the youth are afraid to have kids because of climate change or the next apocalypse it hard to explain. I haven’t seen any of this with children in my 35 plus years … it’s not all but it’s a large minority. When I say the children are out future I mean it…. I honestly hope I’m wrong but I’m worried. I never thought I’d say any of this and I really and truly hope I’m wrong but I’m worried

~Dee~
 

"The world is a beautiful place"​

Lawrence Ferlinghetti
1919 –
2021
The world is a beautiful place
to be born into
if you don’t mind happiness
not always being
so very much fun
if you don’t mind a touch of hell
now and then
just when everything is fine
because even in heaven
they don’t sing
all the time

The world is a beautiful place
to be born into
if you don’t mind some people dying
all the time
or maybe only starving
some of the time
which isn’t half so bad
if it isn’t you

Oh the world is a beautiful place
to be born into
if you don’t much mind
a few dead minds
in the higher places
or a bomb or two
now and then
in your upturned faces
or such other improprieties
as our Name Brand society
is prey to
with its men of distinction
and its men of extinction
and its priests
and other patrolmen
and its various segregations
and congressional investigations
and other constipations
that our fool flesh
is heir to

Yes the world is the best place of all
for a lot of such things as
making the fun scene
and making the love scene
and making the sad scene
and singing low songs of having
inspirations
and walking around
looking at everything
and smelling flowers
and goosing statues
and even thinking
and kissing people and
making babies and wearing pants
and waving hats and
dancing
and going swimming in rivers
on picnics
in the middle of the summer
and just generally
‘living it up’

Yes
but then right in the middle of it
comes the smiling
mortician

So sorry.
All I could think of...

BostonTim
 
First, thanks Dee, and everyone else who has sent positive waves.


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But I'm a bit perplexed by Dee's comment.

BTW, she's not alone. I have had multiple women, who we've encountered in this long strange trip, who damn near put me on a pedestal, for my strong support for my wife, as a patient advocate. Be it health care providers, typically nurses or Physician Assistants, or other women we encountered in the numerous visits to the ER, DRs. office, etc.

I don't mean to have this come across as a boast, but I got the strong impression of "envy" from many of these women. That they didn't have such support from the significant others in their life, or that such behavior by a man with regards to his wife/girlfriend/significant other was not the norm.

Excuse me?

Whiskey!

Tango!

Foxtrot!

Really?

I am the outlier with regards to how men behave?

Oh Christ, if true, I weep for our civilization.

IMHO, if a man is to be considered a MAN, and fuck the transgender bullshit, what I am doing for my wife in the minimal required effort to garner that title.

Thank god, I don't have to stand between my wife and an invading horde, and defend her, and die for her if necessary, but what I am doing for her as a health advocate may be as close an equivalent in our society.

The fact that this is viewed as unusual and extraordinary.... FUCK!
There are still many of us out there who take our vows seriously,
 
There are still many of us out there who take our vows seriously,

I have no doubt, and kudos for you to do so.

Before I had the "compliments" from so many women regarding how I was actively supporting my wife through her medical issues, I assumed it was the norm. I don't know how to interpret their praise/envy other as an indication that a lot of men don't.

Now, I can accept that other men may simply not be as aggressive as a patient advocate for their wife, but still want to do everything they can to help her. Maybe they don't know how to play the game, are intimidated by the power structure of the medical establishment, etc.

Me? I take no prisoners. Anyone who has read some of my posts knows full well I don't tolerate fools and have no hesitation to take them down verbally.

The sad fact is that between my neurological issues, and my wife's various issues through the years, I've had far too much experience in being a patient advocate.

I keep saying I have to write a book, that would be something between a black comedy and a health care advocate primer, because I've learned a lot of just how stupid some of the shiite that is done, and know that if one stands firm, and knows when to say, "not only no, but fuck no." that you can sometimes bend the bureaucracy to your will.

My biggest fear is that I'd end up being like Ted Williams trying to coach another hitter, asking them "didn't you see the spin on the ball?" cause much of what I've done as an advocate has been due to my ability to read people and know when to push and when not to.

For example, when my wife had an open book pelvic split after getting hit by a car, she spent 3 months with an external fixator, and classified as "non-weight bearing". Most of that time was spent in the orthopedic ward at the hospital, and many of the nurses had vastly more experience than some of the residents who supervised her daily care.

I could tell when the nurse didn't agree with the doctor, but she was not allowed to question him based on the hierarchy of the hospital.

I had no such restriction and would lay into the "junior woodchucks" to explain why they were ordering that bit of care.

This scored big points with the nurses, so when I asked for something for my wife, I usually got an immediate response.

And yes, I did call them junior woodchucks to their face, and yes that was a bit of alpha male posturing to demonstrate I was top dog, and that was the point.

They needed to understand I was the meanest son of a bitch in the valley, and they crossed me at their peril.

I'll admit, it's a fine line, and you have to understand just what issues can't be forced, that the bureaucracy is so entrenched that you cannot win that fight, so don't waste your time, nor you position as top dog on things that you can't win.

Two examples, a few months ago, my wife fell and got a good gash in her scalp. I was upstairs working in my home office when I heard the thump of her fall. I went downstairs to check on her and noticed she was running her hands through her hair. I looked closely and saw blood, there was enough blood in her hair that I couldn't see the wound, so I took her to the bathroom, used the hand held shower nozzle to rinse her hair till I could see the wound. It was a pretty wide gash, and I could tell immediately it would need stiches, staples or something to close it.

So we went to an urgent care place 5 minutes from our house. When we got there, they asked me if I'd seen her fall. I explained, no and described what had happened.

They replied that by protocol, since I hadn't seen her fall, they could not treat her until a CAT scan was done to ensure that she did have any hemorrhaging in her brain.

OK, stop and think for a moment the absurdity of this protocol. Let's assume I did see her fall. That I did see her hit her head and open a gash. Am I fricken Superman with X-ray vision that I can tell if that fall resulted in hemorrhaging in her brain?

Of course not. But this was not a battle I was going to win. Protocol is protocol, so we had a fun filled 6 hour visit to the ER. They took her for the CAT scan within the first hour, but as we continued to sit in the waiting area, I was not a happy camper. I went up to the front desk and asked a pointed question "Please tell me that the reason we are still sitting out here is that because someone has read the CAT scan and my wife doesn't have a hemorrhage, so it's a question of triage delaying her being dealt with, and not that you just haven't gotten around to looking at the CAT scan yet."

I could tell from the look on the nurse's face that I had scored a point for understanding the process, and she let me know that it had been read and my wife was OK.

Now for the second case where I bent the system to my needs.

This was near the end of my wife's open book pelvis split injury.

We were at the orthopedic surgeon's office, adjacent to the hospital, and waiting in one of the exam rooms. I heard a discussion outside about their X-ray machine was down and that everyone would have to be rescheduled.

A few details to clarify the situation. If the X-rays were positive, my wife would no longer be classified as non weight bearing, and could start her PT to get better, not to mention I wouldn't have to get an ambulance to take her to any future DRs appointments. So this was a big day in her treatment.

Second, her orthopedic surgeon was the head of the orthopedic department at this hospital.

So, when one of the junior woodchucks came into the room, I went on the offensive immediately.

He had barely gotten a "Mr OPT" out of his mouth before I started into him.

"I know your X-ray machine is broken. I don't care if you don't get the revenue from this X-ray, We both know that depending on the outcome of this X-ray, my wife would no longer be classified as non weight bearing, and that's a huge step in her recovery. Now before you open your mouth to respond, you've got two choices. One option is that you think of a good reason as to why the head of orthopedic surgery doesn't have access to one of the plethora of x-ray machines in this hospital. The second option, and trust me it's the better option, is that you go figure out just how we're going to get this X-ray done today."

He didn't say a word, just left the room, and wouldn't you know it? A few minutes later, we were being taken over to the hospital for the X-ray.
 
[...]

I keep saying I have to write a book, that would be something between a black comedy and a health care advocate primer, because I've learned a lot of just how stupid some of the shiite that is done, and know that if one stands firm, and knows when to say, "not only no, but fuck no." that you can sometimes bend the bureaucracy to your will.

[...]

I'll admit, it's a fine line, and you have to understand just what issues can't be forced, that the bureaucracy is so entrenched that you cannot win that fight, so don't waste your time, nor you position as top dog on things that you can't win.

[...]
O_P_T...

as (a) Homage to your professional work revealed as well as your demonstrated excellence-in-logic history here on these PP pages, I say to you:

"Medical Doctors and Treatment received: It's not Rocket Surgery"

kudos on your MD / Hospital Treatment Advocacy Wars fight

it's a battle MANY do not win because they don't know how and why they may have to fight

all the best to you and your wife at this time and in the future
 
OMFG

My life has become an old school country song.

My eldest sister, 70 something, was out walking her dog, blacked out, collapsed, and was taken to the ER.

Fractured her skull, and has bleeding in her brain.

Preliminary reports are that the bleeding is due to her fall and not a stroke.

Giving a crash course on being a patient advocate to her significant other.

My older brother is channeling his inner dopey bastage by counseling we “wait for the doctors to do their job and tell us the facts”

:rolleyes:
 
OMFG

My life has become an old school country song.

My eldest sister, 70 something, was out walking her dog, blacked out, collapsed, and was taken to the ER.

Fractured her skull, and has bleeding in her brain.

Preliminary reports are that the bleeding is due to her fall and not a stroke.

Giving a crash course on being a patient advocate to her significant other.

My older brother is channeling his inner dopey bastage by counseling we “wait for the doctors to do their job and tell us the facts”

:rolleyes:
damn...sorry to hear that! may she recover asap.
 
OMFG

My life has become an old school country song.

My eldest sister, 70 something, was out walking her dog, blacked out, collapsed, and was taken to the ER.

Fractured her skull, and has bleeding in her brain.

Preliminary reports are that the bleeding is due to her fall and not a stroke.

Giving a crash course on being a patient advocate to her significant other.

My older brother is channeling his inner dopey bastage by counseling we “wait for the doctors to do their job and tell us the facts”

:rolleyes:
She’s in my thoughts so sorry to hear this….

~Dee~
 
OMFG

My life has become an old school country song.

My eldest sister, 70 something, was out walking her dog, blacked out, collapsed, and was taken to the ER.

Fractured her skull, and has bleeding in her brain.

Preliminary reports are that the bleeding is due to her fall and not a stroke.

Giving a crash course on being a patient advocate to her significant other.

My older brother is channeling his inner dopey bastage by counseling we “wait for the doctors to do their job and tell us the facts”

:rolleyes:
So sorry, OPT. Hope she pulls through no worse for the wear.
 
I have no doubt, and kudos for you to do so.

Before I had the "compliments" from so many women regarding how I was actively supporting my wife through her medical issues, I assumed it was the norm. I don't know how to interpret their praise/envy other as an indication that a lot of men don't.

Now, I can accept that other men may simply not be as aggressive as a patient advocate for their wife, but still want to do everything they can to help her. Maybe they don't know how to play the game, are intimidated by the power structure of the medical establishment, etc.

Me? I take no prisoners. Anyone who has read some of my posts knows full well I don't tolerate fools and have no hesitation to take them down verbally.

The sad fact is that between my neurological issues, and my wife's various issues through the years, I've had far too much experience in being a patient advocate.

I keep saying I have to write a book, that would be something between a black comedy and a health care advocate primer, because I've learned a lot of just how stupid some of the shiite that is done, and know that if one stands firm, and knows when to say, "not only no, but fuck no." that you can sometimes bend the bureaucracy to your will.

My biggest fear is that I'd end up being like Ted Williams trying to coach another hitter, asking them "didn't you see the spin on the ball?" cause much of what I've done as an advocate has been due to my ability to read people and know when to push and when not to.

For example, when my wife had an open book pelvic split after getting hit by a car, she spent 3 months with an external fixator, and classified as "non-weight bearing". Most of that time was spent in the orthopedic ward at the hospital, and many of the nurses had vastly more experience than some of the residents who supervised her daily care.

I could tell when the nurse didn't agree with the doctor, but she was not allowed to question him based on the hierarchy of the hospital.

I had no such restriction and would lay into the "junior woodchucks" to explain why they were ordering that bit of care.

This scored big points with the nurses, so when I asked for something for my wife, I usually got an immediate response.

And yes, I did call them junior woodchucks to their face, and yes that was a bit of alpha male posturing to demonstrate I was top dog, and that was the point.

They needed to understand I was the meanest son of a bitch in the valley, and they crossed me at their peril.

I'll admit, it's a fine line, and you have to understand just what issues can't be forced, that the bureaucracy is so entrenched that you cannot win that fight, so don't waste your time, nor you position as top dog on things that you can't win.

Two examples, a few months ago, my wife fell and got a good gash in her scalp. I was upstairs working in my home office when I heard the thump of her fall. I went downstairs to check on her and noticed she was running her hands through her hair. I looked closely and saw blood, there was enough blood in her hair that I couldn't see the wound, so I took her to the bathroom, used the hand held shower nozzle to rinse her hair till I could see the wound. It was a pretty wide gash, and I could tell immediately it would need stiches, staples or something to close it.

So we went to an urgent care place 5 minutes from our house. When we got there, they asked me if I'd seen her fall. I explained, no and described what had happened.

They replied that by protocol, since I hadn't seen her fall, they could not treat her until a CAT scan was done to ensure that she did have any hemorrhaging in her brain.

OK, stop and think for a moment the absurdity of this protocol. Let's assume I did see her fall. That I did see her hit her head and open a gash. Am I fricken Superman with X-ray vision that I can tell if that fall resulted in hemorrhaging in her brain?

Of course not. But this was not a battle I was going to win. Protocol is protocol, so we had a fun filled 6 hour visit to the ER. They took her for the CAT scan within the first hour, but as we continued to sit in the waiting area, I was not a happy camper. I went up to the front desk and asked a pointed question "Please tell me that the reason we are still sitting out here is that because someone has read the CAT scan and my wife doesn't have a hemorrhage, so it's a question of triage delaying her being dealt with, and not that you just haven't gotten around to looking at the CAT scan yet."

I could tell from the look on the nurse's face that I had scored a point for understanding the process, and she let me know that it had been read and my wife was OK.

Now for the second case where I bent the system to my needs.

This was near the end of my wife's open book pelvis split injury.

We were at the orthopedic surgeon's office, adjacent to the hospital, and waiting in one of the exam rooms. I heard a discussion outside about their X-ray machine was down and that everyone would have to be rescheduled.

A few details to clarify the situation. If the X-rays were positive, my wife would no longer be classified as non weight bearing, and could start her PT to get better, not to mention I wouldn't have to get an ambulance to take her to any future DRs appointments. So this was a big day in her treatment.

Second, her orthopedic surgeon was the head of the orthopedic department at this hospital.

So, when one of the junior woodchucks came into the room, I went on the offensive immediately.

He had barely gotten a "Mr OPT" out of his mouth before I started into him.

"I know your X-ray machine is broken. I don't care if you don't get the revenue from this X-ray, We both know that depending on the outcome of this X-ray, my wife would no longer be classified as non weight bearing, and that's a huge step in her recovery. Now before you open your mouth to respond, you've got two choices. One option is that you think of a good reason as to why the head of orthopedic surgery doesn't have access to one of the plethora of x-ray machines in this hospital. The second option, and trust me it's the better option, is that you go figure out just how we're going to get this X-ray done today."

He didn't say a word, just left the room, and wouldn't you know it? A few minutes later, we were being taken over to the hospital for the X-ray.
Bravo, btw.
 
Will be in Maine tomorrow and through the weekend, hoping to get a POA accomplished before we leave town so I can help make some decisions when my mom is unable to doesn't want to make them. It's been a roller coaster ride the last 2 months and I'm hoping to get things settled down while I'm there.
 
Will be in Maine tomorrow and through the weekend, hoping to get a POA accomplished before we leave town so I can help make some decisions when my mom is unable to doesn't want to make them. It's been a roller coaster ride the last 2 months and I'm hoping to get things settled down while I'm there.
good idea. the more that's squared away now the better. if i may suggest trying to approach her about opening a joint bank account? that makes things a ton easier.
 
good idea. the more that's squared away now the better. if i may suggest trying to approach her about opening a joint bank account? that makes things a ton easier.
That's something else we are going to remedy, my brother is already on her account but we are going to put my name on there as well in case something happens down the road. Good advice HS!
 
That's something else we are going to remedy, my brother is already on her account but we are going to put my name on there as well in case something happens down the road. Good advice HS!
perfect,trying to get access later and with a p.o.a. is an absolute BITCH at a lot of f.i.s. especially chase bank.
i naively thought they'd all just accept a valid p.o.a. but they usually want their own...that the same person who granted you the one you have has to sign... only by the time you really need the p.o.a. they may not be able to sign it.🙄
 
Oh fuck, where to start.

This past Spring, the neurology team for my wife's Parkinson's changed and they ordered MRI's.

Turns out she had four small strokes sometimes since 2017 (her last brain MRI).

This is on top of her chronic dislocated shoulder, that had her pain up to a constant 8.

Saw an orthopedic guy who said there weren't many good surgical options, so he referred us to Pain Management people, who did two nerve blocks, which seemed to have helped, bringing the pain down to a steady 2, but ramping up to a 5 or 6 if she moves the shoulder the wrong way.

Anyway, the follow up for the stroke diagnosis, included more MRI's and a CAT scan.

The MRI of her abdomen showed cirrhosis of her liver, from when she used to drink a lot in the past. So the liver specialist didn't like the fact that she was taking Celebrex for the pain from her partially slipped disk in her lumbar.

So we talked to her PCP, and he said we should try Tramadol, but warned that it could cause balance issues, not a good thing with someone with Parkinson's. Well a week in she fell and I asked her point blank if her balance was bad, and she said yes, so back onto the Celebrex.

The CAT scan showed blockage in her left carotid artery, and I'm waiting on a conclusion if that will need a splint or not.

WE were sent to a cardiologist, who has her on a heart monitor as I type.

She's due for a colonoscopy, and she's at high risk since her dad died of colon cancer.

We had a pre-procedure meeting, and I expressed my concern about the prep, since I was worried she would fall trying to get to the bathroom. They had a good answer. De to her multiple health issues, they would want to do the procedure at a hospital anyway, so they could get her a 23 hour "not really an admittance, admittance." so the staff could help her during the prep. + one for the team.

They said they don't want to do that with the heart monitor in place, so that won't happen till September.

Then, the icing on the fucking cake.

My mom turned 99 in January, and has shown cognitive decline for the past year +. Cognitive heart failure, meant her brains wasn't getting enough O2.

We put her in assisted living last December, and in the Spring into the "Memory Unit".

I'm the only sibling local, so I had point on dealing with this. My sisters did as much as they could remotely, but well...



We knew it was a question of time, and that time came last Thursday.

Yesterday, I went to the facility to gather up her personal belongings we wanted to keep. The staff was helpful, and I'm glad my mom spent her last days in a place that genuinely cared for her, not like some of the horror stories one hears about such facilities.

In fact, when I explained why I wanted to take my mom's wheelchair, in case my wife ever needed one, one of the staff took me aside, gave me her card and explained she was also invovled in Parkinson's care, and if I ever needed any help, to give her a call.

Right now, I don't know what to think, other than to seriously look into that shoulder reduction surgery, since the powers that be clearly think mine are way to fucking big.

Here endeth the rant.

I haven't been on much (at all) lately for a variety of reasons so I had not seen this. When it rains it pours, OPT. And by the way, that wasn't a rant at all. That was a recent timeline of a good son and husband.

That said, I am so glad you had your mom for so long!

I will pray for your wife. Having great people around us makes things easier. I am certain your wife appreciates what you do. God bless you both.
 
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